A Kurdish Historian Reveals Important Facts About The Kurds History, translated from arabic into english by Ashur Bet-Shlimon Options

[Rumtaya]

A Kurdish Historian Reveals Important Facts About The Kurds History


I find myself obliged to engage in this dark period of our nation’s history in our beloved homeland Iraq. Personally, I try to not drag myself to what is happening in our homeland, but I see myself at eighty years old, and as I said forced , because it is my duty to say even a little bit about what I believe in and think off which is a priority.

I am well aware that, there are many who will accuse me by variety of indictments which became a trade mark in this day and age. But, I don’t be afraid to say a word of fairness to an accuser or an outraged with grudge and ignorance. I am not going to discuss any historical subjects as when I used to lecture the scientific historical subjects, but I will open the discussion in the simplest way in order to be understood by all.

At outset, I love to address all the Iraqis, that those who try to be called leaders of the Kurdish people; actually, they represent only themselves and their followers who are a minority in the Kurdish society as a whole. Furthermore, nobody will depend on them, but sorry to say, they are exploiting the weak points in our people by playing on the sensitive issues in order to gain special political profits and to satisfy their masters, i.e., the Americans.

The Kurds generally speaking are a very simple and primitive people in every sense of the word, which correspondence with its ethics, its treatments, its heritage, its history, its culture and etc. If we have a broader picture with a scrutiny of the Kurdish history, we will find that it is very simple and easy history. If we need to prepare any historical and scientific data, it needs only a few pages. Thus, by saying this is not a sham or degrading our Kurdish people, because it is the status of all the naive people in our contemporary known area’s history of the Middle East.

On the contrary, we could say that about the civilized and influenced people with the rest of the world, and the other nationalities and neighbours, a case in point , the Persians, the Arabs, the Turks , and if we go further a little bit to include the Indians and the Chinese .

What we would like to say, is that our Kurdish people never possessed a direct or indirect influence on their surrounding people. And even on the other people and nationalities of the rest of the world. Which it is a fundamental criterion of a naive and isolated people, due to the hard geographical nature where they dwelled. Thus should be clear enough that such hard and fortified geographical nature was going to be the first lines of defence of the civilization, if there were any remaining traces of such civilization, i.e., buildings, culture or the folk heritage, furthermore, where the scientific facts must be laid down, because the Kurdish people never have anything to present to the neighbouring nations.

While knowing that the traces/artefacts of the Assyrian civilization ( which are present in the area ) still stand there where it was preserved from vanishing by the nature, due to many reasons , the most importantly the distance, and rugged area that is not easy to be reached by the invaders through the ages . In addition of that, the dominant material in use was the stone and not the clay as it is the situation with some other ancient civilizations. Where we never have any traces of a Kurdish civilization per say and what I mean is about the situation before the arrival of Islam in the region.

There are some today who try to convince themselves with a fancy idea that there was a Kurdish civilization once upon a time under the Ayyubid state. The Ayyubid state/ الايوبية الدولة was an Islamic and not a Kurdish state, but its leaders and founders were of the Kurdish ethnicity that functioned as Muslims only. Thus such factor could be added to Islam because it never discriminates between the Arabs and the other nationalities.

There is a very important and a sensitive point could do some nausea that there was many Kurdish families and tribes who were very influential in the Kurdish society, knowingly that these were from an Arab origin, a case in point the Talabanese and Berezendjis. But these tribes infiltrated the area for other purposes for instance for a religion advice and guidance , and by the passing time such tribes were Kurdified , and if the Arabs and Muslims were discriminators and chauvinists , do you think they will permit these tribes to be Kurdified by changing their language and nationalism?

After the introduction of Islam into the area and by applying the language /writing, where it was very clear that the Kurds never had any writing script before, but there was only a spoken language and such is one quality/ criterion of the primitive and simplistic society.
Now on, the Kurds started learning the Arabic script and tried to implement it in writing their own language in order to preserve their heritage and this is one of the good deeds of the Islamic expansion in the region.

After that the Kurdish people started to blend with other people and started to be influenced by them – of course increased their influence as I said because it was a very naive society – then the Kurds started their incursion in the other Islamic regions with ease and freedom because they belong to the same Islamic nation .

