Crimean Tartar Genocide, May 18th, 1944 Options

[irlandahay]

BUT TURKIC PARLIAMANT WITH REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TURKIC WORLD THIS VERY NICE. IN TURKIC WORLD HAVE MANY PROBLEMS LIKE KIBRIS OR KARABAKH AND IF ALL THE TURKIC COUNTRYS AND COMMUNITIS TO WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLUTION THIS PROBLEM IS VERY GOOD.

FIRST ALL THE TURKIC COUNTRIES SHOULD TO RECOGNIZE IN NORTHEN CYPRUS AS COUNTRY .

ALSO ATATURK SAY WHO TURKS ARE CAUCASIAN.

solution will be very good?
by that you mean no more armenians left alive in karabakh? is that your idea of very good.
your sick.

Turkic countries can recognise what ever they damned want its not like the world will. And dont even think the greeks will let you get away with it.

And since when is ataturk a credible source? if you want to go back to ataturk quotes, did you know ataturk recognised the Armenian genocide?

and Ataturk was less turkish then mordoth is! (and thats not alot)

[KHAZARI]

IRLANDAHAY I SUPPORT IN DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION I NOT SAY WHO I WANT TO EXILE THE ARMENIAN FROM KARABAKH ,STOP TO DISTORTED MY WORDS.

PEACE IN THE HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD

[irlandahay]

IRLANDAHAY I SUPPORT IN DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION I NOT SAY WHO I WANT TO EXILE THE ARMENIAN FROM KARABAKH ,STOP TO DISTORTED MY WORDS.

PEACE IN THE HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD

I dont see how you can praise peace when your country is now pointlessly bombing northern iraq looking for...insurgents?

And I didnt twist your words you just never specified and I assumed... I apologize for assuming so now tell me what would be your ideal solution in the Artsakh conflict?

[Mordoth]

now you are saying that turks are caucasoid, before modordoth said turks were central asian...(btw, mesapotamians are not caucasoid)...so if i follow your every crazier theories on the turk, we can argue that there is no such thing as a turk, because it has such a broad meaning. a mongol looking kazak is a turk, a blond white blue eyed guy is a turk, a black man is a turk...every language is related to the turks...

i mean, you guys do not take this seriously, you just want to believe in a myth.

if so..then why are you here debating reality, when you are living in some turranic dream?

btw, mordoth, i wanted to ask why georgia is in grey on your map, and armenia in black

Hazars found a Khanate and that Dynasty had lived for more than 700 years in Caucasian region. That 's why modern day Anatolian Turks might have Caucasian ( Resesive ) genes within themselves.

Secondly , you figured all things out by WHAT I WAS TRYING to prescribe , well done. ( I painted them in bold in your quote ) Mesopotamian people had never been Caucasoid, lets say whole of the Mesopotamia had never been Caucasoid !They had all been assimilated in Semites.
For instance , Bulgars(Bolkar - name of the Mountain-Sequence next to Urals ) and AVAR Turks were all Slavized because of Christianization policy of Eastern Roman Empire. Krum Khan had ordered Bulgarian public to use the cyrillic - similar to greek script alphabet at all. As you see ,even those men had the Turkish labels like " KHAN ".

And the topic which you discussed " People with Kazakh - Mongol sight are Turks. " That is nothing more than a misleading about the TURKs. BEcause Turks have countless tribes within itself, all of them had their own symbols that differed their cattles-horses and properties from each other. And your perspective is NARROW , because being a Turk does not mean to have slanted eyes. We have our RACE which is TURANOID ( lets say Mongoloid ) .

About the map ;

No idea. May because it seems like a blackpore on a beautiful face. ( I copied that map )

[Mordoth]

solution will be very good?
by that you mean no more armenians left alive in karabakh? is that your idea of very good.
your sick.

In my opinion , methods of armos that fought in Karabagh against civilians were BRUTAL.
So are all Armenians SICK because of the crime commited by Armenia ?

Turkic countries can recognise what ever they damned want its not like the world will. And dont even think the greeks will let you get away with it.

And since when is ataturk a credible source? if you want to go back to ataturk quotes, did you know ataturk recognised the Armenian genocide?

and Ataturk was less turkish then mordoth is! (and thats not alot)

ATATURK did not say such kind of a stupid quote , if so source , he had no armenian blood within himself to oppose the facts.

