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> Selected From Old Nytimes Papers, More evidences about armenian lies!
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Below excerpted headlines were selected from old NYTimes papers

Please relay this message to Senator Schiff and others in Congress

Gentlemen

Below excerpted headlines were selected from old NYTimes papersand are self-explanatory and evidencing about the innocence of Armenians. Honorable Senator Schiff may be reimbursing the support of his Armenian voters, by generalization of baseless hearsays, without any tolerance of an opposite comment, in a "lynch-style" mood of justice! Are these headlines a lie or wrong ? I am prepared to supply to Est. Senator Schiff and others proof of the LIE attributed to Hitler, which enabled the Nazist Dashnak soldiers, 'become suddenly innocent Armenian=Russian soldiers', receiving large quotas for acceptance as immigrants into USA. The Armenian Nazi battalions (several of them) were used in rounding up Jews, other than fighting against the Allies, paradoxically when the Turkish Ambassador in Paris 1939-1943 Mr Behic Erkin provided some 19.000 Turkish ID papers to Jews and saved them from death by sending them with several trains to Turkey . The Dashnakist terrorist Dro-Andranik who had committed several terror murders on innocent Moslems during WWI, was active again in WWII, in charge of the German Nazi Armenian battalions and "his services to Germans". were rewarded by USA , by welcoming him as an immigrant hero into USA !... Gentlemen, are you scared to learn the truth and stand up for reason,justice and compassion? I, as an elderly man with too many friends in USA ,. am losing the last shreds of confidence in the U.S. justice and neutrality!. If needed, I will be most pleasesed to supply PLENTY written evidence from USA sources, showing the shallowness of the charges and erroneous conclusions which have been taken for granted, and which I hope that can still be rectified.

Kind regards

(A true friend of USA for more than half a century) - Sukru S. Aya

( Ch. 9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov.2,1895: AGGRESSIONS OF ARMENIANS – Evidence of the Riots at Bitlis and Zeitun Shows Premeditation …. Zeitoun is peopled by Armenian mountaineers. After killing the Major of the gendarmes and five other men here, the Armenians burned the Mohammedan village of Karmili .

The run on the Bank of Constantinople on Thursday was organized by Armenians with the intent to depreciate Turkish stock. Measures have been taken to prevent such a plan being successful.


(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Dec.15, 1895: ARMS AND BOMBS FOR ZEITUN – Armenians Start from Hudich with Connivance of Authorities…


(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Dec. 21, 1895: A MASSACRE AT ZEITOUN - Insurgents Kill All Turkish Soldiers in Town Except Two (a Colonel and adjutant) - Terrell will Start for Smyrna - Armenian Patriarch Denies Accusations of the Porte Against Christians


(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Feb. 8, 1896: ZEITOUN STILL BESIEGED – Consuls Cannot Guarantee the Safety of the Inhabitants – No Provisions Needed Savc Salt - Turkey’s Sultan Assures Queen Victoria that the Armenians Attacked the Mussulmans in Mosque….



(Ch.25)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Feb.14, 1896: TURKISH AMNESTY TO ZEITOUN - Armenians are Pardoned and a Christian Governor is Promised…



(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Feb.19, 1896: SURRENDER OF ZEITOUN – Turks Finally Placed in Possession of the Fortified City - Five of the Hintchaks Exiled – Murad Ben Convicted and Sentenced to Death for Attacks on the Sultan…



(Ch.19)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, May 23, 1896: REFUGEES IN ZEITOUN - A Great Deal of Money Necessary to Aid Them Properly…. As a matter of fact with massacre, and famine, and sickness, probably not less than 5,000 people have died. This number both includes refugees and natives of Zeitoun Sickness is very prevalent, the chief trouble being typhus and dysentery….



(Ch.13)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Sept. 23, 1896: ARMENIAN BOMBS EXHIBITED – Constantinople Sept.22:

The Artillery Department of the War Office has on exhibition 170 Armenian bombs from 5 to 9 inches in length, which the authorities discovered in an Armenian bomb factory in this city.



