Child Abuse, Kid Prostitution Options

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http://iwpr.gn.apc.org/?s=f&o=160542&a...ate=henicrs2003

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http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/armenia_496.html

And this one is from Unicef...

Many children have fathers who went abroad for work. Thirty of the Republic Special Boarding School's 100 children have mothers who have "gone abroad to work," most often a euphemism for leaving Armenia to work as contract prostitutes in Europe, Asia, or the Middle East (according to a recent report, Armenia has become a "point of origin" for sex workers). A number of the children have suffered abuse, such as being forced into prostitution by family members, or sold. One social worker who asked not to be identified said that she has heard of other children being taken abroad as part of the trafficking of women feeding the burgeoning sex industry, and the Armenian Ministry of the Interior has established an investigation into the trade.

[HayArsen]

In December two sociologists published the results of their one‑year study on child prostitution in Istanbul. They estimated there were 300 to 400 girls under 18 working in the sex trade in the city.

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2004

TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS – In May, police took testimony from a 17-year-old Romanian victim who described a common trafficking scenario. The victim reported that when she was in ninth grade she came in contact with traffickers who promised her a job with good wages in Istanbul as a baby sitter or housekeeper. In October 2003, traffickers brought her to Istanbul by bus with other Romanian girls and put her up in a hotel. Her captors destroyed her passport and other identification documents, gave her false documents, and threatened to kill her if she spoke to police. She was forced to have intercourse with approximately 200 persons over an 8-month period

Turkey is a transit and destination country for women and children trafficked primarily for sexual exploitation. Some men, women, and children are also trafficked for forced labor. There has been increasing evidence of internal trafficking of Turkish citizens for forced labor and sexual exploitation. Most victims come from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, including Moldova, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Romania, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Belarus.




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SO LISTEN UP FAGGOT. BEFORE YOU WRITE POSTS INTENDED TO BASH ARMENIANS REMEMBER THAT U TURDISH FAGGOTS ARE IN WORSE SITUATIONS. AS I AM TYPING THIS A NUMBER OF KURDISH BOYS ARE GETTING RAPED IN A JUVENILE CENTRE, AND UR FATHER IS ###### A FARM ANIMAL, WHILE UR MOM PLEASURES HERSELF TO DOG SEX. SO STOP POSTING ###### THAT IS IRELEVANT TO WHAT THIS FORUM IS ABOUT U LITTLE ######FACE

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Hello Hayarsen, thank you for your contribution to the topic, in your unique way

More than once in this forum people commented about child abuse in Turkiye, and they were all irelevant to the topic they were posted.

So I decided that it would be much better to have a topic of its own about child abuse and since my ermeni friends here seem to think that ermenistan is clean of such problems I thought I'd give it a search to see how it was in there...

And since you are interested in the situation in Turkiye here are some links...

http://www.asiansexgazette.com/asg/central...sia02news35.htm

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/08/turkey-teacher.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/1...porn/index.html

The last link from CNN relates to an operation that included over 130 points and more than a few nations police forces coordinated arrest operations.

Turkish police is working with FBI, MI6 and Interpol, what is ermeni thugs doing about it ?

[Urartu]

Through the development of such approaches, technical support will be provided to the local authorities and the program presented to the wider NGO community. Draft regulations on child abuse and neglect will be submitted to Parliament and new ethical and professional guidelines for police and health care providers introduced. The proposed legislation also calls for the protection of the rights of child witnesses and victims of crime.

UNICEF has already supported the creation and development of various initiatives that will be crucial in any program to address the problem. In 2002, UNICEF funded the establishment of a Community-based Care Center for Children at Risk in Gyumri and last year, the development of Outreach Services at the Fund for Armenian Relief’s Children’s Reception & Orientation Center in Yerevan.

UNICEF also supported the Douleurs Sans Frontiers (DSF) International NGO in training health professionals working in the primary health care system in Yerevan and Gyumri to identify cases of child abuse and neglect.




http://www.unicef.org/armenia/reallives_2352.html

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That's what UNICEF is for, to help nations with problems about kids. So is that a confirmation to the topic ?

[Urartu]

That's what UNICEF is for, to help nations with problems about kids. So is that a confirmation to the topic ?

Yup, It's help isn't it??

