Methinks Turkey Doth Protest Too Much... Options

[Armenak]

Methinks Turkey doth protest too much...

Sir:

These days, whenever I turn my dial to the Turkish Radio-TV station on
my widescreen in Brussels, I seem to come across some kind of academic
forum or expert panel discussion by Turks on "The Armenian Question."

Almost every Wednesday and Friday night, there are 30 or 60-minute
programs dedicated to disputing Armenian "claims" about the Genocide.
Using footage from old documentaries, news reports and films, these TV
programs seem to be trying to absolve the Turkish soul of the very
heavy burden of the Ottoman Empire's inhumanity towards Armenians in
the 1895 to 1915 time period.

Other times, there are Turkish university professors, members of the
Turkish diplomatic corps, and even Turkish law professors who carry on
for hours in minutely detailed discussions of Ottoman documents
showing numbers of Armenian inhabitants in Turkish towns before and
after 191, or disputing the authenticity of the famous cable order by
Talaat Pasha to the Turkish provincial governors and officials to
deport hundreds of thousands of Armenians from the eastern provinces
to the Syrian desert.

On top of everything else, Turkish university professors like Dr.
Hikmet Ördemir, Dr. Kamer Kasim or Dr. Aygün Attar, and Dr. Seret Ünal
almost always speak with great authority that they have invited
Armenian historians and their counterparts from European and American
universities to jointly research documents located in the archives of
the Ottoman Empire History Museum in Istanbul, in order "to get to the
truth" -- and none of the Armenians has shown up.

In April 2007 Turkish Internet hackers attacked and defaced many
Armenian Genocide-related websites -- notably www.theforgotten.org --
claiming the that Armenians committed genocide on the Turks! (Note:
since the incident the website has a new name:
www.theforgottengenocide.org).

All of this frenzy in the Turkish media and on the web is meant to
legitimize Turkey's claim that there never was an Armenian Genocide in
1915, but instead "large scale deaths of Armenians" who had sided with
the Russian army against the Ottoman army.

But ifthere is no truthto assertions about the Armenian Genocide of
1915 -- as recorded by U.S. and European ambassadors, and documented
by damning photographs of Armenian women, children, and elderly gutted
by Turkish swords and left to rot in the Syrian deserts -- why then
are today's Turks spending so much time and effort denying the event?

Relatedly, ifthe deep guilt over inhuman behavior by their ancestors
was not reaching their souls today, why are the Turks so fanatically
trying to revise historical events -- even going to the extent of
accusing Armeniansof having perpetrated a genocide against the Turks?

Perhaps "the best defense is a good offense" (as Napoleon Bonaparte
used to advise his generals), and today's Turkish government
officials, university intellectuals and the governing armed forces
have launched an all-out offensive in the world media to make the
outrageous claim that the only Armenian genocide is the one
weperpetrated againstthe Turks. But thankfully, this revisionist
history is so transparent that it only elicits ironic smiles from the
international community -- which knows what really happened in 1915.

Very truly yours,
Miran P. Sarkissian
Brussels, Belgium

From the Armenian Reporter

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Methinks Turkey doth protest too much...

........which knows what really happened in 1915.

Very truly yours,
Miran P. Sarkissian
Brussels, Belgium

From the Armenian Reporter

Wellcome to the discussions and hi.

what is the source of the article, what is the tv / radio channel that the auther of the article wrote about.

The rest is all propaganda.

[Armenak]

Wellcome to the discussions and hi.

what is the source of the article, what is the tv / radio channel that the auther of the article wrote about.

The rest is all propaganda.

The article is from the Armenian Reporter.

How is the fact that the person who wrote the article, who lives in Belgium, and tuned in to Turkish radio and television stations there, and saw or heard Turkish-sponsored, self-serving genocide denial programs propaganda?

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Well Mr, I don't know thug ruled ermenistan but in Turkiye we have a little over 1000 tv channels... So if you can be kind enough to give me the name of the Tv show or the name of the channel that hosts it I can check it out.

So instead of trying to convert the fingers at me lets have some progress in the topic eh? Or is it so hard to name your sources??

[Armenak]

Well Mr, I don't know thug ruled ermenistan but in Turkiye we have a little over 1000 tv channels... So if you can be kind enough to give me the name of the Tv show or the name of the channel that hosts it I can check it out.

So instead of trying to convert the fingers at me lets have some progress in the topic eh? Or is it so hard to name your sources??

Well, for that information you would have to contact Mr. Sarkissian.