(Ch.4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Sept. 24, 1896: SWORN TO RUIN THE PORTE – Armenian Societies Active in Constantinople - They Receive Orders from a Secret Central Committee - They Are Responsible for the Recent Disturbances – France Has Begun Negotiations to Settle the Turkish Question, with the Aid of England and Russia, at Once….



(Ch.28)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, May 23, 1897: : Turk and Armenian – From the Atlantic Monthly

“It must be admitted that the Armenians are not an easy people to get on with. They are distinguished by an energy, a busy-ness, and a fondness for acquisition that are almost super-occidental. They are selfish, personally unattractive, and strikingly lacking in traits of nobility and self respect. The average Armenian is unquestionably of sharp intelligence as far as the small things go. The saying is that it takes ten Jews to outwit one Greek, and ten Greeks to outwit one Armenian. He is unquestionably extremely irritating to the quietistic, resigned, fatalistic Turk. The two have little in common. The Armenian is clearly a pestilent fellow, and the Turk has decided to get rid of him. The Armenian is clearly a pestilent source of unrest. He is a “kicker”. What men do with “kickers”, in the Occidental scheme of things, is to vote them down. The Turk knows no other way than to stub them down, cut their heads off, or sink them in the Sea of Marmora . He is applying the triune receipt with patient zeal as occasion offers.



( Ch. 9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 5, 1914: RUSSIAN INVASION of ARMENIA BEGUN – Several Towns Taken – Czar Has Splendid Native Soldiers to Fight the Turks “ …..




( Ch. 10)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov.6, 1914” ARMENIAN CITIES TAKEN – Russians Report Victories Near Border – Turks Abandon Wounded - British Annex Cyprus - THE ALLIES DECLARE WAR …



( Ch. 9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov.7, 1914: ARMENIANS FIGHTING TURKS – Besieging Van – Others Operating in Turkish Army’s Rear

London, Sat. Nov.7: The Turkish town of Van (140 miles southeast of Erzurum , Turkish Armenia) is being besieged by a detachment of Armenians, who are aiding the Russians. The town has a large arsenal. Another Armenian detachment is operating in the rear of the Turkish Army”



( Ch. 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 10,1914: RUSSIANS TAKE TURKS’ FOR NEAR ERZURUM – In Pursuit of Kurdish Cavalry – Armenian Students Enthusiastic Volunteers in Petrograd ….



( Ch. 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 13, 1914: TURKISH ARMENIANS IN ARMED REVOLT – Were Ready to Join Russian Invaders Having Drilled and Collected Arms. See Day of Deliverance. Native Paper Says They Are Prepared for Any Sacrifice – Refuse to Join Turkish Army

Petrograd , Nov. 12,: Reports reaching the Russian capital from the Turkish border attach increasing importance to the part the Armenians are playing in the Russo - Turkish war…..



( Ch. 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Jan. 8, 1915: FROM AMERICA TO FIGHT – Detachment of Armenians Welcomed Enthusiastically in Tiflis ….



(Ch.4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Sept. 29, 1915: ARMENIANS’ OWN FAULT, BERNSTORFF NOW SAYS – They Brought Reprisals on Themselves by Trying to Stir Up Rebellion Against Turkey - Special to NYT



( Ch. 6)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES” Oct. 28, 1915: THE LIGHT THAT MAY GO OUT IN TURKEY - What the Armenians Have Done to Sustain Christianity and Western Civilization in the Household of the Prophet

By Arshag Mahdesian – Armenian Editor and Publicist



( Ch. 15)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Oct.22, 1915: ONLY 200.000 ARMENIANS NOW LEFT IN TURKEY

More Than 1.000.000 Killed, Enslaved or Exiled, Says a Tiflis Paper

London Oct.21- The estimate is made by the Armenian newspaper Mshak that of the 1,200.000 Armenian inhabitants of Turket before the war there remain not more than 200.0000…. The figures of the Mshak are based on the estimate of the Armenian Patriarch at Constantinople that 850,000 Armenians have been killed or enslaved by the Turks, in addition to which 200.000 Armenians are believed to have fled to Russia .



