Armenians, first victims of modern, scientific mass murder Options

[PhilinFL]

First, Hanimefendi posted:

<<hanim
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:

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What about this american professor of Harvard Uni. I wonder if you find him credible:
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On the eve of the Second World War, having evidently learnt nothing from the experiences of his own people in the First, Professor Artashes Abeghian of Munich University wrote a book approving of Nazi racial theories, attempting to show Armenians were Aryans. The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnakts'ut'iun) in America at the same time praised German fascism and Nazi anti-Semitism and racial persecution in its newspaper, Hayrenik; and sponsored the Ts'eghakron, or "Race-Worship" society for young Armenians. General Drastamat ("Dro") Kanayan and Garegin Nzhdeh, both Dashnak heroes today, commanded units in Hitler's army through the war. Since the Dashnaks were anti-Soviet, they were able, like so many other Nazi collaborators, to get off scot-free when the Cold War began and the Soviet Union was declared the new enemy. Dashnak ideology still thrives, in the depraved political climate of countries like Lebanon and Syria; and the opening of Transcaucasian Armenia has enabled the Dashnaks to infect the new republic, as well, with their creed of chauvinism and hatred. There is more and more of it in America, too, and as is so often the case in human affairs, the response has been to deny or underestimate the problem rather than deal with it head on. So what began as a minor issue has been allowed to become a large one.

http://www.commercemarketplace.com/home/na...3_3.htm>>

The link is to a 2003 lecture at Harvard by James R. Russell: <<Philosophers, Mystics, and, Poets; or
The Near East in the Mind of Armenia.>>

The "BigTurk" endorsed the professor as follows:

<<Phil? This is a great American scholour, you asked we provided we always do.>>


The funny thing is that Hanimefendi somehow forgot to include the sentence that began the same paragraph she quoted. It reads:

<< Plenty followed the Aryan fallacy into the same inferno, including Armenians, even though Armenians proved to be the first victims of modern, scientific mass murder.>>

WHO COMMITTED MODERN, SCIENTIFIC MASS MURDER AGAINST THE ARMENIANS, FOLKS??!!

I think we should all thank these honest Turks for finally confessing to the hideous crime that their government has denied for so long.

[HBK]

Phil wrote:

WHO COMMITTED MODERN, SCIENTIFIC MASS MURDER AGAINST THE ARMENIANS, FOLKS??!!

HEEEEEYYYY!!!!

I was gonna ask that!

[PhilinFL]

Phil wrote:

WHO COMMITTED MODERN, SCIENTIFIC MASS MURDER AGAINST THE ARMENIANS, FOLKS??!!

HEEEEEYYYY!!!!

I was gonna ask that!

Come on, HBK, let's not dwell on the negative. Let's all shout out a big, "THANK YOU!!" to the MEIC Turks who have been honest enough to endorse the idea that their country committed the first "MODERN, SCIENTIFIC MASS MURDER" in history.

This is an important confession...and CONFESSION IS GOOD FOR THE SOUL!!

[Yerevan]

THANK YOU.

[chase]

First, Hanimefendi posted:

<<hanim
Poster 400

Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Posts: 453

Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:

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What about this american professor of Harvard Uni. I wonder if you find him credible:
Quote:
On the eve of the Second World War, having evidently learnt nothing from the experiences of his own people in the First, Professor Artashes Abeghian of Munich University wrote a book approving of Nazi racial theories, attempting to show Armenians were Aryans. The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnakts'ut'iun) in America at the same time praised German fascism and Nazi anti-Semitism and racial persecution in its newspaper, Hayrenik; and sponsored the Ts'eghakron, or \"Race-Worship\" society for young Armenians. General Drastamat (\"Dro\") Kanayan and Garegin Nzhdeh, both Dashnak heroes today, commanded units in Hitler's army through the war. Since the Dashnaks were anti-Soviet, they were able, like so many other Nazi collaborators, to get off scot-free when the Cold War began and the Soviet Union was declared the new enemy. Dashnak ideology still thrives, in the depraved political climate of countries like Lebanon and Syria; and the opening of Transcaucasian Armenia has enabled the Dashnaks to infect the new republic, as well, with their creed of chauvinism and hatred. There is more and more of it in America, too, and as is so often the case in human affairs, the response has been to deny or underestimate the problem rather than deal with it head on. So what began as a minor issue has been allowed to become a large one.