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Sort of help yes, but definatly not enough. But the main reason I started this topic was to make you guys talk about it.

I know the situation in my nation, and what is being done about it, but according to the links I posted it is a taboo to even mention such stuff. I think it is about time to realise that things change.

There are drug and alcohol addicts, child abusers, extremely high abortion rates, drug and human trafficing from and to ermenistan.

First step to solve a problem is to admit that there is one, right?

[Urartu]

I never denied that there is all of that happening in Armenia. The reason we all mentioned the problems in your nation is because you CLEARLY made this topic to bash Armenians. You’re not concerned about these issues,and everyone here (including yourself) knows that.

And If you really do care then donate money to help abused children in Armenia.

And if you aren’t willing to then shut up and don’t post any more topics that bash Armenians.

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I never denied that there is all of that happening in Armenia. The reason we all mentioned the problems in your nation is because you CLEARLY made this topic to bash Armenians. You’re not concerned about these issues,and everyone here (including yourself) knows that.

And If you really do care then donate money to help abused children in Armenia.

And if you aren’t willing to then shut up and don’t post any more topics that bash Armenians.

Oh but my dear Urartu I never start a topic to bash anoyone. Just read my older posts and see yourself. I post good things about ermeni and bad things about ermeni.

Also read my signature quote from Einstein and try to understand me a bit more.

Also there is this funny reflex ermeni debaters all around the world has, anything bad about ermenistan must be to bash ermeni, which reminds me such reflexes that fachist have.


Oh and don't tell me to do anything, actually you can't tell anything to anyone you know, this is a free world. And I have ermeni employees.....

[HayArsen]

Arrow keep in mind that its not "ermeni", its "Armenian". Can your TURDISH head understand that?

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Arrow keep in mind that its not "ermeni", its "Armenian". Can your TURDISH head understand that?

HayArsen, keep in mind that I started using ermeni / ermenistan after Hosank used it while he was asking a question to Davit.... Oh I get it maybe they are TURDISH too eh

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child abuse exists everywhere in all countries

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child abuse exists everywhere in all countries

Sad but true.

[Urartu]

Oh but my dear Urartu I never start a topic to bash anoyone. Just read my older posts and see yourself. I post good things about ermeni and bad things about ermeni.

Most likely the good things you posted were to lead up to the bad ones. And you most likely saw this coming. How we would accuse you of bashing Armenians and then you good bring up the good posts. Smart move, but in-case you don’t remember Armenians didn’t survive 4 thousand years because we are stupid….

Oh and don't tell me to do anything, actually you can't tell anything to anyone you know, this is a free world. And I have ermeni employees.....

LOL, yea, “Free world”. Would you mind demonstrating how this “Free world” works by running into the Streets of Istanbul and yelling “Turkey sucks” or ‘Ataturk sucks”?

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Most likely the good things you posted were to lead up to the bad ones. And you most likely saw this coming. How we would accuse you of bashing Armenians and then you good bring up the good posts. Smart move, but in-case you don’t remember Armenians didn’t survive 4 thousand years because we are stupid….
LOL, yea, “Free world”. Would you mind demonstrating how this “Free world” works by running into the Streets of Istanbul and yelling “Turkey sucks” or ‘Ataturk sucks”?

Urartu, before you go amok on me, you need to read my posts better. Quote me saying a bad thing to ermeni people in general, any racist remark and I will apoligise. But I will demand your apoligy if you can't prove this accusation of yours.

And about free world ; Go tell that there was no genocide in Swiss or ermenistan and lets see how free you are. At least we are having debates on our media and some universities. True we are having troubles while debating but we are debating after all. How about you ?

Ps: Freedom of speech doesn't include insulting someone or his/her/their values. Those values are protected by laws in a democratic civilised state, don't you agree?

[Yerevan]

Ps: Freedom of speech doesn't include insulting someone or his/her/their values. Those values are protected by laws in a democratic civilised state, don't you agree?

Example: Insulting Turkishness

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Example: Insulting Turkishness

In Turkiye yes, as would possibly insulting ermenistan, genocide, etc in ermenistan.. Or insulting jesus in vatican.

[Yerevan]

In Turkiye yes, as would possibly insulting ermenistan, genocide, etc in ermenistan.. Or insulting jesus in vatican.

