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Reid barracked during speech to Muslim parents

David Batty and agencies
Wednesday September 20, 2006
Guardian Unlimited
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Abu Izzadeen interrupts the speech of the home secretary, John Reid, as the latter was urging Muslim parents to look out for the "tell-tale signs" of brainwashing in their children. Photograph: Johnny Green/PA

The home secretary, John Reid, was today heckled by protesters as he made a speech in east London urging Muslim parents to monitor their children.
The first interruption came from Abu Izadeen, who shouted that Muslims were being subjected to "state terrorism by the British police".

His intervention came as Mr Reid asked Muslim parents to keep a close watch on their children to prevent them from being radicalised by Islamist extremists.

Mr Izadeen, who accused the home secretary of being an "enemy" of Islam, is said to be a former member of the banned Islamist group al-Ghurabaa, a successor organization to Omar Bakri Mohammed's al-Muhajiroun group. He denies membership of the group. He was led from the building by police and stewards.

Also known as Omar Brooks, Mr Izadeen is a Muslim convert from east London. He told the meeting he was "absolutely furious" and asked how Mr Reid could "dare" come to a Muslim area after so many Muslims - "over a thousand" - had been arrested.
"John Reid, Tony Blair and George Bush's crusade can all go to hell," he shouted. "You are an enemy of Islam and Muslims. Shame on all of us for sitting down and listening to him.

"They are going to come in the morning to your house ... they are going to kick your door down when you're in bed with your wife, then drag you from your own bed."

In response, Mr Reid said: "I was making the very simple point that however sensitive these issues are, we must never allow ourselves to be intimidated or shouted down."

Al-Ghurabaa took credit for organising flag-burning protests outside the Danish embassy in London following worldwide Muslim fury over cartoons of Muhammad.

The group makes no secret of its admiration for Osama bin Laden, and its website espouses the killing of any who insult Muhammad.

Mr Reid continued his speech, saying terrorists were waging a "violent and indiscriminate war". He warned that communities needed to be more aware of signs of terrorist activity.

A second protester interrupted the home secretary a few minutes later. He held up placards saying "John Reid Go To Hell" and shouted: "Enemy of Islam and the Muslims."

The man was ejected a few minutes later and emerged from the venue holding several signs, one of which said: "John Reid, you will pay!"

Mr Reid told the audience in Leytonstone to be vigilant in looking for the "telltale signs" of brainwashing in their children.

The home secretary denied that efforts to tackle Islamist terrorism amounted to a war against Islam.

He said the battle against extremism was not a conflict of religion but one between terrorists and most modern civilised societies, adding that many Muslims had been victims of terrorism.

Mr Reid told the audience that terrorist fanatics were on the hunt for vulnerable young people to recruit to their cause.

"There is no nice way of saying this," he said. "These fanatics are looking to groom and brainwash children, including your children, for suicide bombings. Grooming them to kill themselves in order to murder others.

"Look for the telltale signs now and talk to them before their hatred grows and you risk losing them forever. In protecting our families, we are protecting our community."

Relations between the government and parts of Muslim communities have been strained in recent years by the unpopular invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the July 7 London bombings.

The London attacks, in which 52 commuters were killed, heightened concerns about radicalisation among Britain's 1.6 million Muslims.

Many Muslims feel they are unfairly targets of suspicion and are bearing the brunt of the government's tough new anti-terror measures.

Several high-profile anti-terror operations - particularly a June raid on a house in east London in which a man was shot and wounded - have increased tensions. The man and his brother were later released without charge.

Seventeen British Muslims arrested last month have been charged in connection with an alleged plot to blow up transatlantic jets in mid-air.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs...1876868,00.html
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Most extremists hecklers can be safely ignored as not being representative of those they claim to speak for. Going by the shock + pain suffered by the parents of 7/7 bombers + others who were later proven guilty of participating in terrorists attacks against innocent civilians, I agree that parents should be encouraged to become more aware of what their sons + their friends might become involved in.

However, its also the responsibility of John Reid's fellow ministers not to expose our country to external dangers by siding with Washington + Israel in its racists/expansionist policies which is at the root of / or perhaps used as an excuse by religious extremists/fanatics.