[Mordoth]

I dont see how you can praise peace when your country is now pointlessly bombing northern iraq looking for...insurgents?

And I didnt twist your words you just never specified and I assumed... I apologize for assuming so now tell me what would be your ideal solution in the Artsakh conflict?

It is not your bussiness to discuss about Iraq. You deploy your lousy as* and writing down coward things. Shut it up .

NOT atrash : KARABAGH from ... BC to infinity

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I dont see how you can praise peace when your country is now pointlessly bombing northern iraq looking for...insurgents?

And I didnt twist your words you just never specified and I assumed... I apologize for assuming so now tell me what would be your ideal solution in the Artsakh conflict?

Simple, just let the people live in harmony and peace. I don't think my Azeri brothers can take any part of that land back. Just my 5 cents.

[KHAZARI]

IRLANDAHAY BOTH THE AZERI AND THE ARMENIAN NEED TO MAKE ACCORD WHO BE AGREED ON BOTH.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO EAT THE CAKE AND KEEP THE CAKE WHOLE. BOTH NEED TO MAKE
CONCESSION EACH OTHER. I HOPE WHO THE FUTUR TO BE BETTER AND WHO THE COFLICT TO END IN PEACE BETWEEN THE 2 COUNTRIES.

GREETINGS

[irlandahay]

In my opinion , methods of armos that fought in Karabagh against civilians were BRUTAL.
So are all Armenians SICK because of the crime commited by Armenia ?

ATATURK did not say such kind of a stupid quote , if so source , he had no armenian blood within himself to oppose the facts.

Brutal? and I suppose killing tons of civilians in Baku, Askeran, Mardakert, Shushi, Kedashen and basically all regions of artsakh before war was even declared not brutal? What about destroying 1600 year old monuments, proving that there was a significant armenian presence in the region? is that not considered brutal? what can you come up with? Some hoax about Khojali? obviously something bad happened there but you can only push someone so much...

And just for you mordoth

"Founder of the modern Turkish Republic in 1923 and revered throughout Turkey, in an interview published on August 1, 1926 in The Los Angeles Examiner, talking about former Young Turks in his country...

These left-overs from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been made to account for the millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the Republican rule. "

[irlandahay]

It is not your bussiness to discuss about Iraq. You deploy your lousy as* and writing down coward things. Shut it up .

NOT atrash : KARABAGH from ... BC to infinity

I deploy my lousy a*s? when you come to me speaking english then I'l try and understand what your talking about...

And what gives you the right to talk about Artsakh? let me ask you something, have you ever even been there? have you seen any of the things you claim are now taking place?

And yes my friend it is Artsakh, It was called that back in the 5th century under Tikran metz rule, and it is still called that today because it si ARMENIAN land...and its only fair it should have an armenian name

[irlandahay]

Simple, just let the people live in harmony and peace. I don't think my Azeri brothers can take any part of that land back. Just my 5 cents.

I didnt say we cant live in peace, but young men as young as me have faught and died for the land that belongs to THEM, I believe it is not logical to give an inch back in the honour of our young that died, if this were your land, tell me you wouldnt feel the same way?

[irlandahay]

IRLANDAHAY BOTH THE AZERI AND THE ARMENIAN NEED TO MAKE ACCORD WHO BE AGREED ON BOTH.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO EAT THE CAKE AND KEEP THE CAKE WHOLE. BOTH NEED TO MAKE
CONCESSION EACH OTHER. I HOPE WHO THE FUTUR TO BE BETTER AND WHO THE COFLICT TO END IN PEACE BETWEEN THE 2 COUNTRIES.

GREETINGS

Yes but tell me, what are "concessions of yours"?

Usually when there are meetings, azeris act like children and demand the land back (as if they can take it) and dont want to hear anything else. why should we give them anything while they still hold Nakhichevan?

Obviously the end of the conflict is something long over due, but It wont end if Azerbaijan keeps threatening for war.

Hails

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I didnt say we cant live in peace, but young men as young as me have faught and died for the land that belongs to THEM, I believe it is not logical to give an inch back in the honour of our young that died, if this were your land, tell me you wouldnt feel the same way?

I already wrote that the land will stay as it is and my Azeri brothers can not take it back, didn't I ?

Same goes for Turkiye, not you nor PKK can take any portion of it from her. We should learn to live with the facts.

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Yes but tell me, what are "concessions of yours"?

