Agop Ayvaz, Turkish Ermeni Options

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http://www.bolsohays.com/haberac.asp?referans=468

Unfortunatly this link is in Turkish and only for those who can read Turkish

He is 96 years old and one of the most loved actors. He plays at theaters and owns an art magazine which is 50 years old. A living history.

[Hosank]

he is a good actor actually, and i understand he is very respected in turkey

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he is a good actor actually, and i understand he is very respected in turkey

Extreme respect man, he is one living history.

[Mordoth]

Other Armenian fames in Turkiye ;

- Arto Tunc
( Arto Tuncboyaciyan )




- Hayko Cepkin

( I also do love his songs , lol. Soad of Turkiye )



- Mine Kosan

( True name, Bahriye Tokmak )



- Toto Karaca ( Famous dancer )
( True name , Irma Toto )



Garo Mafyan ( Producer )

[davit]

wow how come your comenting good things about armenians

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wow how come your comenting good things about armenians

Becouse there are good ermeni as well as bad ermeni, just like everyother nstion on this planet davit.

To think that all people of a nation are bad is racism.

[Hosank]

he is trying to show us that we are all racist armenians..

and that there are good armenians, who want to be friends with the turks, and as a result swallow their destroyed pride, forget about genocide, and befriend them..
what he does not understand is that all armenians work for the country of which they hold a passport..
armenians have been active in every country in which they live..from lebanon, to australia to canada..
even turkey...

though i respect the people he spoke of on this page, he must understand that these people are only doing what it takes not to go to jail..and we are free of that..
and though we don't hate turks, we can still be there to check them, when they try to commit human rights offences

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he is trying to show us that we are all racist armenians..

and that there are good armenians, who want to be friends with the turks, and as a result swallow their destroyed pride, forget about genocide, and befriend them..
what he does not understand is that all armenians work for the country of which they hold a passport..
armenians have been active in every country in which they live..from lebanon, to australia to canada..
even turkey...

though i respect the people he spoke of on this page, he must understand that these people are only doing what it takes not to go to jail..and we are free of that..
and though we don't hate turks, we can still be there to check them, when they try to commit human rights offences

No, I am posting all these people to ask a question. If there was a genocide, which ermeni, on his/her life would saty here in Turkiye and work with Turks??

And to furhter the question, if there was a genocide how come there are ermin living in Turkiye , with quite the comfort as you can see, at all ??



If you want to check on human rights violations just check the ermenistan government...


http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/E...al-Asia/Armenia

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/23/armeni15994.htm

[fedayi]

No, I am posting all these people to ask a question. If there was a genocide, which ermeni, on his/her life would saty here in Turkiye and work with Turks??

And to furhter the question, if there was a genocide how come there are ermin living in Turkiye , with quite the comfort as you can see, at all ??
If you want to check on human rights violations just check the ermenistan government...
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/E...al-Asia/Armenia

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/23/armeni15994.htm

That's a very good question. The simple fact is that many Armenians who had a lot of influence and power before the genocide were loath to leave and abandon the lifestyle that their family had led for centuries, even before the turks came and took over. You must realize that Armenians have been living in Istanbul ever since it was still known as Constantinople under the Byzantine Empire. So you see, these families didn't want to leave what had become their home.

[fedayi]

No, I am posting all these people to ask a question. If there was a genocide, which ermeni, on his/her life would saty here in Turkiye and work with Turks??

And to furhter the question, if there was a genocide how come there are ermin living in Turkiye , with quite the comfort as you can see, at all ??
If you want to check on human rights violations just check the ermenistan government...
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/E...al-Asia/Armenia

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/23/armeni15994.htm

Also, another thing. When the Armenians who had escaped genocide by bribery and hiding returned to Istanbul, they changed their names and taught their children to love Turks, to act and live like them so that if there was another genocide, they would be able to survive by essentially becoming turks. This includes working with the turks!

Does this answer your question?

[fedayi]

If you want to check on human rights violations just check the ermenistan government...
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/E...al-Asia/Armenia

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/05/23/armeni15994.htm

By the way, two wrongs don't make a right. I read those articles, and it doesn't seem like the Armenians are really in breach of human rights. Although I admit the beating and killing of prisoners is horrible and should be stopped, I think turks should look to themselves before pointing out the flaws of others:

http://www.geocities.com/mirzabeyoglu2001/abtturk4.html

However, draft evasion is serious in a country like Armenian who does not have as much of a military as most other countries. In this period of political unrest in the Middle East and what with the United States sticking their noses into places it doesn't belong, every small nation in that region has reason to fear invasion. So, it would follow that there is urgent need for military strength and vigilance.