First of all it's not ermenistan, it's ARMENIA. And if you are going to say "thats how you turks (gandons) say" then from now on I'll start calling turkey GANDONASTAN because that's what I call your country.

Second of all neither Armenia nor Vatican arrests their countrymen because they dissagree with official government's fairytale stories or talking negative about the "founders of their modern state" if you know what I mean and label that "insulting Armenianess or Vaticaness".

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First of all it's not ermenistan, it's ARMENIA. And if you are going to say "thats how you turks (gandons) say" then from now on I'll start calling turkey GANDONASTAN because that's what I call your country.

Second of all neither Armenia nor Vatican arrests their countrymen because they dissagree with official government's fairytale stories or talking negative about the "founders of their modern state" if you know what I mean and label that "insulting Armenianess or Vaticaness".

call whatever you like, it is ok for me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#France

Restrictions: The law in France as part of “internal security” enactments passed in 2003 makes it an offense to insult the national flag or anthem, with a penalty of a maximum 9,000 euro fine or up to six months' imprisonment. Restrictions on "offending the dignity of the republic," on the other hand, include "insulting" anyone who serves the public (potentially magistrates, police, firefighters, teachers and even bus conductors). The legislation reflects the debate that raged after incidents such as the booing of the “La Marseillaise” at a France vs. Algeria football match in 2002.


Germany :

Further restrictions on freedom of speech in the German Criminal Code Section 90 concerns “Disparagement of the State and its Symbol.” It provides that: “Whoever publicly, in a meeting or through the dissemination of writings (Section 11 subsection (3)): "1. insults or maliciously maligns the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its Lands or its constitutional order; or2. disparages the colors, flag, coat of arms or the anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its Lands, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.”

Just 2 little examples from the states you so much adore. You can not insult a nations value in their state and go clean with it. It is called protection of values by laws.

[Yerevan]

I know you are a little slow, but it's ok. If you would of read more carefully you will hopefully see that I was talking about Armenia and Vatican NOT France and Germany.

[Urartu]

Urartu, before you go amok on me, you need to read my posts better. Quote me saying a bad thing to ermeni people in general, any racist remark and I will apoligise. But I will demand your apoligy if you can't prove this accusation of yours.

I apologize that I didn’t make my post clearer. What I meant was the POSITIVE TOPICS you posted were probably to lead up to the NEGATIVE TOPICS.

And about free world ; Go tell that there was no genocide in Swiss or ermenistan and lets see how free you are. At least we are having debates on our media and some universities.

First of all, It’s is not illegal to deny the Armenian Genocide in Armenia. And yes, it is illegal to deny the Armenian Genocide in Switzerland. That’s true. Because it might offend some Armenians in Switzerland if you deny it. The same way it might offend some Turks in Turkey if you mock Turkey or Ataturk. But you made some pretty good points. How other nations have restrictions on speech. But I was not saying that Turkey was the only state that restricted speech. I was just using at as an example to prove MY POINT. Which was not that Turkey had no freedom of speech. But that this is not a “free world”. And thank you for bringing up France, Germany, and Switzerland’s restrictions on freedom of speech. You really helped me prove my point.

True we are having troubles while debating but we are debating after all. How about you ?

We do debate. You can see a debate of the Armenian genocide on youtube in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Llbdjd2ai4...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix5_YSKKorE...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1iy285TuKc...ted&search=

Ps: Freedom of speech doesn't include insulting someone or his/her/their values. Those values are protected by laws in a democratic civilised state, don't you agree?

Wrong…. Freedom has no restrictions. Don’t be stupid……

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@Yerevan, thank you for your interest in my IQ but it is useless. Now leave Urartu and me alone, we are atleast making some sense.

@Urartu;

I have no prejudice against anyone of Gods creations but I do have a certain dislike to right wingers of all nations. Armenia is one of our neighbours and in the end we will get over our problems and learn to live together. No problem is eternal, this way or that way we will work around our problems.

And Freedom without borders is anarchy, believe me you wouldn't like anarchy as a system.

Can you please tell me the situation in ermenistan ? are you having debates about genocide in ermenistan. I know of people in USA having constatnt debates about everything, even the holocaust. I am not interested in what US ermeni debate about but I'd like to know of the situation in ermenistan.



PS: I am in antalya on vacation. I may repley a little late but I will read your posts. Thnx in advance.