The Kurds never experience any obstacles, because Islam as we said is a religion that doesn’t discriminate between nationalities. In spite of all of this, we never find or heard of any trace which we will be able as Kurds to claim to be a pure Kurdish civilized heritage.
This situation continued up to date, except some poetic verses that belong lately to the Kurdish poets.

In conclusion, there is no a poetic distinguished pattern, also there is no any distinguished architect, no complete language, and there is no any popular folklore which will differentiate the Kurdish people …. Etc.

What I am trying to convey now is, that the Kurds try to make the world aware that they are people of civilization, science, heritage, and all these claims that never existed historically and without a scientific proof. Here, I am not trying to degrade my people or myself, but a scientific researcher must be truthful and honest.

And what I am afraid off, is that they may transform the Kurdish people to the case of the JEWS in Palestine with a leadership that lead them to the abyss, and they will use the Kurdish people firstly to fight their enemy – I mean the Jewish and the American enemy – all that on the naive Kurdish sacrifices which they are forced to do.

Mr. Abdullah Ocalan once said, “A Kurdish state as that of Israel is refuted period “now, we could imagine why Mr. Ocalan is welcomed in a prison while others are received in the black house!! We the scholars and our educators’ colleagues- who are familiar with their hidden agenda – against their projects which are designed to tremble the whole region, as it is happening now in the Zionist entity where there are many Jewish people against the International Zionism colonization and in support of the Palestinian people.

Now, there is another and a very important point that I would like to make it clear, that the term which they are using nowadays by calling the region as ‘Kurdistan’. Whenever it is used while I am the son of that area, I feel with disgust and nausea for what such term is referring to as a very hateful and discriminatory measure.

What made them to choose such name (Kurdistan) where by doing it; it means they are deleting the presence of many nationalities on the ground as the Assyrians, the Yezidis, the Chaldeans, the Arabs, the Turcoman/Turkomans and others. Is this a justification to deal with our people? And I would like to give a very simple example, if the state of Iraq’s name was the Arab Iraq (as it is the case in Syria and Egypt and else where) do you think the Kurds will accept such name? I will answer on their behalf: No, and with a solid rejection.

Then, why we demand from the other nationalities which they share our inhabitant in the same region to accept something we rejected ourselves in the first place? And this is another element of similarity with the Zionist entity that created a prejudice state based on discrimination according to its name and its deeds.

-A.D. Umar Miran , born 1924 in Shaqlawa, Erbel - Iraq
- B.S. in Law, Baghdad University 1946
- PhD, 1952 from Sorbonne University, Paris - France, in history of the Middle Eastern people.
- A visiting Professor in many Universities world wide.


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your thoughts?

[Kurd-BOSS]

This guy is infamous in Kurdish society for collaborating with the Jashes and getting tons of money from former Iraqi governments for writing his 'hyperscientific' studies.


And who have we got again posting any rubbish he believes when it is negative about the Kurds?

Exactly, Dumbtaya

[Rumtaya]

This guy is infamous in Kurdish society for collaborating with the Jashes and getting tons of money from former Iraqi governments for writing his 'hyperscientific' studies.
And who have we got again posting any rubbish he believes when it is negative about the Kurds?

Exactly, Dumbtaya

Its really sad to see that you got personal, but what should I except from you...

Well, you think that when saying there is no evidance for a kurdish culture or empire to be nonses then you really need to go and fly to northern Iraq and visit the history sides.

Why is it negative? I dont see any negative thing in beeing just honest

Now he is a baath? Well, the brother of Mustafa Barzani also went to work with the baathis...yet you like to put Assyrians into baath lovers...strange strange, whereeas it was your leaders who seeked the help of turks and baath to kill eachother...maintaining their tribal "kingdoms".

[Danno]

This guy is infamous in Kurdish society for collaborating with the Jashes and getting tons of money from former Iraqi governments for writing his 'hyperscientific' studies.
And who have we got again posting any rubbish he believes when it is negative about the Kurds?