(Ch, 25)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES”, Nov.22, 1915: REBEL TURK FOR ARMENIANS – Djemal Pasha Orders Two of Their Oppressors Hanged: Berlin – Nov. 21: “Telegrams from Damascus state that Djemal Pasha, commander of the Turkish forces in Syria, has ordered that the chiefs of two Turkish bands be hanged for ill treatment of Armenians...”

Much that has been said and written about CUP’s scheme to massacre all Armenians, above clip proves that the very opposite was true and that Djemal Pasha (later to be assassinated by the Dashnaks for villainy) who had sheltered and fed many Armenian orphans, was a man of justice and military honor. Below excerpt is from :



( Ch. 13 )

“ THE NEW YORK TIMES” March 12, 1916: BEAT OFF 4.000 TURKS – Armenian Refugees on Mount Moses Had only 127 rifles….



( Ch. 19)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, April 2, 1916: TURKEY WANTS AID FOR 500.000 STARVING – Her Own People, Not Armenian Refugees - American Red Cross Cables $ 10.000

….. Great suffering throughout country, particularly at Constantinople and suburbs…. No relief in sight, Typhus spreading with high mortality… Supplies cannot be shipped to Turkey from America because of the Allies’ blockade and foodstuffs probably will be purchased by the Red Cross and sent from Rumania …

(Note: The Allies blockade was lifted only for the ships carrying relief goods to Christians)



(Ch. 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES Oct. 18, 1916: THE KIND OF ARMENIANS A TURK KNOWS – They Betray Their Rulers, Take Refuge in Christian Missions, and Have to be Dealt With as Dangerous Rebels…



( Ch. 19)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 26, 1916: SEND SHIP TO AID STARVING ARMENIA – Syrians Too, Will Share in $ 250.000 Cargo on Collier Caesar - FIVE MILLIONS ARE NEEDED ….

$ 2.000.000 has been applied to the relief of Armenian, Syrian and Assyrian war sufferers in the Near East …”

( Ch. 9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov.2,1895: AGGRESSIONS OF ARMENIANS – Evidence of the Riots at Bitlis and Zeitun Shows Premeditation …. Zeitoun is peopled by Armenian mountaineers. After killing the Major of the gendarmes and five other men here, the Armenians burned the Mohammedan village of Karmili .

The run on the Bank of Constantinople on Thursday was organized by Armenians with the intent to depreciate Turkish stock. Measures have been taken to prevent such a plan being successful.



(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Dec.15, 1895: ARMS AND BOMBS FOR ZEITUN – Armenians Start from Hudich with Connivance of Authorities…



(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Dec. 21, 1895: A MASSACRE AT ZEITOUN - Insurgents Kill All Turkish Soldiers in Town Except Two (a Colonel and adjutant) - Terrell will Start for Smyrna - Armenian Patriarch Denies Accusations of the Porte Against Christians



(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Feb. 8, 1896: ZEITOUN STILL BESIEGED – Consuls Cannot Guarantee the Safety of the Inhabitants – No Provisions Needed Savc Salt - Turkey’s Sultan Assures Queen Victoria that the Armenians Attacked the Mussulmans in Mosque….



(Ch.25)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Feb.14, 1896: TURKISH AMNESTY TO ZEITOUN - Armenians are Pardoned and a Christian Governor is Promised…



(Ch.9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Feb.19, 1896: SURRENDER OF ZEITOUN – Turks Finally Placed in Possession of the Fortified City - Five of the Hintchaks Exiled – Murad Ben Convicted and Sentenced to Death for Attacks on the Sultan…



(Ch.19)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, May 23, 1896: REFUGEES IN ZEITOUN - A Great Deal of Money Necessary to Aid Them Properly…. As a matter of fact with massacre, and famine, and sickness, probably not less than 5,000 people have died. This number both includes refugees and natives of Zeitoun Sickness is very prevalent, the chief trouble being typhus and dysentery….