[Yerevan]

@Yerevan, thank you for your interest in my IQ but it is useless. Now leave Urartu and me alone, we are atleast making some sense.

Don't flatter yourself. I can care less about your IQ. Maybe if I was in your country (Gandonastan) you could tell me what to do and what to say but unfortunately for you I'm not so shut your trap go drink your milk and get to bed. You make sense huh? Is that the latest turdish anecdote?

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Don't flatter yourself. I can care less about your IQ. Maybe if I was in your country (Gandonastan) you could tell me what to do and what to say but unfortunately for you I'm not so shut your trap go drink your milk and get to bed. You make sense huh? Is that the latest turdish anecdote?

Do you have anything to add to the topic, you are totally off topic you know. And don't wait for me to come down to your level. Oh and how do you know I like milk:P

[Yerevan]

Your mommy told me.

[Urartu]

Armenia is one of our neighbours and in the end we will get over our problems and learn to live together. No problem is eternal, this way or that way we will work around our problems.

But the problem will be solved in favor of only ONE of our nations. Peace will be short lived.

Can you please tell me the situation in ermenistan ? are you having debates about genocide in ermenistan. I know of people in USA having constatnt debates about everything, even the holocaust. I am not interested in what US ermeni debate about but I'd like to know of the situation in ermenistan.

There is no one who denies the Genocide in Armenia to debate with. All the Deniers are Turks from Turkey and the Turkish Diaspora. And I think everyone is well aware that there are no Turks in Armenia (except maybe several hundred Azerbaijanis).

PS: I am in antalya on vacation. I may repley a little late but I will read your posts. Thnx in advance.

On Vacation in Antalya? Enjoy the wonderful historic sites and temples of the once thriving Greek city-state of Pergamon

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Urartu, we are over 70 million and have only around 150 000 Ermeni half of them illegal immigrants and still we discuss. It is called freedom of speech and believe me we criticise ourselves harder than you do. It is not like we agree that there was a genocide but still we discuss about the events, I have books from Ermeni stand and from Turkish stand. I know both sides ideas and when I mean both sides I mean all sides of political sides, right, left etc.


About the peace and solution, you are a pessimistic, I am not. There is no way to find a base to satisfy both of us becouse of your pessimism so lets see what happens in time


I took pictures of tons of historical places, even the place where the war of Thermopholis ( movie 300 Spartans ) supposed to take place. I will post them later in a different topic, but no hotties since most of the deabters here are below 18

[HayArsen]

Urartu, we are over 70 million and have only around 150 000 Ermeni half of them illegal immigrants and still we discuss. It is called freedom of speech and believe me we criticise ourselves harder than you do. It is not like we agree that there was a genocide but still we discuss about the events, I have books from Ermeni stand and from Turkish stand. I know both sides ideas and when I mean both sides I mean all sides of political sides, right, left etc.
About the peace and solution, you are a pessimistic, I am not. There is no way to find a base to satisfy both of us becouse of your pessimism so lets see what happens in time
I took pictures of tons of historical places, even the place where the war of Thermopholis ( movie 300 Spartans ) supposed to take place. I will post them later in a different topic, but no hotties since most of the deabters here are below 18

lol 150000? The number turks usually say is 70000. Most Armenians in Turkey are pretending to be turks and are hiding.

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150000/2=75000. And now I have to teach you math..... This is just great.

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Look what I read just now. LA catholic church is accepting child abuse and going to pay money to the families of the abused kids to drop the law suits..

So church can buy innocence and it is ok if they pay for the crimes

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1643583,00.html


Among the largest total payouts was $100 million in 2004 by the Diocese of Orange, Calif., to settle 90 claims.

Hey isn't Orange County mostly ermeni populated ?

PS: If you add the numbers in the article you get 1500, and these are the ones that took it to the court, so it must be ok to assume that the number is a little more than this.

Even with 1500 abused kids in 7 years it makes around 210 abused kids per year and that is huuuuggeee considering that the abusers are priests.

[HayArsen]

150000/2=75000. And now I have to teach you math..... This is just great.

wtf are you talking about idiot, I didn't divide. 70000 is the number of Armenians in turkey according to the retard turks. I have to teach you to read carefully.

