East Kurdistan and South Azerbaycan - Colonies Options

[Dîrî]

It is paramount that every nation be freed from the chains of COLONIALISM!

Any struggle against colonialism is LEGITIMATE:

In session XXV in 1970, the UN General Assembly for the first time spoke of \"the inherent right of all colonised peoples... to use all the necessary means at their disposal to struggle against the colonial power which oppresses their striving for freedom and independence\".

Three years later, an explicit recognition of the right to wage armed struggle was passed by the UN. A series of resolutions passed by the UN General Assembly legitimized the use of force in armed struggle. The most signicant of those resolutions was passed in December 1973, despite resistance from 13 Western states. Entitled \"The fundamental Principles of the Legal Status of Combatants who Struggle Against Colonial or Foreign Rule as well as Against Racist Regimes\", the resolution stated:

1. The struggle of the people under colonial or foreign rule or under a racist regime to gain their rights to self-determination and independence is legitimate and in full agreement with the principles of the Rights of Peoples.

2. All attempts to suppress the struggle against colonial or foreign rule or against a racist regime are incompatible with the Charter of the United Nations, the Principles of the Rights of Peoples, the Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and such attempts pose a threat to international peace and security.\"

http://rastibini.blogspot.com/

[Azertos]

ohh my my, Perso buddy, what do you have to say about this???
aah i know Persian, things look kinda bad , don't you think??

[Persian]

ohh my my, Perso buddy, what do you have to say about this???
aah i know Persian, things look kinda bad , don't you think??

only for you. although I dont know what your talking about.



nice art work by the way. do you have any proof for your claims of colonies. im sure you can find some hate sites to back your claim up .

Diri, go to Iran, if you can, and tell kurds that they are not Iranian.

You will get punched in the face. Azertos i suggest you do the same thing, only this time to azeris. Actually you might as well put yourself in a casket, it will save them time.

[Dîrî]

[b]LONG LIVE EAST KURDISTAN AND SOUTH AZERBAYCAN!

[BIGTURK]

Pers, why dont you go to Majority Kurd areas of Iran and tell a Kurd they are Iranian (Persian) and you'll get more than a Punch in the Face

Go to a majority Azeri area of Iran and tell them they are Persian (Iranian) and you'll be put in that casket you speak of and thrown off Babek Kala

As my Abi Sohrab said in the last post

The Persian domination of the majority people cannot last forever, no minority can rule a majority for very long if it doesnt accept them, give them their rights and make them feel a part of the nation. Look at South Africa, minority Whites ruled non whites but they dont today do they Pers.

[Dîrî]

I don't know about the Azeri - but the Kurds - don't wanna be part of Iran... The whole concept is as flawed as it can get...

Kurdish nationalism, Azeri nationalism, Persian nationalism, Arab nationalism, Baloch Nationalism... WHO ARE WE KIDDING? This "country" would fall apart within 12 days if DEMOCRACY is applied... That is what they call it when:

THE PEOPLE CALL THE SHOTS!

[BIGTURK]

Azeri's are infuriated by the FAKE PERSIAN MOLLAH'S who USE AND ABUSE ISLAM to their POLLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

How can Persian Government support and fund Karabag and the slaughter of their so called Muslim brothers who are a majority in Iran and then have the CHEEK AND AUDACITY to say, hey were all Persians and Iranians.

I mean they dont even recognise Azerbeycan for goodness sake.

Pers why does Turkey support Azerbeycan? yeah u guessed it, cos were the same people thats why.

Sohrab has a very strong point which no1 has been able to discredit yet, in a region where a population are a high majority why should they not have power over their affairs? now b4 u get in a huff and a puff Pers this doesnt mean we shud seperate Iran to 12 pieces, if the different regions had a share of power wouldn't everybody be happy and would this increase the feeling of brotherhood?

If this mess was sorted out in WW1 the region would have had no wars and been so properous. Turks/Azeri Turks/Kasgay Turks/Turkmen had their land, Kurds had their land, Persians had their land there would be no arguments today and we would REALLY be brothers.