(Ch.13)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Sept. 23, 1896: ARMENIAN BOMBS EXHIBITED – Constantinople Sept.22:

The Artillery Department of the War Office has on exhibition 170 Armenian bombs from 5 to 9 inches in length, which the authorities discovered in an Armenian bomb factory in this city.



(Ch.4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Sept. 24, 1896: SWORN TO RUIN THE PORTE – Armenian Societies Active in Constantinople - They Receive Orders from a Secret Central Committee - They Are Responsible for the Recent Disturbances – France Has Begun Negotiations to Settle the Turkish Question, with the Aid of England and Russia, at Once….



(Ch.28)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, May 23, 1897: : Turk and Armenian – From the Atlantic Monthly

“It must be admitted that the Armenians are not an easy people to get on with. They are distinguished by an energy, a busy-ness, and a fondness for acquisition that are almost super-occidental. They are selfish, personally unattractive, and strikingly lacking in traits of nobility and self respect. The average Armenian is unquestionably of sharp intelligence as far as the small things go. The saying is that it takes ten Jews to outwit one Greek, and ten Greeks to outwit one Armenian. He is unquestionably extremely irritating to the quietistic, resigned, fatalistic Turk. The two have little in common. The Armenian is clearly a pestilent fellow, and the Turk has decided to get rid of him. The Armenian is clearly a pestilent source of unrest. He is a “kicker”. What men do with “kickers”, in the Occidental scheme of things, is to vote them down. The Turk knows no other way than to stub them down, cut their heads off, or sink them in the Sea of Marmora . He is applying the triune receipt with patient zeal as occasion offers.



(Chapter 9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 5, 1914: RUSSIAN INVASION of ARMENIA BEGUN – Several Towns Taken – Czar Has Splendid Native Soldiers to Fight the Turks “ …..





(Chapter 10)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov.6, 1914” ARMENIAN CITIES TAKEN – Russians Report Victories Near Border – Turks Abandon Wounded - British Annex Cyprus - THE ALLIES DECLARE WAR …



(Chapter 9)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov.7, 1914: ARMENIANS FIGHTING TURKS – Besieging Van – Others Operating in Turkish Army’s Rear

London, Sat. Nov.7: The Turkish town of Van (140 miles southeast of Erzurum , Turkish Armenia) is being besieged by a detachment of Armenians, who are aiding the Russians. The town has a large arsenal. Another Armenian detachment is operating in the rear of the Turkish Army”



(Chapter 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 10,1914: RUSSIANS TAKE TURKS’ FOR NEAR ERZURUM – In Pursuit of Kurdish Cavalry – Armenian Students Enthusiastic Volunteers in Petrograd ….



(Chapter 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 13, 1914: TURKISH ARMENIANS IN ARMED REVOLT – Were Ready to Join Russian Invaders Having Drilled and Collected Arms. See Day of Deliverance. Native Paper Says They Are Prepared for Any Sacrifice – Refuse to Join Turkish Army

Petrograd , Nov. 12,: Reports reaching the Russian capital from the Turkish border attach increasing importance to the part the Armenians are playing in the Russo - Turkish war…..



(Chapter 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Jan. 8, 1915: FROM AMERICA TO FIGHT – Detachment of Armenians Welcomed Enthusiastically in Tiflis ….