Exactly, Dumbtaya

lol

[Kurd-BOSS]

Its really sad to see that you got personal, but what should I except from you...

Well, you think that when saying there is no evidance for a kurdish culture or empire to be nonses then you really need to go and fly to northern Iraq and visit the history sides.

Why is it negative? I dont see any negative thing in beeing just honest

Why don't you be honest about creating a culture for yourself, and claiming to be in your ancestral homeland for 20000 years?
In fact, the Assyrians have adopted Kurdish culture a lot. Their dresses, their kitchen and much more.
You do not have a single language because many of you claim to be Chaldean, then it is Suryani, Then it is Nestorian, then it is suryoyo or whatever.

And about the 'evidence' , well there are thousands of archeological sites in Kurdistan such as Mir Castles.
And there is no such thing as Assyrian history sites. Trust me.
Even the churches there are newly built by the KRG.

Now he is a baath? Well, the brother of Mustafa Barzani also went to work with the baathis...yet you like to put Assyrians into baath lovers...strange strange, whereeas it was your leaders who seeked the help of turks and baath to kill eachother...maintaining their tribal "kingdoms".

We had an opposition where we would negotiate with the Iraqi government, after we made them suffer losses.
After the European powers fought the Ottoman Empire, they also went to the table and drew colonial borders.
It's called diplomacy.


What opposition did the Assyrians have against the Baath in all those years?
What area has been cleared by Assyrians in Iraq?
What serious guerilla movement did you have in all those years in Iraq?



Assyrian (like the name says) come originally from areas near Damascus in SYRIA, and more in the Arabian plateau, Jordan Saudi Arabia.
But where chased by the Arabs so they settled with the Kurds who took things more softer, SADLY! And now they are the ones to tell us to leave OUR homeland, and leave it for them.

[Rumtaya]

Why don't you be honest about creating a culture for yourself, and claiming to be in your ancestral homeland for 20000 years?
In fact, the Assyrians have adopted Kurdish culture a lot. Their dresses, their kitchen and much more.
You do not have a single language because many of you claim to be Chaldean, then it is Suryani, Then it is Nestorian, then it is suryoyo or whatever.

And about the 'evidence' , well there are thousands of archeological sites in Kurdistan such as Mir Castles.
And there is no such thing as Assyrian history sites. Trust me.
Even the churches there are newly built by the KRG.
We had an opposition where we would negotiate with the Iraqi government, after we made them suffer losses.
After the European powers fought the Ottoman Empire, they also went to the table and drew colonial borders.
It's called diplomacy.
What opposition did the Assyrians have against the Baath in all those years?
What area has been cleared by Assyrians in Iraq?
What serious guerilla movement did you have in all those years in Iraq?
Assyrian (like the name says) come originally from areas near Damascus in SYRIA, and more in the Arabian plateau, Jordan Saudi Arabia.
But where chased by the Arabs so they settled with the Kurds who took things more softer, SADLY! And now they are the ones to tell us to leave OUR homeland, and leave it for them.

Do you belive in what you right? Cause I have been told that if you repeat a lie many times, it will become true, that seems to be suitable for you.

You are not worth to argue about. The fact that you do not accept that Assyrians are From Assyria your "southern Kurdistan", alongside saying that there is no Assyrian historicale evidance in Assyria, makes me worry about that you might have problems with Reality.

I am just courioius where do you got your history class from? Please enlight me, it seriously worries me who has told you such a nonsense.

We probably should met an visit an DNA office, you might probably find out that your forefathers have been just Assyrians who were forced at the time of ilsam expandation into the kurdi society as this was the case with many other Assyrians who are nowaday part of the Kurdish Nation.

Before telling me that Assyrian adopted anything from Kurds, I should ask you...what is a Kurd? What makes him a Kurd?

You ask for respect towards Kurds, whereeas you deny FACTS about Assyrians and calim they are from Saudia Arabia.

My friend some tribes in Kurdistan, are Arab migrated families who came with the islam quest into Mesopotamia and the area east and north of it.



See this Gate thats what you call an historical evidance. Your "Mir Castle", was probably not old then 800 years?... however it would be kind if you would give me some neutral informations about its location and date of construction.