I doubt whether the extremists represents the bulk of Muslims in Britain , or anywhere else for that matter. smiley17.gif

However, one should also consider whether political extremists (closet fundamentalist Christians like Bush/Blair) do no also share blame. They're certainly not entirely innocent of the mess we're in. icon_wink.gif
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QUOTE(AssyrianKing19 @ 09/20/06 06:49 AM) [snapback]92715[/snapback]

I dont see how that is shocking-Look England is a great country not to mention that dudes homeland-He doesnt want another bomb going off just because a couple of dirty muslims want to show much they love there F**k up religon icon_mad.gif



As I've tried to convey, this guy really cant be accepted as a representative of the average muslim in Britain. I've found most I've personaaly met to be hard working , and law abiding.

check this :

"Abu Izzadeen, formerly known as Trevor Brooks, was born in Hackney, East London, in 1976 to a family originally from Jamaica. He is the new gay leader of the islamist group Al Ghurabaa (the strangers), is a fluent Arabic speaker and a communication engineer by training. Abu Izzadeen converted to Islam at the age of 17 shortly after coming out.

After becoming a Muslim, Brooks changed his name to Omar but preferred to be known as Abu Izzadeen (commonly used term meaning Father of...). Influenced by his brother Abu Abdul Rahman, also a convert to Islam, the Islamic leader is married to an Arab woman with whom he has three children. He told Asharq al Awsat that 1994, the year he embraced Islam, was a watershed. He continues to regret the 17 years he spent prior to his conversion, and he added. “I still vividly remember the day I pronounced the Shahadah, in my father’s house. It was a day before I turned 18, on 17 April 1994.” -- wikipedia

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Why are some converts so troublesome ? icon_rolleyes.gif

They reinforce my sceptisms and a good enough reason for me to remain an Agnostic. smiley18.gif
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QUOTE(AssyrianKing19 @ 09/20/06 07:33 AM) [snapback]92731[/snapback]

Islam is evil-If you follow it then your a duma**-Jihadist f**kers-So many Assyrians and Armenias have died at the hand of those dirty muslim f**ks-I dont have to hope you go to hell because you being a muslim insures it!


Do you think you can define what else you think is 'evil' ?????

Where does 'evil' originate from ?

If your God is responsible for ALL CREATION THEN WHY did he/it/she create/tolerate that which you call 'evil' ???

Is maliscious bad mouthing not also some sort of 'evil' ?

It would'nt surprise me a bit to later learn that some Nazis considered and called those who opposed their evil deeds as 'Evil' icon_rolleyes.gif
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Most extremists hecklers can be safely ignored as not being representative of those they claim to speak for. Going by the shock + pain suffered by the parents of 7/7 bombers + others who were later proven guilty of participating in terrorists attacks against innocent civilians, I agree that parents should be encouraged to become more aware of what their sons + their friends might become involved in. However, its also the responsibility of John Reid's fellow ministers not to expose our country to external dangers by siding with Washington + Israel in its racists/expansionist policies which is at the root of / or perhaps used as an excuse by religious extremists/fanatics. I doubt whether the extremists represents the bulk of Muslims in Britain , or anywhere else for that matter. However, one should also consider whether political extremists (closet fundamentalist Christians like Bush/Blair) do no also share blame. They're certainly not entirely innocent of the mess we're in. icon_wink.gif


Maako ...I agree with John Reid ,Trevor Philips and Tariq Ghaffur about the danger posed by these Muslims

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Assistant Met Commissioner Tariq Ghaffur, Britain’s most prominent Muslim policeman, said: “The poll shows that we do have a minority of people within our community who do effectively pose a danger.


according to Populus survey for The Times and ITV News below 10% of British Muslims believe the British Muslim terrorists who murdered Londoners on 7/7 are shaheeda! That's 150 000 Br.Muslims (10%) who are potentially dangerous.That's a lot of people.

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By Alexandra Frean and Rajeev Syal
July 04, 2006
The Times

A SIGNIFICANT minority of British Muslims believe they are at war with the rest of society, the largest poll of Muslims in this country suggests.

The Populus survey for The Times and ITV News has found that more than one in ten thinks that the men who carried out the London bombings of 7/7 should be regarded as “martyrs”. Sixteen per cent of British Muslims, equivalent to more than 150,000 adults, believe that while the attacks were wrong, the cause was right.

But the poll also revealed a stark gulf between this group and the majority of British Muslims, who want the Government to take tougher measures against extremists within their community.