Usually when there are meetings, azeris act like children and demand the land back (as if they can take it) and dont want to hear anything else. why should we give them anything while they still hold Nakhichevan?

Obviously the end of the conflict is something long over due, but It wont end if Azerbaijan keeps threatening for war.

Hails

If it comes to it Turkiye will be at Azarbaycan's side on a war. Government stated more than once that we would love to see a peacefull solution but if not we won't just sit and wait next time.

I seriously do hope you guys work it out.

[irlandahay]

If it comes to it Turkiye will be at Azarbaycan's side on a war. Government stated more than once that we would love to see a peacefull solution but if not we won't just sit and wait next time.

I seriously do hope you guys work it out.

Actually, if there is a THIS time, you WILL sit and watch even more than last time.
Turkey is trying to get into the EU and aiding Azeris wont look so good, and also, Russia will get involved if you do. So this means no aiding with materials, no sending mercenaries. Azerbaijan will be more alone then ever if the conflict resumes, and that is why they have only threatened for war now and not done jack darn it about it.

Tell me, how many times has armenia answered to Alyev's threats? A president making constant war threats... its pitiful.

[irlandahay]

I already wrote that the land will stay as it is and my Azeri brothers can not take it back, didn't I ?

Same goes for Turkiye, not you nor PKK can take any portion of it from her. We should learn to live with the facts.

I agree, and I already told you I dont want land from turkey, All I want is our dignity back, the respect of what is left of our culture on our ancestral lands that are now being left to rot. I wan our Ararat back (no one lives there and it is unimportant to you, to us, it is our sacred mountain)

Hails

[KHAZARI]

IF RUSSIA TO INTERFERE SO USA ALSO TO INTREFERE .TO USA HAVE INTEREST IN CAUCASUS REGION DOND FORGET THIS POINT.

[irlandahay]

IF RUSSIA TO INTERFERE SO USA ALSO TO INTREFERE .TO USA HAVE INTEREST IN CAUCASUS REGION DOND FORGET THIS POINT.

Most likely they wont, they cant afford another Iraq I'm sorry but thats just stupid.

They most likely will try to sanction but it wont work, especially now since jewish support has shifted to us and since the democrats are now in power.

SO if there is a war, it will be us versus Azerbaijan, and once again we will win.
"To make it short, Azerbaijan will run out of young men before Armenia runs out of bullets."

[KHAZARI]

ןIRLANDAHAY USA NEVER TO LET RUSSIAN HEGEMONY IN CAUCASUS OR IN OTHER REGIONS IN THE WORL.

AND YOU ENTHUSIASTIC BEFORE THE WAR.TALK AFTER THE WAR(IF THIS TO HAPPED)

YOUR ANSWER VERY CHILDISH WAR ISN'T GAME PEOPLE ARE KILLING AND THE ECONOMY OF 2 THE COUNTY TO DAMAGE. THINK GOOD BEFORE YOU ASK WISH.

[irlandahay]

ןIRLANDAHAY USA NEVER TO LET RUSSIAN HEGEMONY IN CAUCASUS OR IN OTHER REGIONS IN THE WORL.

AND YOU ENTHUSIASTIC BEFORE THE WAR.TALK AFTER THE WAR(IF THIS TO HAPPED)

YOUR ANSWER VERY CHILDISH WAR ISN'T GAME PEOPLE ARE KILLING AND THE ECONOMY OF 2 THE COUNTY TO DAMAGE. THINK GOOD BEFORE YOU ASK WISH.

They didnt do anything in the first war and I doubt they will do much in this one.

It already happened and we are still around to be able to talk. let me tell you something, after the first war, the azeris begged for a cease fire because there was literally no soldiers between Artsakh and Baku.

I never said it was a game, I was saying that it seems like Alyev thinks it is because hes making constant threats at it.

[KHAZARI]

FIRST AZERBAICAN LOSE IN THIS WAR BECAUS SOME REASONS

1 THE AZERI ARE MUSLIMS AND NOT ENLIST TO SOVIET ARMY , THE ARMENIAN YES AND THIS WAS ADVANTAGE TO ARMENIAN WHO WAS MORE SKILL.

2 THE IRANIAN SUPPORT IN ARMENIAN BECAUS THEY FEAR FROM AZERI VICTORY WHO STARTED REBELLION IN SOUTH AZERBAYCAN.

3 THE RUSSIAN SUPPORT IN ARMENIAN BECAUSE THEY FEAR WHO AZERI VICTORY STARTED MUSLIM REBELLION IN NORTH CAUCASUS

TODAY THE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT THE AZERI ARMY MORE STRONGER AND MORE SKILL.