[HayArsen]

Look what I read just now. LA catholic church is accepting child abuse and going to pay money to the families of the abused kids to drop the law suits..

So church can buy innocence and it is ok if they pay for the crimes

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1643583,00.html
Among the largest total payouts was $100 million in 2004 by the Diocese of Orange, Calif., to settle 90 claims.

Hey isn't Orange County mostly ermeni populated ?

PS: If you add the numbers in the article you get 1500, and these are the ones that took it to the court, so it must be ok to assume that the number is a little more than this.

Even with 1500 abused kids in 7 years it makes around 210 abused kids per year and that is huuuuggeee considering that the abusers are priests.

Majority of Armenians are not catholic kiddo. In fact I have never seen a catholic Armenian.

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In December two sociologists published the results of their one‑year study on child prostitution in Istanbul. They estimated there were 300 to 400 girls under 18 working in the sex trade in the city.

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2004

TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS – In May, police took testimony from a 17-year-old Romanian victim who described a common trafficking scenario. The victim reported that when she was in ninth grade she came in contact with traffickers who promised her a job with good wages in Istanbul as a baby sitter or housekeeper. In October 2003, traffickers brought her to Istanbul by bus with other Romanian girls and put her up in a hotel. Her captors destroyed her passport and other identification documents, gave her false documents, and threatened to kill her if she spoke to police. She was forced to have intercourse with approximately 200 persons over an 8-month period

Turkey is a transit and destination country for women and children trafficked primarily for sexual exploitation. Some men, women, and children are also trafficked for forced labor. There has been increasing evidence of internal trafficking of Turkish citizens for forced labor and sexual exploitation. Most victims come from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, including Moldova, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Romania, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Belarus.
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SO LISTEN UP FAGGOT. BEFORE YOU WRITE POSTS INTENDED TO BASH ARMENIANS REMEMBER THAT U TURDISH FAGGOTS ARE IN WORSE SITUATIONS. AS I AM TYPING THIS A NUMBER OF KURDISH BOYS ARE GETTING RAPED IN A JUVENILE CENTRE, AND UR FATHER IS ###### A FARM ANIMAL, WHILE UR MOM PLEASURES HERSELF TO DOG SEX. SO STOP POSTING ###### THAT IS IRELEVANT TO WHAT THIS FORUM IS ABOUT U LITTLE ######FACE

And that's just the tip of the iceberg on Turkey! As someone already said it occurs in every country but now that's this little 'dart' has thrown his stones here I may just pay a visit to the Turkey forum and under the same thread title - Child Abuse" give him a dose of his own medicine.

[Urartu]

Urartu, we are over 70 million and have only around 150 000 Ermeni half of them illegal immigrants and still we discuss.

Ok? You keep on repeating yourself and saying that you discuss. I know you discuss it in Turkey. That conversation is over. Moving on………

Yes 150,000 Armenians, half of them are illegal. What’s your point? You’re saying it like I should be amazed that you discuss whit 150,000 Armenians. “And still we discuss” So what number would you not discuss or be more likely to discuss? If it were 300,000 would it not be a big deal if you discussed. Or if it were 20,000 should everyone be amazed that they discuss? You get my point? It makes no sense… Anyway I dragged that I little to long but I wanted to make my point clear. “Say things that are understandable, easy to interpret, and have a point”

It is called freedom of speech

Which has restrictions in Turkey.

I have books from Ermeni stand and from Turkish stand. I know both sides ideas and when I mean both sides I mean all sides of political sides, right, left etc.

Where are you Armenian side books from? If they’re from Turkey you’re on the wrong path. You need an Armenian sided book from an Armenian, not a Turk. And I doubt you can find that in Turkey seeing as how most writers are persecuted for mentioning the Armenian Genocide in a book. Or in an interview for that matter…

Anyway this conversation was ended in my last post.

Arrow: We discuss how about you?

Urartu: We don’t discuss because there are no deniers of the Armenian Genocide in Armenia.

(Point proven, conversation over)

Arrow: (stretching it) Ummmmm, just to remind you, we discuss….

About the peace and solution, you are a pessimistic, I am not.

Ok…..

There is no way to find a base to satisfy both of us becouse of your pessimism so lets see what happens in time

Fair enough, Time will tell.