Its a shame we ever allowed Churchill into the region, and that Faggot of Arabia and the Shah Poodle of Britain.

[Persian]

okay BT, I think we all know what your views are:
http://middleeastinfo.org/forum/viewtopic....8ff7d2ced0c5650

why do you keep repeating the same old thing?

[Dîrî]

A quote from Parseks link... Can be found in the first reply to Parseks post!

The Sassanians are one of history's most enigmatic dynasties. Dr. Kaveh Farrokh has written the first book to be ever written exclusively about the Savaran (elite knights) of Sassanian Persia.

Let us prove once and for all that the Sasanî weren't Persian at all:

1 of 10) Parsek - TELL ME WHAT "SAVARAN" means...

The other 9 will come - as soon as you have answered that one question... And no cheating - if it is Persian - let us have it - what does it mean? (I know you don't know what it means - because it is Kurdish...)

[Dîrî]

A quote from Parseks link... Can be found in the first reply to Parseks post!

The Sassanians are one of history's most enigmatic dynasties. Dr. Kaveh Farrokh has written the first book to be ever written exclusively about the Savaran (elite knights) of Sassanian Persia.

Let us prove once and for all that the Sasanî weren't Persian at all:

1 of 10) Parsek - TELL ME WHAT "SAVARAN" means...

The other 9 will come - as soon as you have answered that one question... And no cheating - if it is Persian - let us have it - what does it mean? (I know you don't know what it means - because it is Kurdish...) I am not JUST refering to what the word MEANS - but WHAT is IT'S ROOT...

[Baku87]

I agree free the people of Iran, free the Kurds and Azeri, all you Persian you is misabuse other cultures and change their roots and values.

[Pasha26]

Salam alaikum,

Brothers, there's no difference between kurdi, turki, azeri, fars, arab, etc. etc. .. these thoughts of racism is all wrong and bad. In Iran we are family, who says azeri wants to not be Iranian? LOL WE ARE IRANIAN. Which kurdistan are you guys from?

I have kurdish friends too , iranian ones, none of them say such things. In Iran nobody goes to tell a kurdish person he is persian, who says that?

Have you been to Turkey? in Turkey they have big signs in Kurdish area's that say "how lucky it is to be a Turk" Imagine how insulting that is???

I don't know where is east kurdistan, but if the kurds in Kurdestan Iran, don't want to be Iranian, then fine that's their choice, but Azeri's are always Iranian, it's like saying Turkish people are no longer turkish anymore and have to become greek when they join the european union.

[Jam]

[b]LONG LIVE EAST KURDISTAN AND SOUTH AZERBAYCAN!

Diri there is no Kurdistan! IT IS CALLED IRAN!

By the way do you still consider that all Iranic language speakers in Turkey are Kurdish???

LONG LIVE ZAZAISTAN AND PERSIA!

[kurdistani]

Diri there is no Kurdistan! IT IS CALLED IRAN!

By the way do you still consider that all Iranic language speakers in Turkey are Kurdish???

LONG LIVE ZAZAISTAN AND PERSIA!

Zazas have the right to choice if they want to be regared as Kurdish or as their own ethnicity. Kirmanji speaking Kurds must respect that.

As for the word Zazaistan. I have no problem with its use... but there is also a Kurdistan. It is an official region in Iran and in Iraq....

[Jam]

Zazas have the right to choice if they want to be regared as Kurdish or as their own ethnicity. Kirmanji speaking Kurds must respect that.

As for the word Zazaistan. I have no problem with its use... but there is also a Kurdistan. It is an official region in Iran and in Iraq....

What do you mean with Kirmanji? Did you mean Kurmanji (Kurdish) or Kirmancki (Zazaki)? Kurds are the ones who are becoming more and more ignorant and racist against other minority groups such as Zazas, Turkmens in Iraq and Shabaks.

[kurdistani]

What do you mean with Kirmanji? Did you mean Kurmanji (Kurdish) or Kirmancki (Zazaki)? Kurds are the ones who are becoming more and more ignorant and racist against other minority groups such as Zazas, Turkmens in Iraq and Shabaks.