[Jaff Sassani]

First of all the people should be free to express themselves what ever they wish to write and say but the fact won't be hidden any more from scholar around the world, thanks to the the Internet and technology.

By his name Mr. Miran is Kurdish if he is not Sayeid family(from the Arab origin.

The Kurdish people history are very old history in the region it goes back to thousands of years. It shows his knowledge are very limited we are sure his eduction are not to the level to write about Kurdish history.

He is referring to eleven century of the Kurdish leader while the Kurdish and other Iranian nations history goes back to 7000 years. We wrote many articles about the history of the Kurdish people. We Kurd used to be part of the many empires in the region, the last Iranian people empire the Sassanian empire was a Kurdish empire because majority of the military and administration was Kurd and how about the Zoroastrian religion.

He should go back to school to get another false degree in diffrent subject because his education are really zero.

We the people fought the Assyrian Empire and win the war, it is true we got defeated by Islamic Arab Imperialist nationalistic ideology under the pretext of Islamic religion.

It is laughable article it remind us of Saddam Hussein era, he was ordering people like him to make history without any refrence.

[Danno]

First of all the people should be free to express themselves what ever they wish to write and say but the fact won't be hidden any more from scholar around the world, thanks to the the Internet and technology.

By his name Mr. Miran is Kurdish if he is not Sayeid family(from the Arab origin.

The Kurdish people history are very old history in the region it goes back to thousands of years. It shows his knowledge are very limited we are sure his eduction are not to the level to write about Kurdish history.

He is referring to eleven century of the Kurdish leader while the Kurdish and other Iranian nations history goes back to 7000 years. We wrote many articles about the history of the Kurdish people. We Kurd used to be part of the many empires in the region, the last Iranian people empire the Sassanian empire was a Kurdish empire because majority of the military and administration was Kurd and how about the Zoroastrian religion.

He should go back to school to get another false degree in diffrent subject because his education are really zero.

We the people fought the Assyrian Empire and win the war, it is true we got defeated by Islamic Arab Imperialist nationalistic ideology under the pretext of Islamic religion.

It is laughable article it remind us of Saddam Hussein era, he was ordering people like him to make history without any refrence.

LMAO THE IRONY!!!!

[Jaff Sassani]

Pan Iranism and Islam (Pan Arabism)!
By Dr. AhreemanX

March 10, 2006

Folks:

I had a discussion with a few friends inside & outside Iran, about this issue. I am going to share parts of what I have told them, with you.

Pan Movements (Panism Political Ideologies)

Pan movements are about unification of a group of people with elements of a united race, culture, language, religion, history or all the mentioned elements, to expand their power influence, land mass & cultural effects.

For instance Pan Iranist Movement's motto has been:

"Iranian Plateau under one flag."

Definition of Pan Iranism

Pan Iranism = Expansion of Iran via unification of All Iranian people & nations including but not limited to: Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kurdistan of Iraq, Baluchistan of Pakistan, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Ossetia of Russia, etc.

Note that Persia & Persian are latin terms for Iran & Iranian.

Iranian Characteristics

Iranian people have similar characteristics of:
Race: Aryan
Culture: Aryan (Persian, Median, Parthian, etc.)
Language: Persian (other similar Iranian-Aryan Languages)
History: 8000 years of Persian Civilization (Kingdom, Empire, etc.)
Religion: Zoroastrianism & other Persian philosophies such as Ancient Persian Multi Thesis, Mithraism, Vedaiism, Maniism, Mazdakism, Babism & Bahaism.

For more information, read:

A vision for Iran of tomorrow (Nationalism)
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=483

Definition of Pan Arabism

Pan Arabism = Expansion of Arab Nation via unification of All Arab countries via tool of Islam as a primary step. The secondary step will be revival & recreation of the Islamic Empire.

Arab Characteristics

Arab people have similar characteristics of:
Race: Hemitic (Hemites) branch of "Semitic (Jews) & Hemitic (Arab) Race"
Culture: Islamic
Language: Arabic
History: Arabo_Islamic history
Religion: Islam

[Israelite_]

Pan Iranism and Islam (Pan Arabism)!
By Dr. AhreemanX

March 10, 2006

Folks:

I had a discussion with a few friends inside & outside Iran, about this issue. I am going to share parts of what I have told them, with you.