ANYWAY I HOPE WHO THIS CONFLICT SOLUTION IN PEACE.......

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Most likely they wont, they cant afford another Iraq I'm sorry but thats just stupid.

They most likely will try to sanction but it wont work, especially now since jewish support has shifted to us and since the democrats are now in power.

SO if there is a war, it will be us versus Azerbaijan, and once again we will win.
"To make it short, Azerbaijan will run out of young men before Armenia runs out of bullets."

That is not true, this time Turkiye will fight on Azarbaycan's side.

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I agree, and I already told you I dont want land from turkey, All I want is our dignity back, the respect of what is left of our culture on our ancestral lands that are now being left to rot. I wan our Ararat back (no one lives there and it is unimportant to you, to us, it is our sacred mountain)

Hails

You may think it otherwise but I do respect ermeni people. I used to write Armenia, Armenians etc but you konw how it goes, when I saw the way my Turk brothers ( all Turks Azeri and others included ) I decided to change it to ermenistan and ermeni. As you type turk and turkey....

And I do have ermeni friends, even employees. But I do hate racism, and whoever uses it...

And about Mt. Agri, I am sorry but I don't think you can take it back, and I am sure you can build wonderfull churches in ermenistan, the ones here are being restored, slowly but still do restored, and they will be used as museums.

[irlandahay]

You may think it otherwise but I do respect ermeni people. I used to write Armenia, Armenians etc but you konw how it goes, when I saw the way my Turk brothers ( all Turks Azeri and others included ) I decided to change it to ermenistan and ermeni. As you type turk and turkey....

And I do have ermeni friends, even employees. But I do hate racism, and whoever uses it...

And about Mt. Agri, I am sorry but I don't think you can take it back, and I am sure you can build wonderfull churches in ermenistan, the ones here are being restored, slowly but still do restored, and they will be used as museums.

huh? I write it turks and turkey because i'm too lazy to put caps...

And thats fine but personally I find it shameful to work for a turk, well not just any turk, a turk like you. It goes against my principles. You are a genocide denyer which means you spit on the memory of one of the oldest civilisations in history and you mock their attempted destruction, and that is what makes me a better person, that is why I would find it degradeing to work for you. No offense intended its just the way I see it.

I didnt say take it back. I said receive it back. You have this image of me as some kind of ignorant little kid but just because I enjoy insulting you some times on the internet doesnt say much about me. I dont believe an Armed conflict with turkey can ever be a good thing. But I sincerely hope for the sake of justice that your coutrey will one day come to terms with its past, and on that day, you will gladly return our holy mountain as a gesture of apology, and on that day, I will gladly open my arms and welcome turkey as my sister nation... until then you remain my mortal enemy and if one day my life is taken to take away that of a turk, then it will be the greatest death I can ask for.

restored? you restored one because of EU pressure and you turn the rest into porn palaces, dont think we are as ignorant as you are, we dont swallow all your government throws at us.

Hails

[irlandahay]

That is not true, this time Turkiye will fight on Azarbaycan's side.

you didnt provide any arguments... you just said said the same thing over and over...
dont post if your not going to add anything new

[Hosank]

i wasn't around a working computer for a week...

khazari...i know this is going way back...
but i did not say that you cannot be proud of being a turk, because all peoples around the world have the right to be proud of what ever they want
what i said was do not try to believe mordoth's pan-turkist lies. i mean, just try to follow the logic. this guy even thinks that american indians are turks too. he once told me that the turks were proud mongols, and now he says that the turks are from mesapotamia, and before that they were from anatolia. he just finds any bit of crap to fill his claim for land ownership over anatolia. that is the turkish way, always has been, to try to show that his culture is more advanced and more ancient than it really is, in order to try to snuffle a place with the rightful great peoples of the world..it's an identity complexe.

it is PROVEN that the summerians, and the hittites, and who ever else you want are not turkic, their language has nothing turkic and so on, and even after i proved this to mordoth, he still comes up and says the same thing. imagine hitting a tennis ball at a wall. it comes right back for more every time, just like mordoth.

and you know what? i have nothing against the turkic peoples uniting. i even think that far western china should seperate and join the turkic states. however, i believe that modern turkey is sitting right on the lands of countless peoples (many of which have been exterminated by them,) but others survive to this day...greeks, armenians,..bulgarians, Assyrians...