Kurmanji- Northern Kurdish not Zazaki-Dilimi

I don't thşnk you know what the situation is Iraq is like.
1. I am a Shabak and I am a proud Kurd. There are some Shabaks that see themselves as non-Kurdish (they are Alevis of a sort) but only a small number. Most Bajalani and Shabaki regard themselves as Kurds.
2.As for the Turkoman in Iraq, they have Turkish language schools, media and political parties that are free to opperate. This is much more than Zazas have in Turkey.
3.What do you mean that Kurds are becoming more ignorant?
4.If fully support the right of national self determination for Zazas, if they want to be regarded as Kurds thats fine, if they want to be regarded as Turks thats fine and if they want to be regarded as their own national group, that is their right too... I am not forcing anything on you... So I would hope that you would not force anything on me either.... or promote racist language against Kurds... Kurds and Zazas have both been opporessed by the state... Alevi Zazas have been double oppressed by the state (for being non Turk) and by Sunni tribes for being non Sunni... Kurds should recognise this and respect the Zaza peoples wishes. But hating on Kurds gets no one anywhere.

[Jam]

Kurmanji- Northern Kurdish not Zazaki-Dilimi

I don't thşnk you know what the situation is Iraq is like.
1. I am a Shabak and I am a proud Kurd. There are some Shabaks that see themselves as non-Kurdish (they are Alevis of a sort) but only a small number. Most Bajalani and Shabaki regard themselves as Kurds.
2.As for the Turkoman in Iraq, they have Turkish language schools, media and political parties that are free to opperate. This is much more than Zazas have in Turkey.
3.What do you mean that Kurds are becoming more ignorant?
4.If fully support the right of national self determination for Zazas, if they want to be regarded as Kurds thats fine, if they want to be regarded as Turks thats fine and if they want to be regarded as their own national group, that is their right too... I am not forcing anything on you... So I would hope that you would not force anything on me either.... or promote racist language against Kurds... Kurds and Zazas have both been opporessed by the state... Alevi Zazas have been double oppressed by the state (for being non Turk) and by Sunni tribes for being non Sunni... Kurds should recognise this and respect the Zaza peoples wishes. But hating on Kurds gets no one anywhere.

Wow you are the first Kurd ever who used that word Zaza and not Zazaki speaking Kurd. It is right that we have been double oppressed I can read in those Turkish fashist websites that Dersim is the most hated city in Turkey. There is 1 Turkish soldier for each resident in Dersim. We have checkpoints everywhere in Dersim.

I just don't understand why some Kurds want to include everbody in Kurdish. This website is an example and I know many Kurds who do not want to accept the Zaza identity. We do accept Kurds but you guys don't accept us that's why I call Kurds ignorant. By the way after some days Kurds here will call me Bozkurt or MHP'li since I'm not Kurdish They think everyone who speaks an Iranic language and is not kurdish must be a racist Turk.

http://f51.parsimony.net/forum204355/messages/6245.htm

[Jam]

Kurmanji- Northern Kurdish not Zazaki-Dilimi

I don't thşnk you know what the situation is Iraq is like.
1. I am a Shabak and I am a proud Kurd. There are some Shabaks that see themselves as non-Kurdish (they are Alevis of a sort) but only a small number. Most Bajalani and Shabaki regard themselves as Kurds.
2.As for the Turkoman in Iraq, they have Turkish language schools, media and political parties that are free to opperate. This is much more than Zazas have in Turkey.
3.What do you mean that Kurds are becoming more ignorant?
4.If fully support the right of national self determination for Zazas, if they want to be regarded as Kurds thats fine, if they want to be regarded as Turks thats fine and if they want to be regarded as their own national group, that is their right too... I am not forcing anything on you... So I would hope that you would not force anything on me either.... or promote racist language against Kurds... Kurds and Zazas have both been opporessed by the state... Alevi Zazas have been double oppressed by the state (for being non Turk) and by Sunni tribes for being non Sunni... Kurds should recognise this and respect the Zaza peoples wishes. But hating on Kurds gets no one anywhere.