We can go on pointing out each other's flaws forever. However, the simple fact is that Armenians have accepted their mistakes and the turks have yet to do so.

[Hosank]

to act and live like them so that if there was another genocide, they would be able to survive by essentially becoming turks. This includes working with the turks!

i don't think that's fair for the polsahyes.

we must consider that they are living in a country where the entire population is hostile to them, and has taken every opportunity to show it to them, starting from the 24th of april 1915, then the istambul pogroms of 1955, then deportations and so on that came later...
im sure you understand why they had to keep a low profile in turkey. many in the eastern provinces (who were not massacred in the genocide) had to pretend they were kurdish and so on..
many changed their names to turkish ones, like my friends, the Kuyumku, who were originally kuyumjian and so on. yet still the turks knew who were the armenians, and would give them a hard time weather in the army, or outside. then of course the murder of hrant-dink.
the armenians of turkey are not pro-turkish but simply cannot display armenian patriotism, for fear of being attacked (a threat that is VERY real). another one of my friend says that his dad would be attacked by turks after school almost every day, and would be in fights of 5 turks agains 1 or 2 armenians.

but this is no different from how the armenians in palestine, or syria, lebanon or egypt have a sort of connection with the arabs with whom they grew up, it's some sort of stockholm sindrome on a wide scale.

infact, what arrow inadvertantly presented was armenians who, no matter where, made something of themselves, even in the land of the beast. this goes to show the enourmous resiliance of the armenian people.

However, draft evasion is serious in a country like Armenia

this is true

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Also, another thing. When the Armenians who had escaped genocide by bribery and hiding returned to Istanbul, they changed their names and taught their children to love Turks, to act and live like them so that if there was another genocide, they would be able to survive by essentially becoming turks. This includes working with the turks!

Does this answer your question?

This is the funniest thing I have heard about Turkish Ermeni

[Hosank]

to clear up what i am saying, is that it is easy to be openly patriotic for the armenian cause when you are not in danger, in the case of the armenians in istambul, they are right in the mongolian yeti's mouth.

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to clear up what i am saying, is that it is easy to be openly patriotic for the armenian cause when you are not in danger, in the case of the armenians in istambul, they are right in the mongolian yeti's mouth.

I just don't get it. If I was too worried about the safety of my family, I'd just go somewehere safe. You need to admit that they are not as unhappy as you guys like to think.

[irlandahay]

This is the funniest thing I have heard about Turkish Ermeni

We only all laugh at you mate

HE provided a good answer. You cant answer and so you joke. your pathetic I dont feel like laughing at you anymore because I dont like making fun of mentally deficient people

[irlandahay]

I just don't get it. If I was too worried about the safety of my family, I'd just go somewehere safe. You need to admit that they are not as unhappy as you guys like to think.

Your right, why doesnt EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING in Iraq just pack up and leave.

Think it over a second ok?

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you have this bad habit of generalising Irish. Anyways, what he posted wasa direct insult at Turkish Ermeni sociaty. Unfortunatly he can't even realise it. And if I take everything too serious in here, or on any virtual platform I'd just suffer from stomach ache everyday.

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Your right, why doesnt EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING in Iraq just pack up and leave.

Think it over a second ok?

The ones that helpes UK forces overthere, interperters, guides etc, wanted to immigrate to UK when they heard that UK will pull her forces from Iraq. UK refused all of them, it was on media everywhere incase you didn't realise.

In case of ermeni people though, they have no problems travelling or migrating anywhere at all. But for some wierd reason they choose to stay here, and according to our friend here they even change their names, leave their proud history at dark and even work with turks ( omg how dare they!!!!111111 )...

Now why would that be

[irlandahay]

The ones that helpes UK forces overthere, interperters, guides etc, wanted to immigrate to UK when they heard that UK will pull her forces from Iraq. UK refused all of them, it was on media everywhere incase you didn't realise.

In case of ermeni people though, they have no problems travelling or migrating anywhere at all. But for some wierd reason they choose to stay here, and according to our friend here they even change their names, leave their proud history at dark and even work with turks ( omg how dare they!!!!111111 )...