about artsax. you must understand that we armenians can no longer give concessions, because 3000 out of our 5 000 year old modern history has been all about 'concessions' ...armenia is tiny as it is, compared to the turkic giant. he have payed for artsax with our blood, in order to quench the thirst for blood that has lead do the deaths of 1.5 million of my countrymen from another turkic state.


do you really believe that the USA will interviene? lool, that is totally rediculous. the US is already mad at turkey because they invaded irak today, and what, the us will invade armenia or something? do you really think american tax payers or voters will go for that (especially with a strong armenian diaspora in there?) and what good will it give the US to invade armenia...we have no oil...

also, i don't think russia will proceed to an all out invasion of turkey in the event of war. russia only serves as a deterrant. turkey will only lose friends in a declaration of war against armenia...not because the world loves armenia, but because the world is pissed at turkey, and would not stand for a big neighboor invading a little one. (especially after...cyprus, irak..and all those other fun wars were turkey 'fought for the rights' of turks world wide). the world community will understand that enough is enough.

you said that azeris were not in the soviet army because of their religion. well you are wrong. the soviets did not believe in respect of religious freedom, and took everybody anyways. because of soviet fear of invasion through armenia by nato turkey, their high command assumed that armenia would be a battle ground, and thus placed most of their weapons stocks, airfields and so on, in azeri soil. so in other words. at the breakup of the soviet union, azerbaijan showed itself many times militarily superior in both numbers and equipment.

also you are wrong in saying that the armenians facing the azeri turks were professional soldiers, since up until 1993 90% of armenian troops were farmers, aged 15 to 60 fighting, for the most part with outdated hunting rifles. infact, some 85 to 90% of armenian weapons during the war was not supplied by russians (as most azeris like to spread the myth) but by azerbaijan itself (unwillingly of course).

russia supported azerbaijan from 1988( as the USSR) to 1993, when it was clear that the azeris were losing royally, and thus switched to supporting both sides (another fact that azeris don't like to admit)

armenia's economy has been under effective blocade since 1993, meaning that today, it's economy grows under the same conditions as those of war, and still the economy grows in the double numbers. in a war, it would hardly be armenia's economy that will be challenged, but rather that of the azeris, who's entire economy is based on the export of petrol to the west, through a pipeline that goes through the javax region of georgia (89% armenian population) and then through kurdish turkey.

i hope this clears up my point of view.

[KHAZARI]

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I watched on History channel a programme about relocated Turks of Russia. They started from Azarbaycan and went to China through a long trainway showing the places the deportees went. It really brought tears to my eyes Khazari. And the most stunning part was I understood each and every word of what they said, all of the documentary was shot at different locations and different Turkish people were on it and they were talking Turkish.

And their life styles were very similar to ours, their weddings, funreals etc..

Yes we will never forget.

[KHAZARI]

YES MY BROTHER PERSON WHO SPEAK KARAIM TURKISH CAN UNDERSTAND PERSON WHO SPEAK AZERI OR TURKEY TURKISH AND OUR TRATITIONS AND LIFE STYLE CLOSE TO OUR TURKISH BROTHERS. AND THE SOVIET GOVERMENT FEAR THAN TURKISM AND TRY TO LIQUIDATE THE TURKS WHO LIVE UNDER SOVIET CONTROL.......

BUT WE STILL HERE

[irlandahay]

I watched on History channel a programme about relocated Turks of Russia. They started from Azarbaycan and went to China through a long trainway showing the places the deportees went. It really brought tears to my eyes Khazari. And the most stunning part was I understood each and every word of what they said, all of the documentary was shot at different locations and different Turkish people were on it and they were talking Turkish.

And their life styles were very similar to ours, their weddings, funreals etc..

Yes we will never forget.

and yet you laugh when we speak of our dead, and you spit on their memories... why arrow?

I see now that you are capable of showing human emotion, so why not recognise the genocide because you know ti happened, take a step towards justice...

as for me, everyone suffered under soviet control, and it is truly sad what happened in those years.

Hails

[Hosank]

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were the people on the documentary turks from turkey or from the soviet union? and were they like, i donno, western turks (as in, not the kazaks, uzbeks and what ever)....
btw, would you be able to understan central asian turkic languages without prior exposure to them?

yesterday, i was chatting with bosnian girl from turkey, at my college, and she was saying that she could probably somewhat understand azeri turkish, but she would have alot of difficulty. (and she doesn't know what a gagauz turk is, so i don't know about that)...