You know this is a little off topic but I have to say it cuz it just came to mind. You always reminded me of someone put I couldn’t think of who until just now. I’m pretty sure you know Professor Justin McCarthy. I remember watching him in an interview and he was saying how If America accepts the genocide Turkey should not stop trade with America because Turkey’s number one priority is to make sure it’s people have a good life, good jobs, good education, enough food.

He tries to make himself seem like the logical and human one so when other people see it they don’t think of him as the evil genocide denier but instead they say, “awww he can’t be bad, he cares about the people and the children est.” and they think he is write since he seems to be such a kind hearted person. I see the same quality in you. It’s sickening, but luckily most people are not dumb enough to fall for that.

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wtf are you talking about idiot, I didn't divide. 70000 is the number of Armenians in turkey according to the retard turks. I have to teach you to read carefully.

HayArsen you are an idiot for certain, I mean no offense but while you are telling me to read carefully I advise you to take your own advise in action.

Urartu, we are over 70 million and have only around 150 000 Ermeni half of them illegal immigrants and still we discuss.......

150000/2=75000

70-75000 is the number of ermeni citizens of Turkiye, the rest are illegal immigrants like mexican illegal immigrants in USA, got it ?

Dude, it is like trying to teach the camel to jump, come back sober and we can get somewhere:)

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Majority of Armenians are not catholic kiddo. In fact I have never seen a catholic Armenian.

http://www.armeniancatholic.ru/en/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Catholic_Church

Now you know there are. BTW I am 32, a little old to be a kiddo though I really would like to be 17-18

But you can call me old fart, it is totally ok

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And that's just the tip of the iceberg on Turkey! As someone already said it occurs in every country but now that's this little 'dart' has thrown his stones here I may just pay a visit to the Turkey forum and under the same thread title - Child Abuse" give him a dose of his own medicine.

The reason I started this topic, which nobody bothered to ask, was becouse I wanted you fashist right wingers to see that nobody is perfect. You keep picturing yourselves above all and can't deal with the reality, well as you stated yourself there are problems everywhere and ermenistan is included.

And you are a little slow, Urartu already started a topic similar to this....

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Ok? You keep on repeating yourself and saying that you discuss. I know you discuss it in Turkey. That conversation is over. Moving on………

Yes 150,000 Armenians, half of them are illegal. What’s your point? You’re saying it like I should be amazed that you discuss whit 150,000 Armenians. “And still we discuss” So what number would you not discuss or be more likely to discuss? If it were 300,000 would it not be a big deal if you discussed. Or if it were 20,000 should everyone be amazed that they discuss? You get my point? It makes no sense… Anyway I dragged that I little to long but I wanted to make my point clear. “Say things that are understandable, easy to interpret, and have a point”
Which has restrictions in Turkey.
Where are you Armenian side books from? If they’re from Turkey you’re on the wrong path. You need an Armenian sided book from an Armenian, not a Turk. And I doubt you can find that in Turkey seeing as how most writers are persecuted for mentioning the Armenian Genocide in a book. Or in an interview for that matter…

Anyway this conversation was ended in my last post.

Arrow: We discuss how about you?

Urartu: We don’t discuss because there are no deniers of the Armenian Genocide in Armenia.

(Point proven, conversation over)

Arrow: (stretching it) Ummmmm, just to remind you, we discuss….
Ok…..
Fair enough, Time will tell.
You know this is a little off topic but I have to say it cuz it just came to mind. You always reminded me of someone put I couldn’t think of who until just now. I’m pretty sure you know Professor Justin McCarthy. I remember watching him in an interview and he was saying how If America accepts the genocide Turkey should not stop trade with America because Turkey’s number one priority is to make sure it’s people have a good life, good jobs, good education, enough food.

He tries to make himself seem like the logical and human one so when other people see it they don’t think of him as the evil genocide denier but instead they say, “awww he can’t be bad, he cares about the people and the children est.” and they think he is write since he seems to be such a kind hearted person. I see the same quality in you. It’s sickening, but luckily most people are not dumb enough to fall for that.

The number of ermeni in Turkiye has nothing to do with the debates or discussions. You are so self focused you can't even empathy with others. My point was, although nobody here cares about the genocide but a few like me and right winged nuts, there are still discussions, an open window... And yes we are all done with the genocide accusations, it didn't happen.