More than half (56 per cent) believe that the Government has failed to combat extremism, a higher proportion than the 49 per cent of the general population who agree.

Nearly half (49 per cent) of Britain’s 1.6 million Muslims also think it acceptable for the authorities to monitor what is being preached in mosques more closely.

Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was as if some groups were living in a different country.“These results show that there are people within the Muslim communities who are so far away from the mainstream of society, as well as the mainstream of British Muslims, that they think that they are at war with the rest of the community. Thankfully, we know that a vast majority of Muslims are not in that place,” he said.

Assistant Met Commissioner Tariq Ghaffur, Britain’s most prominent Muslim policeman, said: “The poll shows that we do have a minority of people within our community who do effectively pose a danger.

“The tipping point between someone feeling anger and alienation and then engaging in the kind of atrocities we saw last July or being exploited by somebody who wants to commit a terrible act is very, very small.”

Populus interviewed 1,131 Muslim adults aged 18+ by telephone and online between June 1-16 for the poll.

It found that half of Muslims believe that Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war was the principal reason for the London bombings. An equal number (49 per cent) believe that further suicide bombings in the UK are likely.

Among the population as a whole nearly four in five (78 per cent) think a further attack is likely.

Four out of five British Muslims (79 per cent) believe that their community has experience increased hostility since last July’s bombings and three quarters (74 per cent) say that Muslims are viewed with suspicion by fellow citizens.

More than nine out of ten Muslims (92 per cent) say their community makes a valuable contribution to British society.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22...2254764,00.html


74 per cent of Br.Muslims say that they are viewed with suspicion by fellow British citizens.I wonder why? icon_lol.gif

In comparison,probably most of the British Hindu community are quite happy living in Britain. And recently some our Hindu brothers even joined their Jewish brothers at a Manchester rally for Israel. icon_lol.gif

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maako: "However, its also the responsibility of John Reid's fellow ministers not to expose our country to external dangers by siding with Washington + Israel in its racists/expansionist policies which is at the root of / or perhaps used as an excuse by religious extremists/fanatics."

then let the british foreign office consult with the islamic extremists/fanatics so that no offending foreign policy is enacted thereby forestalling maako's "root causes of / or perhaps used as an excuse by religious extremists/fanatics". in effect maako would have no action taken that would upset the sensibilities of the religious extremist/fanatics. now that is a way to run foreign policy. brilliantly put maako.

more maako macabre machinations:

remarkable how maako tries to alloy israel and racism with 20% of an ever increasing population of israel being arab and arablands being essentially judenrein; and with the frequency of church burning and christian population decreases also free of their presence.

how many nuns and church burnings will it take to reach the threshold of a maako's conscience!?






i thought this taheri article important at this point vis a vis maako's determination that the british government's has too close of an identity with washington and israel:

This item is available on the Benador Associates website, at http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19944

ARE BRITISH MUSLIMS REALLY ANGRY?
by Amir Taheri
Asharq Alawsat
September 8, 2006

There is a new game in British politics.

Called "Muslims Are Angry", this new game is designed to force Prime Minister Tony Blair out of office.

The game starts with the assertion that "the British Muslim community" is "seething with anger" against Blair, because of his foreign policy. It then proceeds to assert that it was Muslim anger that caused the terrorist attacks in London last year and the dozen or so plots nipped in the bud since. The game concludes with the claim that unless Britain reshapes its foreign policy, no one in the United Kingdom would be safe from terrorism by "Angry Muslims."

Many Britons who otherwise look sane and sober play the sinister game without questioning its premise.

Is there any evidence that all, or even a substantial number, of the estimated 1.8 million Muslims in Britain are "angry" with Blair because of his foreign policy?

Can all Muslims in Britain be bracketed into a single "community" ?

Supposing there is a single" Muslim community", should we assume that a handful of terrorists speak on its behalf? Isn't that an insult to British Muslims?

Supposing that a handful of terrorists do speak for all Muslims in Britain, how would one explain terrorist attacks in Spain, where the Socialist Prime Minister wears the Palestinian scarf, in Germany that has stayed out of the Iraq war, and in Turkey that is, after all, a Muslim state governed by an Islamist party?

Today no fewer than 46 of the 57 Muslim majority countries face the same kind of terrorism that Britain is facing. Is that also the fault of Tony Blair?