(Ch.4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Sept. 29, 1915: ARMENIANS’ OWN FAULT, BERNSTORFF NOW SAYS – They Brought Reprisals on Themselves by Trying to Stir Up Rebellion Against Turkey - Special to NYT



(Chapter 6)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES” Oct. 28, 1915: THE LIGHT THAT MAY GO OUT IN TURKEY - What the Armenians Have Done to Sustain Christianity and Western Civilization in the Household of the Prophet

By Arshag Mahdesian – Armenian Editor and Publicist



(Chapter 15)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Oct.22, 1915: ONLY 200.000 ARMENIANS NOW LEFT IN TURKEY

More Than 1.000.000 Killed, Enslaved or Exiled, Says a Tiflis Paper

London Oct.21- The estimate is made by the Armenian newspaper Mshak that of the 1,200.000 Armenian inhabitants of Turket before the war there remain not more than 200.0000…. The figures of the Mshak are based on the estimate of the Armenian Patriarch at Constantinople that 850,000 Armenians have been killed or enslaved by the Turks, in addition to which 200.000 Armenians are believed to have fled to Russia .



(Chapter 25)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES”, Nov.22, 1915: REBEL TURK FOR ARMENIANS – Djemal Pasha Orders Two of Their Oppressors Hanged: Berlin – Nov. 21: “Telegrams from Damascus state that Djemal Pasha, commander of the Turkish forces in Syria, has ordered that the chiefs of two Turkish bands be hanged for ill treatment of Armenians...”

Much that has been said and written about CUP’s scheme to massacre all Armenians, above clip proves that the very opposite was true and that Djemal Pasha (later to be assassinated by the Dashnaks for villainy) who had sheltered and fed many Armenian orphans, was a man of justice and military honor. Below excerpt is from :



(Chapter 13 )

“ THE NEW YORK TIMES” March 12, 1916: BEAT OFF 4.000 TURKS – Armenian Refugees on Mount Moses Had only 127 rifles….



(Chapter 19)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, April 2, 1916: TURKEY WANTS AID FOR 500.000 STARVING – Her Own People, Not Armenian Refugees - American Red Cross Cables $ 10.000

….. Great suffering throughout country, particularly at Constantinople and suburbs…. No relief in sight, Typhus spreading with high mortality… Supplies cannot be shipped to Turkey from America because of the Allies’ blockade and foodstuffs probably will be purchased by the Red Cross and sent from Rumania …

(Note: The Allies blockade was lifted only for the ships carrying relief goods to Christians)



(Chapter 4)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES Oct. 18, 1916: THE KIND OF ARMENIANS A TURK KNOWS – They Betray Their Rulers, Take Refuge in Christian Missions, and Have to be Dealt With as Dangerous Rebels…



(Chapter 19)

“THE NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 26, 1916: SEND SHIP TO AID STARVING ARMENIA – Syrians Too, Will Share in $ 250.000 Cargo on Collier Caesar - FIVE MILLIONS ARE NEEDED ….

$ 2.000.000 has been applied to the relief of Armenian, Syrian and Assyrian war sufferers in the Near East …”


WOW!!! This big evidence from USA NY Times sources.

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about your picture...

does it no go against all your claims that we armenians, greeks, kurds, Assyrians are evil racists and expansionists?
you just showed s map of you taking over our countries..
let me ask you why azerbaijan is independent though isn't it part of your turanic dream to have it in the same nation?

yes, you just placed the somewhat inacurate timeline of the war in the caucasian front..
that proves nothing for you, only that there was a war.
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can you show us headlines photocopied from the newspaper itself?
any old turk could just type out those headlines easily.
got any links to your source?
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( Ch. 13 )

“ THE NEW YORK TIMES” March 12, 1916: BEAT OFF 4.000 TURKS – Armenian Refugees on Mount Moses Had only 127 rifles….


pwn'ed by 127 Armenians, wow, i don't deny that one, since who could only have 127 rifles and such determination to survive than Armenians who were facing certain extermination after the weapons confiscations.

nice try prot9999
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yah that is what i was saying..he didn't even read all the headlines before posting this..

but once again..


i doubt this one is true:
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“THE NEW YORK TIMES Oct. 18, 1916: THE KIND OF ARMENIANS A TURK KNOWS – They Betray Their Rulers, Take Refuge in Christian Missions, and Have to be Dealt With as Dangerous Rebels…
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