[Hosank]

FIRST ALL THE TURKIC COUNTRIES SHOULD TO RECOGNIZE IN NORTHEN CYPRUS AS COUNTRY .

lol, so far, besides turkey, naxichevan autonomous oblast of azerbaijan has recognised it. they want azerbaijan as a whole to recognise it as a whole, but alyiev is smart enough to decline that idea, because he knows that cyprus will then recognise artsax as a republic.

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were the people on the documentary turks from turkey or from the soviet union? and were they like, i donno, western turks (as in, not the kazaks, uzbeks and what ever)....
btw, would you be able to understan central asian turkic languages without prior exposure to them?

yesterday, i was chatting with bosnian girl from turkey, at my college, and she was saying that she could probably somewhat understand azeri turkish, but she would have alot of difficulty. (and she doesn't know what a gagauz turk is, so i don't know about that)...

Yes they were the ones moved by stalin and they were Asian looking. Your Bosnian friend can understand other dialects if she gives it a little time. Even a few hours can make the difference.

[Hosank]

she says she can barely understand kurds speak turkish. but yah, i understand. a friend of mine, is armenian, who speaks both turkish and russian (as well as armenian of course), and he says that he could understand azeri turkish quite well, and read it..since he can read russian (as can i).
but from what i understood turkic languages are devided into western and eastern linguistic groups. so i am asking if you could understand speakers from uzbekistan, or kazakstan?

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she says she can barely understand kurds speak turkish. but yah, i understand. a friend of mine, is armenian, who speaks both turkish and russian (as well as armenian of course), and he says that he could understand azeri turkish quite well, and read it..since he can read russian (as can i).
but from what i understood turkic languages are devided into western and eastern linguistic groups. so i am asking if you could understand speakers from uzbekistan, or kazakstan?

Kazaks use Russian a lot. When they do speak Turkish I do understand them as the rest of the Turks. There are differences ofcourse but that is like a Jamaican or african american or a paki speaking english. Not huge differences. Do you remember how Gagavuz wrote some words in his tounge, I could even read them easily.

An old lady here has a nurse from Ozbekistan, she speaks Turkish with us and her family but all her papers are russian.

[KHAZARI]

I KNOW ONE GUY FROM AZERBAICAN AND HIM TOLD ME WHO HIM VISIT IN UZBEKISTAN AND KAZAKHSTAN.HIM UNDERSTAND THE UZBEK DIALECT BUT WITH THE KAZAKH THIS MORE HARD TO HIM UNDERSTAND.

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I KNOW ONE GUY FROM AZERBAICAN AND HIM TOLD ME WHO HIM VISIT IN UZBEKISTAN AND KAZAKHSTAN.HIM UNDERSTAND THE UZBEK DIALECT BUT WITH THE KAZAKH THIS MORE HARD TO HIM UNDERSTAND.

Indeed, it is harder becouse of the russian influence was stronger over there.

[Hosank]

yes, but between gagauz, azeris, blugarian and anatolian turks, i am sure that it is not hard to understand, considering they are basically dialects, and very close to eachother, but the kazaks and uzbeks and xirgiz are far. i mean, i hardly speak turkish well enough to understand any dialects, but i doubt that over 1000 years of separation that the turkish language in the west is still largely comprehensible with the turkic tounges of the east. i mean, if you speak modern french, you could hardly understand anything said in middle french, and the french didn't exactly migrate half way around the world.

anatolian turkish has a lot of persian, arabic grammar and vocabulary. central asian turkic languages, as you pointed out, must have alot of russian dialects, and turkic words that are considered obsolete in ottoman turkish. i am sure that the languages are close, and that with some time learning it, you will be able to speak them, but they are not 1 language. it's not like you can say that anatolian turkish and the languages of the central asian plaines constitute one language, called turkish, but rather that anatolian, azeri, gagauz, turkomen, balklan turkish are dialects of a same language called turkish, which are in turn part of a larger linguistic family known as turkic languages which encompass, also the central asian languages. somewhat like what english, dutch and danish are to german.

correct me if im wrong, im sure you are the experts on this, i am just speculating.