Pan Movements (Panism Political Ideologies)

Pan movements are about unification of a group of people with elements of a united race, culture, language, religion, history or all the mentioned elements, to expand their power influence, land mass & cultural effects.

For instance Pan Iranist Movement's motto has been:

"Iranian Plateau under one flag."

Definition of Pan Iranism

Pan Iranism = Expansion of Iran via unification of All Iranian people & nations including but not limited to: Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kurdistan of Iraq, Baluchistan of Pakistan, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Ossetia of Russia, etc.

Note that Persia & Persian are latin terms for Iran & Iranian.

Iranian Characteristics

Iranian people have similar characteristics of:
Race: Aryan
Culture: Aryan (Persian, Median, Parthian, etc.)
Language: Persian (other similar Iranian-Aryan Languages)
History: 8000 years of Persian Civilization (Kingdom, Empire, etc.)
Religion: Zoroastrianism & other Persian philosophies such as Ancient Persian Multi Thesis, Mithraism, Vedaiism, Maniism, Mazdakism, Babism & Bahaism.

For more information, read:

A vision for Iran of tomorrow (Nationalism)
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=483

Definition of Pan Arabism

Pan Arabism = Expansion of Arab Nation via unification of All Arab countries via tool of Islam as a primary step. The secondary step will be revival & recreation of the Islamic Empire.

Arab Characteristics

Arab people have similar characteristics of:
Race: Hemitic (Hemites) branch of "Semitic (Jews) & Hemitic (Arab) Race"
Culture: Islamic
Language: Arabic
History: Arabo_Islamic history
Religion: Islam

My dear Aryan friend,

Sorry to diminish your noble hopes about your noble race, but I am afraid that in the near future the Middle East will be ablaze, and I am not sure that Iran would be spared of the flames.

[Joseph]

Athouri,

I don’t know why, every time I read your article, you remind me of a hyena that keeps scavenging on a dead corpses such as with this dead article.
A real amateur by all means, A Kurd discrediting his own history with this naïve story telling, LOL (spitting on his own face !!!!!)
scratch this article a bit, and here we go, got the rabbit out of the magic hat, a Kurdish lover. By the name of assur, or maybe toran or al takriti
All this job translating this article, imagine a time a person spends to bring this article to impress his viewers, signed by suppose to be a Kurd, as if this will give it any credibility, somehow!
Do you ever ask yourself, where do this all leads to? well Exactly,...... No where.
While you guys keep nagging bitching and wining, the Kurds are busy in nation /state building that is very close to a complete statehood, your nightmare….eventually.
Keep barking as usual

Cheers

[Kurd-BOSS]

While you guys keep nagging bitching and wining, the Kurds are busy in nation /state building that is very close to a complete statehood, your nightmare….eventually.
Keep barking as usual

Cheers

Joseph,

the sad thing is that it is only the Kurdistan Regional Government that has

- the Assyrian language as an officially recognized language and being taught on many schools
- an Assyrian TV boradcasting channel funded by the KRG, called Ishtar TV
- built a large number of villages for them
- built a large number of religious sites for them
- allowed approx. 100.000 Iraqi Christian (from all races) refugees coming to Kurdistan


And Joseph, don't think these guys here represent Assyrians of Iraq and Kurdistan.
Most of the Assyrians here are from Syria and keep interfering with Iraq and especially Kurdistan, while they don't give a f*ck criticising Assad's family rule for half a century.


Thanks for clearing some things out.

[Rumtaya]

@ Joseph...LOL

While you guys keep nagging bitching and wining, the Kurds are busy in nation /state building that is very close to a complete statehood, your nightmare….eventually.
Keep barking as usual

Its their right to build up a statehood. Every Nation does has its rights and since Kurds are a Nation they must be left alone so to build up a State and live in peace, cause they faced also opression from the sourounding States.