Since we are in a game of suppositions, let us suppose that Blair is gone and a new government is formed to carry out the kind of foreign policy that would make " angry Muslims" chirp with joy.

What are the changes that Britain would have to make to be safe from Islamist terrorism?

The question is never posed either by the self-styled "Muslim leaders" in Britain, who do not, in fact, represent anyone except their small coteries, or by Blair's non-Muslim enemies who dislike him for reasons that have nothing to do with Islam.

Should Britain abandon its support for the Kyoto accords and the International Criminal Court? Should it cancel its aid and debt cancellation packages for the poorest nations, especially many Muslim ones in Africa? Or, should it abandon its leadership position in global negotiations over fair trade? Is Britain wrong to underwrite the end of the 20-year long war in Uganda?

Even Blair's the most ardent enemies might find it hard to say yes to those questions.

Now, let us come to issues that might be of more immediate interest to Muslims, including those in Britain.

Was Blair wrong to allow the number of Muslims coming to UK for higher education to almost double since 1997?

Was Britain wrong in using force to reinstate the elected Muslim President of Sierra Leone, after he was toppled by his mainly Christian enemies?

Perhaps Britain was wrong in sending troops to Bosnia-Herzegovina to protect its Muslim population from being massacred by Serbs and Croats?

Should Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadzic return form their hideouts and start massacring Muslims again?

What about Kosovo?

Was Britain wrong to send troops to prevent genocide against Albanian Muslims? Should we bring Slobodan Milosevic back from the dead and let him continue his massacre of Muslims?

May be Blair is wrong to press for 20,000 UN troops to be sent to Darfur to stop the genocide there.

Was Blair wrong to help several Muslim states become members of the World Trade Organisation, often in the face of reticence from the United Sates and the European Union?

Should we blame Blair for having encouraged the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) to admit eight Muslim states in a special partnership?

Should we blame Blair and kill people in the London underground because British troops continue to prevent a Muslim-Christian civil war in Cyprus?

Was Blair wrong in joining the campaign that ended the murderous rule of the Taleban in Afghanistan and allowed the Afghan people a chance to build a government of their choice? Should we reinstate Mullah Omar in Kabul to make Blair's Muslim and non-Muslim critics happy?

Aha, may be Britain deserves blame and Britons deserve being murdered because Blair succeeded in persuading the Bush administration in Washington to commit itself to the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel- something that no previous US administration had done.

Finally, we have the supposed anger over Iraq.

Was Britain wrong to help save the people of Iraq from the most murderous regime in recent Arab history? Should we reinstate Saddam Hussein and his cousin "Chemical Ali", and let them resume gassing the Kurds and massacring any Iraqi Arab who disagreed with them?

Because they dare not face such questions, Blair's critics, most of whom don't care two hoots about Islam, often come up with a broader claim: Blair has been too close to George W Bush.

But has he?

On the two dozen key issues of importance in the international arena, Britain is, in fact, at odds with the Bush administration over more than half.

The only times that Blair has sided with Bush have been when there was a choice between the United States, as a democratic ally, and a criminal regime that acted as the enemy not only of its own people but of humanity as a whole.

Between Milosevic and he US, Blair chose the US. Between Mullah Omar and the US, Blair chose the US. Between Osama bin Laden and the US, Blair chose the US. Between Saddam Hussein and the US, Blair chose the US. Between Abu-Mussab al-Zarqawi and the US, Blair chose the US.

Now those who hate Blair for reasons known to themselves should have the guts to say clearly that those choices were wrong, and that they would have sided with those whom Blair regarded as enemies. After all what is politics about if not a choice between friend and enemy?

Is there any evidence that British Muslims regard Mullah Omar, bin Laden, and Zarqawi, not to mention Milsoevic and Mladich, as their heroes?

The truth is that in the past decade or so Britain has emerged as the one non-Muslim nation with the closest ties to the Muslim world.

It is the number-one trading partner of most Muslim nations.

It is the number one destination for Muslims seeking further education outside their homelands, and attracts the largest number of Muslim visitors to the West.

Britain also attracts more than half of all investments that Muslims make outside t Islamic countries. Proportionate to its Muslim population, Britain has twice as many mosques as the Islamic Republic of Iran. Britain is one of a handful of countries where all Muslim sects( mazahib) are fully free to practice their faith, run their schools, develop their culture, operate their media, and propagate their ideas.