Now why would that be

ok. now clearly you lack the capacity to understand anything so as my last ditch attempt to get through to your pea-sized brain, I will make it extremely simple.

Say you and your daughter have been living in Canada for centuries. And then all of a sudden the Canadian government decides to outlaw turks. They start sending them on convoys on to death camps. You, being in Vancouver, found it easy to hide in a big city like that and you were being watched by forein observers. If the international observers see whats happening to Turks they will react. So the government purposefully left you guys in peace in Vancouver alone, and only took care to accuse your community leaders and then execute them.

After all this, Canada decides there are too few turks left so its no use spending so much money to kill the rest of them off! So they decided to do it by intimidation.

They pass a series of laws banning the turkish flag, they put a canadian flag on all turkish owned companies and stores and mosques. They teach kids at school thats turks are less than human.

But you have friends and family here. You have a business and a life and your ancestors have been here for hundreds of years. You dont have the money to leave either and if you do, where are you gonna go?

And now your daughter is of age to go to school. Your store has been vandalised a few times but thats ok, you can get by. Your daughter comes home from her first day of school with tears in her eyes because she was picked on by the other kids for being turkish, and her teacher is failing her for "unknown reasons". She doesnt want to go to school anymore.

So finally, seeing no other escapes, you change your name from Sakaloglu to Smith, and then your store goes from being a turkish delight store to a maple syrup candy store.

Your daughter changes schools and is accepted, you keep working and its doing fine, but you want your daughter to know shes turkish no? so you teach her about turks and how hard it is to be turkish and what not. You meet other people who, like you, had to make sacrifices to stay alive, and they have a son. Knowing he secretly is turkish and your daughter will have turkish children, you set them up for marriage.

You now have a second generation in Canada and thats even less reason to leave. And so what, altho life is hard, you get through it fine?

There, I made it as simple as can be. just replace Turkish by Armenian, Canada by Turkey and Vancouver by Istanbul and youv got a good bolsahye story!

If you dont understand after this then you need to check yourself in to a mental hospital...

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ok. now clearly you lack the capacity to understand anything so as my last ditch attempt to get through to your pea-sized brain, I will make it extremely simple.

Thank you, now please teach me how to count to ten will you

Anyways, you are not telling anything new, just repeating what brain washed ermeni keep telling over and over.

BTW, if some like that had happened, if millions of Turks were being killed in the suburban parts of Canada I'd still go somewhere safe. Becouse I wouldn't risk my family, no matter the cost.

The story you told is missing the motivation why the ones in Istanbul ( vancouver ) chose to stay there while others were taken to concentration camps.. But then I am a pea sized brained Turk, I probably won't be able to understand how ermeni people can think..

[irlandahay]

Thank you, now please teach me how to count to ten will you

Anyways, you are not telling anything new, just repeating what brain washed ermeni keep telling over and over.

BTW, if some like that had happened, if millions of Turks were being killed in the suburban parts of Canada I'd still go somewhere safe. Becouse I wouldn't risk my family, no matter the cost.

The story you told is missing the motivation why the ones in Istanbul ( vancouver ) chose to stay there while others were taken to concentration camps.. But then I am a pea sized brained Turk, I probably won't be able to understand how ermeni people can think..

omg.

you have just confirmed my closing sentence...

I have done my best to explain and yet you are still incapable of understand the simplest of things. Therefore, I would have to start at the very beginning in order for you to comprehend, so here it goes:

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

try this for a start, then we'l see the rest...

[Hosank]

I just don't get it. If I was too worried about the safety of my family, I'd just go somewehere safe. You need to admit that they are not as unhappy as you guys like to think.

lol, wow, you just displayed the logic of a 10 year old.
in case you havn't noticed, some 80% of armenians in constantinople HAVE left, because they were worried about the safety of their family, as you say. but for the rest...why would they leave the city that their ancesters have called home for 700 years? they practically built the city. when they have their businesses set up and working for generations and all that. that is exactly what the turks want...make them feel uncomfortable untill they leave, that is what happened to the 1 million greeks that still lived in constantinople after the greco-turkish war. today they are about 5000.

certainly it is not like turks are always running around bashing them every day, if they keep a low profile, they will have little problem. but if they dare say they are armenian with pride...they will be attacked, by young turks, who just cannot seem to comprehend that these evil minorities, the greeks and armenians are NOT the outsiders that they so hate, but it is they themselves that are. that is of course, for the turkish nationalists who are not actually of greco-armenian origin without knowing it.