I can not stand against Kurdish Aspiration for struggle of statehood that would be a double moral. I really wish them the best to succeed with their statehood, but AT LIMITED BORDERS!!! They should just keep the hands of the Nineveh Plains and everything is fine.

I really also care about Kurds in Turkey, Iran and Syria. Noone should be opressed.


But people like you just come here around try to put Assyrians in a bad picture with your few nonses sentense, do what ever you want. You´ll not find a source to put Assyrians in the opressor status, but more in the opressed one.

However the Kurds you mean also to build up a State, they have missed something, they turned from the opressed people to the opressing people, I dont not mean the whole Kurdish fols in Northern Iraq, but their so called democratic Parties KDP and PUK, wher the first one is kinda baath alike.



@ Kurd-Boss LOL LOL

- the Assyrian language as an officially recognized language and being taught on many schools

Its recognized in the Iraqi Constitution!

- an Assyrian TV boradcasting channel funded by the KRG, called Ishtar TV

its an Iraqi Christian channel founded by Necherwan Barzani!

- built a large number of villages for them

Iraq is rebuilding Assyrian villages throw the money which is to spent on Assyrians, some parts of the Assyrian villages are within KRG and the other part Ninveh Plains are within Iraq.

- built a large number of religious sites for them

Reconstruction, every village needs a Church, nothing special or?

- allowed approx. 100.000 Iraqi Christian (from all races) refugees coming to Kurdistan

We are allowing 2 million Kurds to live in Assyria, so what is those 100 000? Those are even not Refugees but AssyrianS.

Good morning Kurdistan, you are staying on Assyrian soil!

[Danno]

Joseph,

the sad thing is that it is only the Kurdistan Regional Government that has

- the Assyrian language as an officially recognized language and being taught on many schools
- an Assyrian TV boradcasting channel funded by the KRG, called Ishtar TV
- built a large number of villages for them
- built a large number of religious sites for them
- allowed approx. 100.000 Iraqi Christian (from all races) refugees coming to Kurdistan
And Joseph, don't think these guys here represent Assyrians of Iraq and Kurdistan.
Most of the Assyrians here are from Syria and keep interfering with Iraq and especially Kurdistan, while they don't give a f*ck criticising Assad's family rule for half a century.
Thanks for clearing some things out.

- the Assyrian language as an officially recognized language and being taught on many schools

This is done only through corruption from the KDP

- an Assyrian TV boradcasting channel funded by the KRG, called Ishtar TV

this chanel is nothing but Kurdish propaganda...this chanel isnt for Assyrians are u kidding me?!?! this channel was there to fool the assyraisn to think that the KDP actually cares about Assyrians. We already had a succesful channel called Ashur TV...y didnt kurds fund that one instead of starting a new one to compete with it?

- built a large number of villages for them

They do build i wont deny that...but with whos money?? its not kurdish money its Assyrian money that the kurds take and spend it on Assyrians through corruption. Only Assyrians who swear loyalty to KDP are allowed to live in these villages and the rest are not welcomed.

- built a large number of religious sites for them

this is only the case b/c the church leaders have sided with Sargis Aghajan who is a KDP puppet....im 100% sure that if they werent with him that their churches would be destroyed like nothing

- allowed approx. 100.000 Iraqi Christian (from all races) refugees coming to Kurdistan

These Assyrians are returning to their omeland from the anfal campaign. And only Assyrians who have sworn loyalty to the KDP are treated with respect and given jobs etc. All other who dont side with KDP (who are a huge majority with over 85% vote in last election -kurdish ballot frawds) are treated like ###### and are worse than second class citizens!



P.S. I was Born in Iraq and that is my country and i have alot of family still there so please think before u write somthing

[Jaff Sassani]

My dear Aryan friend,

Sorry to diminish your noble hopes about your noble race, but I am afraid that in the near future the Middle East will be ablaze, and I am not sure that Iran would be spared of the flames.

Middle East has been on blaze and fire for over 4000 years and it is there now. The war won't last that long after war there will be Pease.

We are looking for better future let be optimistic. The life will go on.

We published many articles for the better future and hope the people will listen to us so they can build
the country back with law and justice for all.