Far from being angry with Blair and his foreign policy, Muslims, especially those in Britain, have reason to be grateful to a government that has had the courage of its convictions.

None of the terrorists involved in last year's atrocity or this year's plots had the remotest link with Afghanistan or Iraq, not to mention Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Sierra Leone and Cyprus, that is to say Muslim countries where Britain has intervened militarily. They had no right to speak for those nations.

Similarly, Blair's critics, most of who are atheists, have no mandate to speak on behalf of Muslims in Britain. They have, of course, every right to oppose Blair's foreign policy. But they should say why they do so and what they would do instead. The threat of terrorism is no argument for change; it is a call to surrender.


This item is available on the Benador Associates website, at http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19944


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Basically many Muslims in Britain are failures in their own lives and need someone to blame.Nothing new,it's a common symptom amongst Muslims.Hindus in Britain are a success in bussiness and cultural life and are happy happy

The Muslims have a criminal element much higher than the demographics.London's HMP Brixton prison has 25% Muslim inmates alone.In fact JAIL bosses are rebuilding toilets so Muslim inmates don’t have to use them while facing Mecca.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006180300,00.html
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QUOTE(Sachin @ 09/21/06 11:25 AM) [snapback]92840[/snapback]

Basically many Muslims in Britain are failures in their own lives and need someone to blame.Nothing new,it's a common symptom amongst Muslims.Hindus in Britain are a success in bussiness and cultural life and are happy happy

The Muslims have a criminal element much higher than the demographics.London's HMP Brixton prison has 25% Muslim inmates alone.In fact JAIL bosses are rebuilding toilets so Muslim inmates don’t have to use them while facing Mecca.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006180300,00.html



Police raids against Tamil crime


Police say a minority are intimidating the community
Thirteen men have been arrested in a series of early morning raids which aim to clampdown on crime within London's Tamil community.
The Sri Lankan men, all aged 18 to 25, were arrested on suspicion of crimes including theft, fraud and money laundering, as part of Operation Enver.

Around 250 police raided 22 address and seized items including swords, axes, credit cards and a credit card reader.

The raids took place in Brent, Harrow, Redbridge, Croydon and Newham.

Commander Alfred Hitchcock blamed a minority of people within the 110,000-strong community for violence and intimidation.

Profits from crime

He said: "The majority of the Sri Lankan community are very law abiding, but there are small groups of people taking advantage, intimidating them and committing these offences.

"We have been looking at the criminality and violence within the Tamil community, we have made inroads with these arrests, but it is not the end of the process."

Five of the men were arrested at one address on suspicion of theft.

At a second address five more were arrested - two on suspicion of money laundering and three on suspected theft and fraud charges.

Two more men were being held over a suspected drug deal and another man was arrested on a warrant from Northampton.

Commander Hitchcock would not rule out the use of profits from crimes being used to fund the rebel Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, as well as for personal gain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...don/3877751.stm


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Nishtikeit groans :

[quote]in effect maako would have no action taken that would upset the sensibilities of the religious extremist/fanatics. now that is a way to run foreign policy. brilliantly put maako.

more maako macabre machinations:

remarkable how maako tries to alloy israel and racism with 20% of an ever increasing population of israel being arab and arablands being essentially judenrein; and with the frequency of church burning and christian population decreases also free of their presence.

how many nuns and church burnings will it take to reach the threshold of a maako's conscience!?



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It appears that there's far too much [b] maako
in your posts and that you've failed addressing the subject under discussion. Five MAAKOS in four sentences, icon_rolleyes.gif
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maako:
nobody brings up maako's nothing answers to issues of ethnic cleansing by Arabs of Jews and Christians in the middle east and all maako can see is himself.
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Al:

Once again, Al mischaracterises others instead of addressing the issue. If Sachin is wrong in his assertion it should be fairly easy to determine the crime rate among various religious groups, ie Muslims vs Hindu.

There is crime within every ethnicity, and Tamils, while mostly Hindu, are also Islamic and Christian. So your slur missed the mark as usual, Al. I believe that Sachin is probably correct when he says:

"The Muslims have a criminal element much higher than the demographics.London's HMP Brixton prison has 25% Muslim inmates alone.In fact JAIL bosses are rebuilding toilets so Muslim inmates don’t have to use them while facing Mecca."