http://www.commercemarketplace.com/home/na...3_3.htm>>

The link is to a 2003 lecture at Harvard by James R. Russell: <<Philosophers, Mystics, and, Poets; or
The Near East in the Mind of Armenia.>>

The \"BigTurk\" endorsed the professor as follows:

<<Phil? This is a great American scholour, you asked we provided we always do.>>


The funny thing is that Hanimefendi somehow forgot to include the sentence that began the same paragraph she quoted. It reads:

<< Plenty followed the Aryan fallacy into the same inferno, including Armenians, even though Armenians proved to be the first victims of modern, scientific mass murder.>>

WHO COMMITTED MODERN, SCIENTIFIC MASS MURDER AGAINST THE ARMENIANS, FOLKS??!!

I think we should all thank these honest Turks for finally confessing to the hideous crime that their government has denied for so long.

They obviously approve of this professor phil otherwise they wouldn't have used him as a source therefore they accept the content of his research which is: "Armenians proved to be the first victims of modern, scientific mass murder."

Well done phil - you ain't a lawyer for nothing.

[Yerevan]

Yes indeed.

[PhilinFL]

Thanks so much, Chase--IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK!

These Turkish fascisti here better watch out... you are TANNED, RESTED, AND READY!

I can't tell you how many trials I won by using the testimony of THE PROSECUTION'S WITNESSES to demonstrate the Defendant was not guilty...but NEVER did they give me a witness who proved THE PROSECUTOR WAS GUILTY!!

WAS THAT AWESOME OR WHAT?! AND THE WAY HANIM TRIED TO HIDE "THE BAD PART," SOOOO CLUMSY...

[concheet]

"MODERN, SCIENTIFIC MASS MURDER "

hmmm.... but is it 'genocide'? After all, Bernard Lewis and Great Britain and even US are not satisfied it 'qualifies' as a 'genocide'. Maybe we can just refer to [b]'modern, scientific mass murder' instead of "genocide" and that should satisfy everybody?

[PhilinFL]

But Conch, didn't the guy who actually originated the term "genocide" (name escapes now--Raphael Lemkin?) specifically refer to the Armenians as victims of genocide?

In any event, I'm surprised our Turkish colleagues haven't posted here to take a bow and accept our thanks for their candor?!

[Yerevan]

You are right Phil

The Armenian Genocide is corroborated by the international scholarly, legal, and human rights community:

1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide.
2) The killings of the Armenians is genocide as defined by the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

3) In 1997 the International Association of Genocide Scholars, an organization of the world’s foremost experts on genocide, unanimously passed a formal resolution affirming the Armenian Genocide.

4) 126 leading scholars of the Holocaust including Elie Wiesel and Yehuda Bauer placed a statement in the New York Times in June 2000 declaring the “incontestable fact of the Armenian Genocide” and urging western democracies to acknowledge it.

5) The Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide (Jerusalem), and the Institute for the Study of Genocide (NYC) have affirmed the historical fact of the Armenian Genocide.

6) Leading texts in the international law of genocide such as William A. Schabas’s Genocide in International Law (Cambridge University Press, 2000) cite the Armenian Genocide as a precursor to the Holocaust and as a precedent for the law on crimes against humanity

[concheet]

Read what Israel Charny, the Director of the Holocaust and Genocide museum in Jerusalem and the editor of the Encyclopedia of Genocide said about denial:

[list]

[chase]

[quote=concheet]Read what Israel Charny, the Director of the Holocaust and Genocide museum in Jerusalem and the editor of the Encyclopedia of Genocide said about denial:

[list]

Turkey continues with their onslaught on the Kurds. They apologize for the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian Genocide then they must do the same for the Kurds which would mean they'd have to give the Kurds their independence and a state along with the Assyrians as restitution and that doesn't meet with their primary aim - that of expansion!