But do you really doubt that the Turkish community in Belgium (or Turkey) wouldn't organize television programs like this? I would expect you to be a proponent of them.

[Hosank]

lol, propaganda...that is always what you turks can say to counterclaim accusations..

funny enough, i don't see how it could be propaganda, because obviously it is happening, for your ideas are shaped by it. i mean, if the turkish government were not issuing all this anti armenian genocide propaganda, where in the world would you have learned that the genocide was a lie???

and, btw, it is quite true, i have friends in bolis who can attest to that..

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and, btw, it is quite true, i have friends in bolis who can attest to that..

See this is your problem. I asked armen just the name of the tv channel or the show and I get this as an answer. Excuse me Hosank but your words are just not good enough.

On a subject as important as this we'll need to come something better than just gossip.

[Hosank]

well, true...

but first, it is not my word, but my friend's word, and second, why is turkish tv such a serious subject? why would people lie about what is on tv in turkey? i mean..it's viewed by 70 million turks, you know..it's not something that could be hidden..

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well, true...

but first, it is not my word, but my friend's word, and second, why is turkish tv such a serious subject? why would people lie about what is on tv in turkey? i mean..it's viewed by 70 million turks, you know..it's not something that could be hidden..

Tv is not the subject, genocide claims and actions about it is the subject, geez...

And we have over a thousand Tv channels, how can you expect us to know which one was it on?? This is Turkiye not (un)democratic state of ermenistan

[irlandahay]

See this is your problem. I asked armen just the name of the tv channel or the show and I get this as an answer. Excuse me Hosank but your words are just not good enough.

On a subject as important as this we'll need to come something better than just gossip.

are you stupid or something? like honestly? did you notice armenak stopped answering you because your a complete imbecile?!

IT IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN IN A NEWSPAPER! THE GUY WROTE "TURKISH TV CHANNELS". HE DIDNT MENTION THEM, AND HE WROTE THE ARTICLE, IF HE WROTE THE ARTICLE THAT WE READ BUT FAILED TO MENTION THE TURKISH CHANNELS, THEN ARMENAK OR ANY OF US DONT KNOW WHICH ONES HE IS TALKING ABOUT!

underf***ingstand?!

And there is no such thing as ermenistan. so once you name a real country, then we'l debate it.

jesus christ turks are a pain. its like trying to teach a pig to ride a horse...

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are you stupid or something? like honestly? did you notice armenak stopped answering you because your a complete imbecile?!

Are you an imbecile? No offense but you are answering me and since I am an imbecile , you know... Oh and Hosank kinda agreed to my point ( part of it ) so he must be an imbecile too

IT IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN IN A NEWSPAPER! THE GUY WROTE "TURKISH TV CHANNELS". HE DIDNT MENTION THEM, AND HE WROTE THE ARTICLE, IF HE WROTE THE ARTICLE THAT WE READ BUT FAILED TO MENTION THE TURKISH CHANNELS, THEN ARMENAK OR ANY OF US DONT KNOW WHICH ONES HE IS TALKING ABOUT!

Yesterday I watched an ermeni channel and they accepted that there was no genocide but they are using it to take money from Turkiye, becouse they are really poor and have nothing else to do. Can you believe it ????

underf***ingstand?!

What ???

And there is no such thing as ermenistan. so once you name a real country, then we'l debate it.

Ermenistan is where ermenis live.

jesus christ turks are a pain. its like trying to teach a pig to ride a horse...

Really ?

[Armenak]

Tv is not the subject, genocide claims and actions about it is the subject, geez...

And we have over a thousand Tv channels, how can you expect us to know which one was it on?? This is Turkiye not (un)democratic state of ermenistan

Having transsexual singers and de-hijabbed women doesn't make Turkey "democratic," whatever the hell you think that means. If Turkey was "democratic" they wouldn't ban people for speaking Kurdish in parliament (but that's another story, since "Ermenistan" as you call it, borders Kurdistan and not Turkey ). Need I bring up the "insulting Turkishness" law?

The channel was probably a private Turkish one operating in Belgium, not Turkey.

[irlandahay]

Are you an imbecile? No offense but you are answering me and since I am an imbecile , you know... Oh and Hosank kinda agreed to my point ( part of it ) so he must be an imbecile too
Yesterday I watched an ermeni channel and they accepted that there was no genocide but they are using it to take money from Turkiye, becouse they are really poor and have nothing else to do. Can you believe it ????
What ???
Ermenistan is where ermenis live.
Really ?

nope...because I make sense and have valid arguments. you just regurgitate the same useless garbage that wev heard oh too many times...

and when did hosank partly agree with you?

yes uh-huh. an armenian channel that said there was no genocide and it was all for money. lol your a retard... and as I said I dont care about money or land or anything. all I want is to know that those people havnt died for nothing!

no, Armenia is where Armenians live.