According to this website http://www.lexicorient.com/e.o/shabak.htm shabaks are Turkomans but speak Zazaki.

HISTORY
17th century: Probable immigration of the Shabak from Persia into the Nineveh plain of Mesopotamia.
1952: The Shabak is recognized as a distinct ethnic group.
1980's: About 22 villages, 3000 families are dislocated to the north of Iraq.
2003: Kurdish troops move into Shabak areas, and come to define them as "Kurd Shabaks."
2005: Shabaks demonstrate for being treated as an independent group. Gunmen from the KDP shoot at the crowd, injuring several.

[kurdistani]

Wow you are the first Kurd ever who used that word Zaza and not Zazaki speaking Kurd. It is right that we have been double oppressed I can read in those Turkish fashist websites that Dersim is the most hated city in Turkey. There is 1 Turkish soldier for each resident in Dersim. We have checkpoints everywhere in Dersim.

I just don't understand why some Kurds want to include everbody in Kurdish. This website is an example and I know many Kurds who do not want to accept the Zaza identity. We do accept Kurds but you guys don't accept us that's why I call Kurds ignorant. By the way after some days Kurds here will call me Bozkurt or MHP'li since I'm not Kurdish They think everyone who speaks an Iranic language and is not kurdish must be a racist Turk.

http://f51.parsimony.net/forum204355/messages/6245.htm

Ethnic identity is not fixed - there ar some Zazas that see themselves as Kurds - there are some that don't - as a Shebek and not a Zaza- I don't have any role in defining what you guys want to define yourself as. I know many Zaza speaking Sunnis that are very militant Kurdish nationalist- I also know some Zaza that regard themselves as Turks and some as Zazas... So it is a mixed picture. But it is not for me to impose Kurdishness on you....

But I can tell you however that I am a Shebek - I regard myself as a Kurd first... I speak Bajalani - a language related to Zaza- but I also regard myself as Kurdish and speak Kurdish.
Maybe we have Turkman blood in us - but we have stuffered with our Kurdish brothers.. So that is who I feel contected to...

[Jam]

Ethnic identity is not fixed - there ar some Zazas that see themselves as Kurds - there are some that don't - as a Shebek and not a Zaza- I don't have any role in defining what you guys want to define yourself as. I know many Zaza speaking Sunnis that are very militant Kurdish nationalist- I also know some Zaza that regard themselves as Turks and some as Zazas... So it is a mixed picture. But it is not for me to impose Kurdishness on you....

But I can tell you however that I am a Shebek - I regard myself as a Kurd first... I speak Bajalani - a language related to Zaza- but I also regard myself as Kurdish and speak Kurdish.
Maybe we have Turkman blood in us - but we have stuffered with our Kurdish brothers.. So that is who I feel contected to...

As long as you don't consider yourself as a Turk everything is OK. I don't have a problem if you see yourself as a Kurd and second as a Shabak. I just hate Kurds, who say that Zazas are Kurds. There is not much difference between some Kurds and Turks.

[kurdistani]

As long as you don't consider yourself as a Turk everything is OK. I don't have a problem if you see yourself as a Kurd and second as a Shabak. I just hate Kurds, who say that Zazas are Kurds. There is not much difference between some Kurds and Turks.

Well that is understandable... Kurds are oppressed by Turks.. and in turn they have oppressed many Alevi-Zazas. But you have to know that many Sunni Zazas regard themselves as Turks or Kurds.. right? Religion as well as language is key in defining the Zaza nation...

[median_empire]

Well that is understandable... Kurds are oppressed by Turks.. and in turn they have oppressed many Alevi-Zazas. But you have to know that many Sunni Zazas regard themselves as Turks or Kurds.. right? Religion as well as language is key in defining the Zaza nation...

You can Say what you want but noone knows what zaza is or what Zazastan is! Zaza is knowen as Kurdish Zazas Are Kurds and will allways be Kurds! only a traitor part of them as you say we Are not Kurds. Zazas are close to hawrami and Gorani Kurds so shut up. Dersim/Silverdoor is allways Kurdistan allways