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 08/02/06 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(AssyrianKing19 @ 08/02/06 03:27 PM) [snapback]86879[/snapback]
Ya but they do it til this day.
Do we have any legitimate and credible sources for that? Something like HRW, AI, UN sources?
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08/03/06 03:28 AM
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QUOTE(AssyrianKing19 @ 08/02/06 08:25 PM) [snapback]86948[/snapback]
So when my aunt call me and said that a Kurdish Islamict group kidnapped my cousin with the US army saying that it was them. Ya not creditable.
No, not credible... for this kind of matters we want serious sources like said above...
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08/18/06 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(Gudea @ 08/17/06 10:53 PM) [snapback]88690[/snapback] Khon, my dear Rumtaya, I wrote it in long before, when some Syriacs were spreading hatred against Kurds. Besides, You are welcome to deny your own country Kurdistan!  Don´t call me your Brother I ain´t! No one knows the betrayal and treachery of the Kurds as the Assyrian people do because there are countless true stories in this regard. For example, there was an Assyrian who befriended a Kurd and they both developed a brotherly relationship and wouldn’t do any thing whether good or bad if they were not together. One day the Assyrian was walking while the Kurd walked behind him, when the Kurd said:” I want you my friend to walk behind me and not before me”. The Assyrian was surprised at the request:” why my friend”? The Kurd responded:” You know my friend we’ve been together for a long time during which I never lied to you but recently whenever I see you walking before me I have feelings of killing you and indeed many a time I proceeded to take my dagger in order to kill you but some how I was able to control myself, so I beg you not to walk before me because I feel that I will betray our friendship one of these days and I will kill you” That was the end of that friendship. There isn’t an Assyrian village which hasn’t experienced the Kurdish betrayal and it’s rare to find an Assyrian who hasn’t been betrayed by the Kurds, that’s why the Assyrians have a famous and well known proverb which has been known from father to son:” If a Kurd becomes a piece of gold don’t place it in your pocket”.Almost every Assyrian knows this! What for denying? There is no Kurdistan on Assyrian Lands, there are just "Kurds" who think the land in northern Iraq is Kurdistan! Never think of a small group they can´t beat you!!! QUOTE
A week before the crime two peasants Oshana and Nissan were surprised to discover an area of five Donums of red melons burned completely due to the use of a pesticide which exterminates all sorts of vegetation, and even though They complained but the authorities claimed that the suspects swore on the Koran that they weren’t the culprits so they were cleared. ((Yes, the Kurds have their own “Koran verses” aside from all other Muslims. One says:” maleh fala halaleh” which means the usurpation of Christian property is Halal (permitted). The other one says:” bkosheh fala dijta bhashteh” which means kill a Christian and you will go to paradise. The latter phrase was repeated until recently during Friday prayers in Kurdish mosques and even though today they have less faith in that phrase but they still apply it; that’s how they have been able to establish an area for themselves at the expense of our Assyrian name and history))
http://www.ana-ashur.com/articles/kurdish_experiment.htm
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08/18/06 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(Gudea @ 08/18/06 07:32 PM) [snapback]88771[/snapback] Is it a poem?  sorry. I was impressed with that. Who have said Assyrians or whatever you call it, should not live in Assyria or whatever you call it? QUOTE How do you expect us to give you already non-Assyrian inhabitant cities like Hewlêr, Duhok, Zakho, mehabad, Amed? Then why turks don't give up Istanbul? Why if it's Kurds turn every body loses justice? Why americans don't give up Washington? Why Vikings don't Give up Scandinavia? Why arabs don't give up Lebanon? Why Kurds should give up the lands in which they have been born and lived? Didn´t you read what i wrote? Was there something hard to understand? Did i asked you to give me something? Sorry i can´t remeber that maybe you can show me the part I asked for what you wrote. What please is Hewler, Dohuk, Mahabad, Amed? I dont knwo this whatever they are! I do not want Anything from you since you even dont respect what I am? Why do you care about " extinct people"? What is with Turks? Why do you start to talking about Turks? I am not a Turk to give you Land, because i dont hold any of this lands! I am someone of those people who you call "Syriac´s, so dont ask me what Turks dont do or what others do!