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well, true...

but first, it is not my word, but my friend's word, and second, why is turkish tv such a serious subject?

Hosank agreed me partly here irishhay.

The ermeni tv was sarcam, I will have to remind myself that you are uncapable of understanding complicated sentences

Your valid arguments consist of

1- " where speaking english here " ( my favorite )

2- something like die and burn in hell

3- I hate you




Are you in ermenistan or USA ?

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I said I dont care about money or land or anything. all I want is to know that those people havnt died for nothing!

But they did die for nothing, according to you. If they had helped their emperor rather than revolting things could have been different.

But today we rule these lands ( since 1071 ) and since you can not take them back and ermenistan today is not good enough for you , then died for nothing.

[irlandahay]

Hosank agreed me partly here irishhay.

The ermeni tv was sarcam, I will have to remind myself that you are uncapable of understanding complicated sentences

Your valid arguments consist of

1- " where speaking english here " ( my favorite )

2- something like die and burn in hell

3- I hate you


Are you in ermenistan or USA ?

yes your sentence was so complicated. your so full of yourself...haha your such a turk.

1- want me to take out all your spelling mistakes or should I spare you the embarrassment?

2- Dont believe in hell but now that you mention it you do deserve death

3- well at least I'm honest...unlike you or your government...

I'm not in ermenistan because I have no idea where that is, nor am I in USA

[Armenak]

But today we rule these lands ( since 1071 )

And you were ruling much more until the beginning of the 20th century.

Now there is Kurdistan to deal with. But unlike the Armenians, who had become a minority on their own lands... well, let's just say it's going to be difficult to deal with the Kurds.

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And you were ruling much more until the beginning of the 20th century.

Now there is Kurdistan to deal with. But unlike the Armenians, who had become a minority on their own lands... well, let's just say it's going to be difficult to deal with the Kurds.

At least Kurds have the courage, unlike you

[Armenak]

At least Kurds have the courage, unlike you

They have a substantial population. Your comment doesn't bug me in the least. I'd rather have a Kurdish Anatolia than a Turkish one. At least the Kurds are Iranic.

Armenia has liberated Artsakh from "Azeri" Turk tyranny. The next most realistic objective would be Nakhichevan.

Where were the Turks when their "Azeri" brethren needed them most? Sipping Turkish coffee on the streets of Istanbul?

[irlandahay]

At least Kurds have the courage, unlike you

lol well there was a whole lot of nothing...

[Hosank]

you could have a thousand chanels in any country with satellite, but i doubt that turkey actually locally produces a thousand channels..

actually, the whole world is where the ermenis live thanks to you.

Yesterday I watched an ermeni channel and they accepted that there was no genocide but they are using it to take money from Turkiye, becouse they are really poor and have nothing else to do. Can you believe it ????

lool...nooo, and for so many reasons...you understand ermeni now? and if the genocide was an armenian conspiracy, why would we be talking about it on tv? i mean, we want to keep it a secret, and we all know about it anyways right?(and, don't worry, i know it's sarcasm, im not duped)

lool

Oh and Hosank kinda agreed to my point ( part of it ) so he must be an imbecile too icon_smile.gif

i don't even know what we are talking about here

If Turkey was "democratic" they wouldn't ban people for speaking Kurdish in parliament

though your argument is right, this statement is wrong. in any country, only the official language is allowed in parliament, in canada, both french and english are official languages, so both are allowed, in germany, only german is the official language, so dont go there and start speaking turkish. same in turkey, where kurdish (whish is not 1 language btw) is not recognised as an official language, so ..

1- want me to take out all your spelling mistakes or should I spare you the embarrassment?

irlandahye, no offence to you, but you keep threatening turks with this one, yet, i must say that in this case, arrow's spelling is greatly superior to yours, if you want to argue, forget spelling, argue facts, not personal features (Փադրիք միշտ ասի կ՛ըսեմ քեզ ուղղագրութիւնի մասի մի խոսիր երբ քուկինդ ատ քան լաւ չէ)

i would rather have a turkish anatolia, so that when the day comes to take our land, we will not have to take it from the kurds...makes the whole ally, enemy system much easier.