If he's wrong, you certainly haven't shown it!
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QUOTE(concheet @ 09/21/06 08:50 AM) [snapback]92872[/snapback]

nobody brings up maako's nothing answers to issues of ethnic cleansing by Arabs of Jews and Christians in the middle east and all maako can see is himself.


correction , all you see is Maako, + sadly fail to address the subject under discussion.

This thread is not abt the ethnic/ tribal/religionists population shifts .

BTW - according to written records , wasnt it the Hebrew tribes who in the first instance started the trend of "ethnic cleaning"/genocide " in that area of the world. ?


IMO You guys cant claim the moral high ground when there's so much worst in yr history. icon_wink.gif
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Sachin , says : " Maako ...I agree with John Reid ,Trevor Philips and Tariq Ghaffur about the danger posed by these Muslims"





I too dagree with some aspects of Reid/Philips/Ghaffur's views, however I do NOT agree with your blanket generalizations of muslims. Even if one is to accept the exaggerated /dubious/unsudstantiated claims by Murdochs/News International organs The Sun + The Times, that 10% british muslims
view the 7/7 bmbers as 'shaheeds', doesnt mean that 10% muslims will go blowing themselves up on trains , anymore than whatever percentage of Irish Catholics may or may not have sympathized with the IRA during their bombing spree for 30 years, may I add with substantial American financial support. Would it have been acceptable for us to regard those American IRA sympathizers + Catholics are as you say - "potentially dangerous " ???
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QUOTE(AssyrianKing19 @ 09/21/06 09:31 AM) [snapback]92888[/snapback]

Evil is from Muhamid(or as i like to call him the devil's a**hole)-Your retardo religon has set the middle east back 1000s of year-nice going s**t eaters-Look at history books-Assyrians try to improve life in the middle east-All you a**clowns do is blown stuff up-Face it you suck-Christans rule-If I knew where Muhamid's grave is I would take a piss on it-B***H


If there was less **** and **** in yr post , one might make an effort in trying to understand what it is you're trying to say. icon_rolleyes.gif

If you google you'll might discover that Muhamed was buried in Medina , but before you get there the chances are that
some dog might be 'watering' your grave..' Unless you think that you wont also die . ' hAHAHAHA.
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Sachin , says : " Maako ...I agree with John Reid ,Trevor Philips and Tariq Ghaffur about the danger posed by these Muslims"


I too dagree with some aspects of Reid/Philips/Ghaffur's views, however I do NOT agree with your blanket generalizations of muslims. Even if one is to accept the exaggerated /dubious/unsudstantiated claims by Murdochs/News International organs The Sun + The Times, that 10% british muslims
view the 7/7 bmbers as 'shaheeds', doesnt mean that 10% muslims will go blowing themselves up on trains


No,it was an opinion poll done by Populus survey - Populus is a member of the British Polling Council .
What is shows is 10% or 9% of British Muslims are ""hardcore Islamists" viewing the 7/7 bmbers as 'shaheeds' which would mean that those approx 150 000 Muslims would be more likely to give comfort and infrastructure to any future Muslim terrorists planning an attack in Britain.
A dangerous situation.

Here is another by NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV

NRO: Survey Shows Many Are More Loyal To Fellow Muslims Outside U.K
Aug. 14, 2006
The recent homegrown plot in Britain to blow up transatlantic flights will intensify the fear that the country's 1.6 million Muslims are rejecting political tolerance and free speech for a violent, radicalized version of Islam. There is a real concern that British Muslims do pose a threat to that country and its traditional values. So how prevalent are such radical views among British Muslims?

Some answers are provided by the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. The results from NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV on August 7, are startling.Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year's 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."

Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. This comports with last year's Daily Telegraph newspaper survey that found one-third of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it.

The news is no less alarming on the question of freedom of speech. Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.

Also concerning freedom of speech, as the NOP Research survey reports, "hardcore Islamists" constitute nine percent of the British Muslim population. A slightly more moderate group is composed of "staunch defenders of Islam." This second group comprises 29 percent of the British Muslim population. Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined.

The scary reality is that only three percent of British Muslims "took a consistently pro-freedom of speech line on these questions." The Muslim threat to British security is so severe that the assistant London police commissioner, Tarique Ghaffur, has called for an inquiry into the radicalization of young Muslims. Ghaffur sadly describes "a generation of angry young people vulnerable to exploitation."