[KHAZARI]

HOSANK THE MODERN BULGARIAN NO SPEAK TURKIC DIALECT BUT IN THE PAST THEY WAS TURKS MUSLIM WHO MIGRATE TO EUROPE AND CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY AND TO ASSIMILATE INTO LOCAL PEOPLE THEY LOST THE TURKIC LANGUAGE AND TODAY THEY NOT ARE TURKS.BTW THE BULGARIANS BELONG IN THE PAST TO KHAZAR EMPIRE. AND THEY LANGUAGE WAS VERY SIMILAR TO KHAZAR TURKIC DIALECT.

AND UZBEK MORE CLOSER TO TURKISH THAN KAZAKH,

IN TURKISH DIALECT;BEN SENI SEVIYORUM

IN UZBEK; MEN SENI SEVIYORUM

IN KAZAKH;MEN SENI SOYUM(THIS MEAN I LOVE YOUׁ) YOU SEE THE UZBEK DIALECT BELONG TO OGHUZ AND THE KAZAKH BELONG TO KIPCHAK .

[Hosank]

the modern bulgarian language is indo european, and not turkic.
and i am not takling about the bulgarians, i am talking about the small ethnic minority of turks that live in bulgaria, who emigrated from the ottoman empire some 150 years ago.

and just because they are similar does not make them ONE language. for instance, you can find many phrases in german that resemble english, and are often indistinguishable, how ever they are 2 seperate languaged, but part of the same germanic language group of the indo-european family.

[KHAZARI]

WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT...I MEAN TO ANCIENT BULGARIAN LANGUAGE NO THE MODERN BULGARIAN LANGUAGE....AND I NEVER HEARD ABOUT BLUGARIAN...I KNOW WHO IN BULGARIA HAVE AROUND 10 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION ARE TURKS.

[KHAZARI]

HERE SOME COMPARE BETWEEN VARIOUS TURKIC DIALECT

KARACAY AND TURKISH

Turkish-Iyi
Karacay-Igi
Turkish-Ben
Karacay-Men
Turkish-Git
Karacay-Ket
Turkish-Soylemek
Karacay-Soles
Turkish-Yuru
Karacay-Curu
Turkish-Yel
Karacay-Cel

TURKISH-UYGHUR-ENGLISH

buz-muz-ice
ben-men-I
dag-tagh-mountain
sari-serikh-yellow
tanri-tengri-god
göz-köz-eye
ve-we-and
senin-sening-your



kuchuk-kichik-small

chok-kop-very, many

o-u-that, he, she, it

kach-kanche-how many, how much

soguk-soghuk-cold

karpuz-tavuz-watermelon

zeytin-zeytun-olive

WOW I SEE WHO OUR KARAIM TURKISH VERY SIMILAR TO UYGHUR LANGUAGE


TURKISH AND AZERI


Turkish-iyi

Azeri-Yakshi



Turkish-shimdi

Azeri-indi



Turkish-Musafir

Azeri-Gonaq



Turkish-Kach

Azeri-Necha



ayi-eyikh-bear

eshek-ishek-donkey
gel-kel-come

[Hosank]

right, so basically we are in agreement.

what you showed me was a list of words that have similar meaning and slightly similar pronounciasions in various turkIC LANGUAGES, not dialects. i am sure what when, i donno, an uzbek talks quickly, you will not be able to understand that when he says "Men", that in your language, it would be 'ben', and so on.

for instance, in german, to say dog, we say "hund" in english, there is a word a"hound". see, they are very similar, but never the less, german and english are 2 different modern languaged, but are none the less related. a german speaker does not necessarely understand an english speaker, and vice versa, just like when an uzbek speaks his language, an azeri would not understand what he says, but would see some similarities in the language.

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right, so basically we are in agreement.

what you showed me was a list of words that have similar meaning and slightly similar pronounciasions in various turkIC LANGUAGES, not dialects. i am sure what when, i donno, an uzbek talks quickly, you will not be able to understand that when he says "Men", that in your language, it would be 'ben', and so on.

for instance, in german, to say dog, we say "hund" in english, there is a word a"hound". see, they are very similar, but never the less, german and english are 2 different modern languaged, but are none the less related. a german speaker does not necessarely understand an english speaker, and vice versa, just like when an uzbek speaks his language, an azeri would not understand what he says, but would see some similarities in the language.

They are the same language and this is from a guy that spoke to the poeple of the nations you mentioned. Not the Ozbeks though.