[Armenak]

though your argument is right, this statement is wrong. in any country, only the official language is allowed in parliament, in canada, both french and english are official languages, so both are allowed

There was a mistake on my part as well. I said they ban people for speaking Kurdish in parliament. It should have said that they send them to prison.

[Mordoth]

Facts and rights are self servicing in modern-day world. LoL ; since we are not that rich to bribe politicians , threathen the bank-coordinators or bosses of corporations with removal of money and loan bills ; we 'll be keeping up telling the truth to ourselves.

However, Armenian unarmed terrorists , still spread their vile propaganda by humiliating Turks while misinforming residents , who do not know where Turkiye is located.
They automatically hate/dislike Turks by hearing a vile , wrong word of an Armenian. They were such kind of an Evilish nation, i know them.

Our problem is to correct the prejudgements created on the minds of those people by telling and explaining them the truth.

[Hosank]

lol, mordoth, how funny...
i don't think i should even bother commenting on that, since it pretty much destroys itself

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They have a substantial population. Your comment doesn't bug me in the least. I'd rather have a Kurdish Anatolia than a Turkish one. At least the Kurds are Iranic.

Armenia has liberated Artsakh from "Azeri" Turk tyranny. The next most realistic objective would be Nakhichevan.

Where were the Turks when their "Azeri" brethren needed them most? Sipping Turkish coffee on the streets of Istanbul?

I will answer this becouse I think this is a serious question..

ermenistan has liberated Artsakh from women and childern. And it happened right after the wall came down and took everyone by surprise ( nice move too, I must admit. I respect the military brains behind the op.)

But look what happened after that. ermenistan is under blockade and they are dirt poor. And now Azeri are aware of a possible threat and this time they have us for support.

The logical target would be to settle in the lands you gained and hold on to them. Becouse on the next attack you may loose more than you gained last time.

PS: Kurds are known for their bravery while ermenis are known for what? genocide complaints to big brothers

[davit]

Facts and rights are self servicing in modern-day world. LoL ; since we are not that rich to bribe politicians , threathen the bank-coordinators or bosses of corporations with removal of money and loan bills ; we 'll be keeping up telling the truth to ourselves.

However, Armenian unarmed terrorists , still spread their vile propaganda by humiliating Turks while misinforming residents , who do not know where Turkiye is located.
They automatically hate/dislike Turks by hearing a vile , wrong word of an Armenian. They were such kind of an Evilish nation, i know them.

Our problem is to correct the prejudgements created on the minds of those people by telling and explaining them the truth.

i didnt understand but good job making all that up all by ourself

im proud of you!!

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i didnt understand but good job making all that up all by ourself

im proud of you!!

Hey Davit , where in Cali are you ? I was there recently for business.

[Hosank]

euh..arrow..
thatcomment is wrong in several ways..

first of all, the only women and children in artsakh were those killed by azeri soldiers in mardakert in 1992.
meanwhile, 85% of the population of artsakh was ethnic armenians.

second..the conflict didn't just spart and happen without anyone noticing it. the conflict was brewing since 1918, when the azeri turks tried to claime artsakh as theirs, and later, in the 1920s, when the soviets gave artsakh and nakhichevan to the azeris, both of which had large majority ethnic armenian populations. then, all throughout the soviet period, armenians were cleansed out of naxichevan, till there were almost none left by 1991..meanwhile, this policy had begun in artsakh as well..and the armenians, having seen what happened to them in 1915, 1919, and naxichevan were not about to stand by and let it happen.
they protested to the soviet government, so on and so on..then the armenians of baku were massacred. then the azeri soviet forces began to attack armenian villages...THEN..the wall came down and the war started..

i mean..anyone who knows anything would have seen this coming..

and if armenia is now dirt poor, (which it isn't btw..im in it right now..and i can tell you that..it's better off then azerbaijan, even with the blockade) how could it possibly threaten azerbaijan? and is it just me? or is it always aliev the one threatening to march his tanks into erevan?

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Man, I am a Turk and I had no idea that there was a tensşon between Azeri and ermeni since 1915.. But then I am just a regular Turk.

Ermenistan is poor, there is no way you can convince me the other way around.

According to IMF Azerbaycan is #97 and ermenistan is #107 and according to CIA ermenistan is #97 while Azerbaycan is # 88...

And also there is this problem of thugs and mafia in ermenistan which are stealing money from the honest ermenis thus corrupting the percantage of GDP whil Azeri are almost living in equal lives in their state.

Ermenistan is poor and gonna be like that for a looong while...