Before the London bombings, British intelligence services estimated that one percent of British Muslims either support or are involved in terrorism. While this is mainly a peaceful and productive immigrant population, a significant number are prepared to act against their own country.

The British government believes that, in recent years, 3,000 British Muslims have returned home from al Qaeda training camps. Intelligence experts estimate that 1,200 Muslim radicals (80 percent of Pa........ni origin) are currently pursuing a terrorist rather than a democratic option to vent their disgust at Tony Blair's support for America's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and opposition to Hezbollah.

This terrorist weed that is choking the U.K. is especially hard to eradicate because it is growing in British soil. America's fastest-growing religion is Islam, but here in the States the numbers are not a security concern, as a commitment to Islam has not overwhelmed a strong attachment to America itself — another victory for the cultural melting pot.

By contrast, the U.K. embraced taxpayer-subsidized multiculturalism and has paid a very dear price, indeed. The result — cultural apartheid — has encouraged a significant number of Muslims to exhibit more loyalty to fellow Muslims outside of the U.K. than to their fellow Britons.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/...in1893879.shtml

Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law.Wow!
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Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law.Wow!


At least 30% of Americans would like to see America be a Christian fundamentalist state.....also a preference.



I guess your point is that your somehow marketing Indian Hindus by bashing Muslims...lool.....of yourse Hindus are the biggest assskissing peoples anywhere so they have no problem with anything. No opinions, no self-respect....just 'Yes Sir' and 'No Sir'....I dont think you've actually ever crawled out of British occupation as your own national languages are falling out of use and the most widely spoken language in India is English...loooool....pathetic.
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The difference is that British Hindus are succcessful and happy in multi-cultural Britain whilst many British Muslims are failures in their own lives,,living off the dole and forever moaning and groaning,,whilst at least 150 000 Muslims could pose a serious danger to national security by giving accomadation and logistics to these 1,200 Muslim core-terrorists in Britain. Interesting that the ABC article also indentifies the ethnic background of the 1,200 Muslim core-terrorists

Maybe instead of Armitage justing warning ISI chief,,Bush should have just carpet bombed that racist Muslim state after 9/11 and then dismantled it
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Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law.Wow!



Considering that Sharia would only apply to matters concerning muslim families, not applicable to non-muslims , I dont see any reason for you + I to object to it, anymore than Judaic laws /Rabbinical court rulings , applies to those British Jews who choose to accept it.

Your statement that "approx 150 000 Muslims would be more likely to give comfort and infrastructure to any future Muslim terrorists " is quite ridiculous , lacking hard facts and not worth further discussion. icon_rolleyes.gif


If as you say British Hindus are succcessful and happy in multi-cultural Britain , its that they appreciate the fact that life is much better in Britain than in post-British rule - India. icon_wink.gif

They've obviously come to realize that us Brits are not as bad as India's current rulers, otherwise why should they PREFER + freely choose to live in Britain instead of their so-called "Liberated/democratic - Mother India " ?????? icon_mrgreen.gif

Why is it that since INdia's "independence " more Indians have sought to leave India and sought to settle in the home of the 'Raj' - the so-called " Imperialist British." ? HAHAHA ....

BTW - I'm pleased that those Indians whether muslim or Hindu are happier in Britain than they were in the lands of their origins. (wink)
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The difference is that British Hindus are succcessful and happy in multi-cultural Britain whilst many British Muslims are failures in their own lives,,living off the dole and forever moaning and groaning,,whilst at least 150 000 Muslims could pose a serious danger to national security by giving accomadation and logistics to these 1,200 Muslim core-terrorists in Britain. Interesting that the ABC article also indentifies the ethnic background of the 1,200 Muslim core-terrorists

Maybe instead of Armitage justing warning ISI chief,,Bush should have just carpet bombed that racist Muslim state after 9/11 and then dismantled it




Man.....I am flattered that your so jealous. icon_cool.gif
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At least 30% of Americans would like to see America be a Christian fundamentalist state.....also a preference.


That's a bald-faced lie/taqqiyah/bullsh!t.
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MEIC EDIT [THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BRITISH MUSLIMS NOT THE MIDDLE EAST OR INDIA, NOW CAN WE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?] EVIN
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