I got my books about ermeni stand from UK and Canada. You seem to forget that I live in BC.....

Also a person can not be defined bad or good according to his ideas.. That prof. you mention can not be bad or good becouse of his side on one single topic. Read bible a few times more if you don't believe me.. And if you are a fanatic tell me at advance please...

And please show me one single state on earth that has no boundries on freedoms. All freedoms are limited within the system they belong.

[HayArsen]

HayArsen you are an idiot for certain, I mean no offense but while you are telling me to read carefully I advise you to take your own advise in action.
150000/2=75000

70-75000 is the number of ermeni citizens of Turkiye, the rest are illegal immigrants like mexican illegal immigrants in USA, got it ?

Dude, it is like trying to teach the camel to jump, come back sober and we can get somewhere:)

How do you know the number of illegal immigrants? Did your government count them or something? You are just throwing random numbers here and there retard.

Edit :And its not like any illegal Armenian immigrant would seek an asylum in turkey, so you cant estimate the number.

P.S. When I said number of Armenians is 70000 I meant citizens and illegal immigrants altogether.

[HayArsen]

http://www.armeniancatholic.ru/en/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Catholic_Church

Now you know there are. BTW I am 32, a little old to be a kiddo though I really would like to be 17-18

But you can call me old fart, it is totally ok

That is still not the majority of Armenians. Only a small number of Armenians are Catholic old fart.

Happier?

[Urartu]

The number of ermeni in Turkiye has nothing to do with the debates or discussions.

Then don’t mention it.

You are so self focused you can't even empathy with others. My point was, although nobody here cares about the genocide but a few like me and right winged nuts, there are still discussions, an open window... And yes we are all done with the genocide accusations, it didn't happen.

Okay, well I never denied that you discuss it in Turkey. I thought you were asking if we discuss it in Armenia and I answered you. And now, all of a sudden, you have a new point you were trying to make. But whatever.

I got my books about ermeni stand from UK and Canada. You seem to forget that I live in BC.....

Never new that. But now I do.

Also a person can not be defined bad or good according to his ideas.. That prof. you mention can not be bad or good becouse of his side on one single topic.

I think they can. If someone has ideas of murder than can you stop yourself from judging the person as evil? Ever heard of a “bad idea”?

Read bible a few times more if you don't believe me.. And if you are a fanatic tell me at advance please...

I’ve never read the Bible. Have you?

And please show me one single state on earth that has no boundries on freedoms. All freedoms are limited within the system they belong.

True. If you’re threatening someone then there is a problem because you’re endangering someone’s life. And I can understand that some nations do not let you burn the flag. But offending Turkishness? I mean c’mon….

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Okay, well I never denied that you discuss it in Turkey. I thought you were asking if we discuss it in Armenia and I answered you. And now, all of a sudden, you have a new point you were trying to make. But whatever.

I think they can. If someone has ideas of murder than can you stop yourself from judging the person as evil? Ever heard of a “bad idea”?
I’ve never read the Bible. Have you?
True. If you’re threatening someone then there is a problem because you’re endangering someone’s life. And I can understand that some nations do not let you burn the flag. But offending Turkishness? I mean c’mon….

I just wanted to know the situation in ermenistan, and after your elusieve answers I know that they are not allowed to discuss...


If someone has ideas to harm someone there are police officers and laws, at least in a democratic state. And talking about history, stateing your ideas about a historical debate won't make you a bad person, at the very worst a discredited person. And such a thing won't give you the right to bomb a persons house, assasinate civilians nor attacking civilian airports. Becarefull kiddo, terrorism starts like this, you may end up in Abu Garip one day, or even worse Turkish prison

Offending Turkishness eh, thnaks for bringing this up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#France

Restrictions: The law in France as part of “internal security” enactments passed in 2003 makes it an offense to insult the national flag or anthem, with a penalty of a maximum 9,000 euro fine or up to six months' imprisonment. Restrictions on "offending the dignity of the republic," on the other hand, include "insulting" anyone who serves the public (potentially magistrates, police, firefighters, teachers and even bus conductors). The legislation reflects the debate that raged after incidents such as the booing of the “La Marseillaise” at a France vs. Algeria football match in 2002.