[Hosank]

being able to comprehend the probable meaning of one word out of 3 does not make it the same language.
according to this anatolian turkish is a different language from say uzbek, or kazak, or what ever, though they are all part of one language FAMILY...just like french, portugese spanish romanian and italian are latin languages, german english, norse and dutch are germanic languages and so on..

[KHAZARI]

HOSANK OUR KARAY LANGUAGE IS KEEP ON MANY CHARACTERISTIC ARCHAIC FROM THE OLD TURKISH.AND ARE MORE CLOSER TO THE ANCIENT TURKISH THAN THE MODERN TURKISH. AND ONE KARAY WHO VISIT IN ISTANBUL TOLD ME WHO HIM CAN UNDERSTAND THE TURKIYE DIALECT BUT
THIS NEED BE VERY PATIENT .

BTW ARROW I MEET ONE GUY FROM IZMIR AND HIM SAY WHO THE TURKS FROM THE VILLAGE CAN'T SPEAK TRUTH TURKISH... WHAT THIS MEAN.? HAVE DIFFERENT DIALECT BETWEEN WESTERN TURKIYE AND ANATOLIA.?

[KHAZARI]

THIS STORY IN TURKISH VERSION AND UZBEK VERSION

TURKISH

Bana Inanmiyorsun Da...

Bir gun sevmedigi bir komsusu Nasreddin Hoca'nin kapisini caldi; bir gunlugune esegini kendisine vermesini rica etti. Hoca:

- Esek evde yok, dedi.

Tam sozunu bitirmisti ki ahirdan esegin sesi yukseldi. Hoca'nin komsusu:

- Koca, dedi, bunu sana hic yakistiramadim. Yaziklar olsun, esek burada oldugu halde yalan soyluyor, bana "yok" diyorsun. Iste anirip duruyor mubarek.

Hoca hidettle cevap verdi:

- Sen ne acayip adamsin yahu! Asil sana yaziklar olsun. Bir esegin cikardigi sese inaniyorsun da benim gibi ak sakalli bir adamin sozune inanmiyorsun.


UZBEK


Manga Ixenmeywatipsene ...

Bir küni, yahxi körmeydigen bir hoxnasi, nasirdin hojanin ixigini kakip, exegini birkünlik arindige(otnige) berixini sorapti.

Hoja:

- Exek öyde yok, dedi.

Sözini tügetipturixi bilen, öyinin arka hoylasidin exegnin hangirgan avazi ixitilinipti. Hojanin hoxnasi:

- Hoja, buni sizge hiq yakixtirmadim, mana yokdep yalgan söyliyapsiz.

Hoja derhalla jawap berdi:

- Sen keneke ademsen ya, özeng hijalet bolgin, bir exeknin qikargan awaziga ixenipwatipsen, mendek bir ak sakallik ademnin sözige ixenmeywatipsenhe.

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HOSANK OUR KARAY LANGUAGE IS KEEP ON MANY CHARACTERISTIC ARCHAIC FROM THE OLD TURKISH.AND ARE MORE CLOSER TO THE ANCIENT TURKISH THAN THE MODERN TURKISH. AND ONE KARAY WHO VISIT IN ISTANBUL TOLD ME WHO HIM CAN UNDERSTAND THE TURKIYE DIALECT BUT
THIS NEED BE VERY PATIENT .

BTW ARROW I MEET ONE GUY FROM IZMIR AND HIM SAY WHO THE TURKS FROM THE VILLAGE CAN'T SPEAK TRUTH TURKISH... WHAT THIS MEAN.? HAVE DIFFERENT DIALECT BETWEEN WESTERN TURKIYE AND ANATOLIA.?

Yes there are differences but no you can easily understand each other. Maybe he meant that they spoke Kurdish?

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being able to comprehend the probable meaning of one word out of 3 does not make it the same language.
according to this anatolian turkish is a different language from say uzbek, or kazak, or what ever, though they are all part of one language FAMILY...just like french, portugese spanish romanian and italian are latin languages, german english, norse and dutch are germanic languages and so on..

Yea but those are differnt languages while we are speaking of Turkish in general. The written language differs while they sound all the same.

[Hosank]

well, german, dutch and english sound the same.

danish and sweedish sound the same, portugese, spanish, catalan and italian sounds the same.


in other words, according to you, saying 'azeris and uzbeks both speak turkish' is like saying 'germans and ukranians both speak european'.