[Dîrî]

THANK YOU TURKS...

SHARE THE DREAM...

[PhilinFL]

Yerevan, do you know the respective population counts of Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Azerbaijan? Also their square miles of territory?

Thank you.

[Yerevan]

ARMENIA

11,500 sq. miles

Population about 3 million

NAGORNO KARABAKH

1853 sq. miles

Population about 150,000

AZERBAIJAN

31350 sq. miles (give or take, not including Karabakh)

Population about 8 million

[concheet]

ARMENIA

11,500 sq. miles

Population about 3 million

NAGORNO KARABAKH

1853 sq. miles

Population about 150,000

AZERBAIJAN

31350 sq. miles (give or take, not including Karabakh)

Population about 8 million

Wouldn't you know?

[chase]

THANK YOU TURKS...

SHARE THE DREAM...

I'll drink to that diri. lol

[chase]

ARMENIA

11,500 sq. miles

Population about 3 million

NAGORNO KARABAKH

1853 sq. miles

Population about 150,000

AZERBAIJAN

31350 sq. miles (give or take, not including Karabakh)

Population about 8 million

Wouldn't you know?

Yeah! They want it all but the Armenians aren't giving an inch nor should they...

Turkey the pan-expansionist - gobble gobble - republic. Aptly named!

[PhilinFL]

Conch, you see why I say Armenia's posttion reminds me of Israel's?

[concheet]

Yes, a tiny country surrounded by enemies that want to kill them and take over, enemies that spread anti- Armenian propaganda and revisionist history throughout the world, in an attempt to incite hatred as a means to excuse a future attempt at genocide? Did I miss something?

[Yerevan]

You pretty much covered it.

[PhilinFL]

Well, you did miss the part of the dramatic liberation war against the more numerous, cruel, but poorly-led and corrupt enemy--THE BEST PART!!

[Yerevan]

LOL, You are very correct.

[concheet]

Well, you did miss the part of the dramatic liberation war against the more numerous, cruel, but poorly-led and corrupt enemy--THE BEST PART!!

jeez, I guess I did. But that War of Liberation did cause the death of 1% of Israel's population, as well as ~1% of the Arab population.

It simply never ceases to amaze me how little some people have progressed since the apes...

[Yerevan]

Yes, but if it wasn't for the War of Liberation, we would of lost much more of our countrymen. I can't speak for Israelis, but I'm very sure that if Armenia did not interfere, there would be no Armenians in Nagorno Karabakh.

[PhilinFL]

Yes, but if it wasn't for the War of Liberation, we would of lost much more of our countrymen. I can't speak for Israelis, but I'm very sure that if Armenia did not interfere, there would be no Armenians in Nagorno Karabakh.

EXACTLY!!

[concheet]

True but that would be a difference not a similarity. Unless one wanted to equate Nagorno Karabakh with Gaza ... or West Bank... ??

[PhilinFL]

A little of 1948 and a little of 1967...the analogy is NOT exact, but it is spookily close.

[fremen]

Ok this is another thread that will go under validation.

from http://www.commercemarketplace.com/home/na...AASR_2003_3.htm

1. James R. Russell - is stated to be a valid scholar by BigTurk, Hanim and Phil.
2. James R. Russell states:
“The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnakts'ut'iun) in America at the same time praised German fascism and Nazi anti-Semitism and racial persecution in its newspaper, Hayrenik; and sponsored the Ts'eghakron, or "Race-Worship" society for young Armenians. General Drastamat ("Dro") Kanayan and Garegin Nzhdeh, both Dashnak heroes today, commanded units in Hitler's army through the war.”

This pushes the MEIC position on General Dro and currently the Hayrenik is being researched to either prove or disprove General Dro’s status via the Library of Congress.

3. James R. Russell states:
“Plenty followed the Aryan fallacy into the same inferno, including Armenians, even though Armenians proved to be the first victims of modern, scientific mass murder.”

This is a big but inconclusive statement. It will be researched by what Russell states is the executor behind “victims of modern, scientific mass murder.”

Therefore, MEIC has reversed the title of this thread until conclusive proof instead of assumption can be obtained.