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08/19/06 05:44 AM
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QUOTE(Gudea @ 08/18/06 07:56 PM) [snapback]88774[/snapback]
So you have no claim of Kurdish soil? then don't attack Kurds that they are devil (peace be upon him since he is more respectful than many human-likes), or Kurds are this and that. If you remember we started to wrote some academic facts about Syriacs/ Assyrians when every day you and your friends were filling the forum with words like Kurds are bad, Kurdas are bad. So it was a defence not an attack.
Besides we don't see you as enemy, a main reason can be because you are not a threat to our people. You have no significant presense in the region. I can say one of the smallest communities in much of middle east are Assyrians. Yes we are not your enemy because you are not a threat to us. We recognize every rights for you as have done for ourselves. If there are some mistakes or unjustice it is not all of Kurds mistake. every people have good and bad. generalising means racism and condemned by civilied world. I bet Assyrians will have more advantages if they will be with Kurds than staying against them.
What for Kurdish soil? Is there any Problem with understanding what Assyrians want? We aren´t asking for Kurdish soil, why should we go and take parts of western Iran? The soil i am talking is not Kurdish soil, it is Assyria. On Assyria there are living beside Assyrians other Nation´s and two of the other Nations are occudpied the area for themself one part call it Irak(some parts of the north sunni) and the other calls it southern Kurdistan. You can´t work with someone who you dont trust, so why should we work with Kurds if they call our land southern Kurdistan and cities like arbil hewler? You know the qoute There are two persons i trust, one is myself and the other is not you! Assyrians tried many times to stay with Kurds, but they were always betrayled. We won´t do this mistake again!!!
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08/19/06 06:42 AM
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QUOTE(Rumtaya @ 08/19/06 11:44 AM) [snapback]88820[/snapback]
What for Kurdish soil? Is there any Problem with understanding what Assyrians want? We aren´t asking for Kurdish soil, why should we go and take parts of western Iran? The soil i am talking is not Kurdish soil, it is Assyria.
On Assyria there are living beside Assyrians other Nation´s and two of the other Nations are occudpied the area for themself one part call it Irak(some parts of the north sunni) and the other calls it southern Kurdistan.
You can´t work with someone who you dont trust, so why should we work with Kurds if they call our land southern Kurdistan and cities like arbil hewler?
You know the qoute
There are two persons i trust, one is myself and the other is not you!
Assyrians tried many times to stay with Kurds, but they were always betrayled.
We won´t do this mistake again!!!
LOL, Then you have a extrem nationalist point of regarding real life, world... we have lived in this soil for thousands of years. Please next time you read history make sure its author is not Assyrian but try to read the scientific mainstream view of Kurdish histiory. We call it Hewler (Temple of Sun) because we have done so even before Arab vandals invasion, when much of Middle east was land of Aryans. And our beloved Mosul city! tell me who was fighting Hajaj ibn Mosul in the time Arab invasion? We did not come to thius lands just after 2003 liberation, or 1991 Kurdish intifada (Raperín), or 1910s civil war, or time of begining of Turko-mongolians or other hells. Today in 2006 an assyria which has above 99,99 has a non-Assyrian population is no more assyria as a ethno-cultural region. It is land of the Kurds. Kurdewari, or as outsiders know it Kurdistan. It's all about demographics and not history. Besides no one has asked you to stay ansd live here. If you like it you can live with Kurds, if not go/stay in exile and shut up please, because you are/ (becomming) alrady extinct. 