Germany :

Further restrictions on freedom of speech in the German Criminal Code Section 90 concerns “Disparagement of the State and its Symbol.” It provides that: “Whoever publicly, in a meeting or through the dissemination of writings (Section 11 subsection (3)): "1. insults or maliciously maligns the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its Lands or its constitutional order; or2. disparages the colors, flag, coat of arms or the anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its Lands, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.”

USA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

On June 16, 1918, Debs made a speech in Canton, Ohio in opposition to World War I and was arrested under the Espionage Act of 1917. He was convicted, sentenced to serve ten years in prison and disenfranchised for life. While the photo pictured on the left of this page has for decades been reported to be of Debs giving his speech in Canton, it is actually a picture of Debs giving a speech to a large crowd in Chicago in 1912.

Debs made his best-remembered statement at his sentencing hearing:
“ Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.


And this can go for pages. Every system, every nation, every state has the right to protect their values, defend themselves. If you deny this right you are either an anarchist or stupid

I read the bible a few times, you should do so sometime. It is part of ermeni culture you know....

[irlandahay]

Turkish police is working with FBI, MI6 and Interpol, what is ermeni thugs doing about it ?

turkish police huh? is that the same police that takes nationnalistic pictures with murderers? that same turkish police that gang rapes kurdish children in the prisons?

well in that case keep up the good work, you really are a model country, we should all be as pure as the turks!

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turkish police huh? is that the same police that takes nationnalistic pictures with murderers? that same turkish police that gang rapes kurdish children in the prisons?

well in that case keep up the good work, you really are a model country, we should all be as pure as the turks!

Well hello and unless you can prove your accusations please keep the dirty talk out. And it must be the LA church priests that rape little boys since they accepted to pay 600 million to drop charges...

Yea way to go clergy , I guess they learned from the Turkish police a few things eh

[irlandahay]

Well hello and unless you can prove your accusations please keep the dirty talk out. And it must be the LA church priests that rape little boys since they accepted to pay 600 million to drop charges...

Yea way to go clergy , I guess they learned from the Turkish police a few things eh

haha. I dont live in LA nor am I part of the clergy so... hmmm nice comeback turk!

lol and ya, I'm sure they have joint training exercises. thats something to see

and prove my accusations? there were topics about each of my accusations and if you want you can just go check human rights watch and find out what they do to kurdish kids in prison

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Yea, I am sure you are right about everything you post kiddo, no worries. When it comes from you I like the little jokes and all.

Anyways here is what Irish church has to say about it. It seems Irish clergy also had some training with Turkish police and the best part is in Ireland Nuns are included in the abuser side

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1929761.stm

http://escholarship.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent...church21_papers

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130373&page=1

Hey you are 14 right, just be carefull out there kiddo, we don't want anything bad happen to you

[irlandahay]

Yea, I am sure you are right about everything you post kiddo, no worries. When it comes from you I like the little jokes and all.

Anyways here is what Irish church has to say about it. It seems Irish clergy also had some training with Turkish police and the best part is in Ireland Nuns are included in the abuser side

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1929761.stm

http://escholarship.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent...church21_papers

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130373&page=1

Hey you are 14 right, just be carefull out there kiddo, we don't want anything bad happen to you

lol ya we have loads of fun...

ooou, the irish church, now youv impressed me turk.
I swear can you be even more off topic? the clergy rapes children, the imams blow themselves up on buses, and the rabbi's shoot at palestinian children. Nobody's perfect

I'm 16 man and you dont have to worry about me. what I find rather interesting is why you take so much interest in child abuse and rape? someone had a little run-in with the turkish gendarmes havnt they

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lol ya we have loads of fun...

ooou, the irish church, now youv impressed me turk.


I'm 16 man and you dont have to worry about me. what I find rather interesting is why you take so much interest in child abuse and rape? someone had a little run-in with the turkish gendarmes havnt they

But IrishHay, Irish clergy raping kids is totally relevant to the topic. And according to BBC the nuber of abused are pretty high. Considering that 90% of schools in Ireland are run by Church the effect of the news must be devestating.

And since you are still a student you are definatly in the danger zone

And it is funny how you go explain that nobody is perfect when the fingers start pointing at you. Anyways just don't drop the soap in the showers out there

[HayArsen]

Anyways just don't drop the soap in the showers out there

Make sure you don't drop it in gay turkish orgy bath