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08/19/06 08:41 AM
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QUOTE(Gudea @ 08/19/06 02:42 PM) [snapback]88821[/snapback] LOL, Then you have a extrem nationalist point of regarding real life, world... we have lived in this soil for thousands of years. Please next time you read history make sure its author is not Assyrian but try to read the scientific mainstream view of Kurdish histiory. We call it Hewler (Temple of Sun) because we have done so even before Arab vandals invasion, when much of Middle east was land of Aryans. And our beloved Mosul city! tell me who was fighting Hajaj ibn Mosul in the time Arab invasion? We did not come to thius lands just after 2003 liberation, or 1991 Kurdish intifada (Raperín), or 1910s civil war, or time of begining of Turko-mongolians or other hells. Today in 2006 an assyria which has above 99,99 has a non-Assyrian population is no more assyria as a ethno-cultural region. It is land of the Kurds. Kurdewari, or as outsiders know it Kurdistan. It's all about demographics and not history. Besides no one has asked you to stay ansd live here. If you like it you can live with Kurds, if not go/stay in exile and shut up please, because you are/ (becomming) alrady extinct. That is what you think and it is ok I dont have a problem with it! Last Centurie there was an Ottoman Empire, after that there was a British, now it is a American Empire, we see what will follow!
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11/15/06 07:40 PM
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stop bickering...
look..we defeat the turks and azeris, then we give armenia is sevre treaty righful lands, then we can move many of the kurds living in armenian lands to irak where they would be with their bretheren..(but we keep the yezidis)
after that, Assyrians can create a nation where they form majorities, and kurds where they form theirs.
i mean, lets be logical, as much as i would like to see an assyria, there would not be enough population to live in it anyways. better to be content with the lands where there are Assyrians, instead of having to uproot alot of population and so on.
btw, kurds were used by the turks to butcher hundreds of thousands of armenianS!
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11/24/06 06:51 AM
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QUOTE we defeat the turks and azeris, then we give armenia is sevre treaty righful lands HAH! How will be do this? Can you explain to me? I'm wondering how yours defeat Turks and Azeris? Oh, also be carefull! you are forgot again, kurds are muslim like Turks and yours hated all Muslims. So, was very funny Hosank, keep on your dreams, but not real. I prefer more real dreams hearing from you with compared Turkey - Azerbaijan - Armenia neighbour circle. Regards,
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03/16/07 09:59 PM
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I don't know that Israel has a "stand," per se, on Assyria. I will put up a few comments made by Netanyahu regarding the Assyrians in his book A Durable Peace.
"Yet while the Jews were subjugated for considerable parts of this first millennium and a half of their history and even experienced exile (the deportation of the ten northern tribes by the Assyrians in the eighth century BCE, and the Babylonia Exile in the sixth), they responded by driving their national roots deeper into the soil." pg 25
Like Arab aggression across borders, domestic violence with the Arab states is also applied to non-Arabs. A powerful Arab nationalism regards the area from Morocco to the Persian Gulf as belonging exclusively to Arabs, despite the presence of numerous other peoples and religious minorities throughout the area--Berbers, Kurds, Copts and other Christian denominations, Druze, Jews, Circassians, Assyrians, blacks, and others--constituting a substantial portion of the overall population. And while the presence of these non-Arab or non-Moslem peoples is usually tolerated by Arab governments, they are accepted only in a state of subjugation, never as equals. Those who have refused to agree to this arrangement have been suppressed, often mercilessly.
In 1933, the Iraqi authorities massacred the ancient Assyrian Christian community and incited the Arab population to murder and plunder the survivors. Thousands fled the country. " pg106, 107
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"The Jews may not have been loved in antiquity, but they were respected for their determination and capacity to resist assaults on their rights and liberty. In fact, it is hard to find a people that resisted so persistently, for so long, and against such overwhelming odds. Although the Jewish lands was successively conquered by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines, and Arabs, the Jewish people resisted conquest, occupation and exile for nearly twenty centuries." pg 355-356
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nice, that was an old tradition among Kurds that one should not kill those who are not carrying gun, elders, woman and childern. as you said apparently asyrians too respected that law. I'm glad that Assyrians were strong! 
