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 09/28/06 07:33 AM
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after seeing these pictures, i suddenly have more respect for turks...
obviously they are good at pillagind killing massacre, rape...destruction and so on, then why not genocide? if turks throughout the ages were able to do all what you show here....
and woooww,, turks with flags are hanging off a helicopter borrowed from the usa, with weapons borrowed from the usa, im inpressed, they are obviously good fighters
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10/10/06 08:15 AM
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I was not about to reply on this topic . But you guyz forced me to do that . QIRT Boss The Turk is the only master in his country. Those who are not pure Turks have one right in this country: The right to be servants, the right to be slaves" Ataturk's minister of Justice, September 1930This words belonged to MAHMUD ESAD BOZKURT who was a TURKIST like whole Turkish public . WE AGREE WITH HIM by ALL OUR HEART ...  Hosank ; Yeah, No Muslim hates you or others . Since your brethren wanna kill us ; we wish to defend ourselves in a way . veritas , Ridiculous ...
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10/11/06 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 10/11/06 09:21 PM) [snapback]94829[/snapback]
is this really a member of attaturks cabinet who said that?
isn't it ironic that he was serving a non-turk? attaturk is yougoslav...ever wonder why he has brown hair and light skin? he is no ethnic turk..
and if he said such a thing, that is one of the most racist things i have ever read, and you openly identify with that..think of it this way: armenians are not : pure turks..so you have 2 choices...make them servants (as you did for 400 years) or make them dissapear so you can have a land only for the pure turk..
so you chose...Both above answers...
good turk..how could a people, who's government make such racist comments AFTER HAVING JUST COMMITED GENOCIDE...be able to massacre 1.5 million armenians...its just unthinkable right? lol
Right , It was Mahmud Esad Bozkurt , a pan-turkist , and none knows what Ataturk has reacted to such a quote . Serving to a non-Turk? Are you wasting that just because of his Blondy and Blue Eyed Phenotype ? LoL , that is ridiculous 'cuz Pecheneg - Avar - Yoruk Turks are generally look like Europeans . ( Descendants of Bosniak - Magyar ( Hungarian ) - Finnish basicly pechenegs ) ATATURK IS A TURK OF KONYA who is from the village of KONYACIK / Selanik ( now thessaloniki  ) It is not racism , it is a quote when he was furious about the revolts that is provoked from OUTSIDE .( turkiye was about to strike to english dominion of Iraq to re-found ottomans such a movement that properly ordered Arabic leaders to found a new CONFEDERATE STATE against Imperialists . Syrian Delegates have fled from French-occupied lands , and Beseeched ATATURK for help . And Ataturk Said ; - Do it with youR NATIONAL faith and power yourself ; we could send you reinforcements . If necessary ; WE COULD DRIVE FURTHER AND RETREAT FROM YOUR LANDS . )
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10/16/06 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 10/16/06 07:04 PM) [snapback]95214[/snapback]
attaturk is of one of the bosnian tribes that have been assimilated by the turks...like you...into 'being turks'..he is ethnicly european...not turkik/mongolic..if you get what i mean...you simply added the word turk behind...
wether the man was mad or not, it is still racist and you know it..
not to mention contradictory
We simply laugh @ you , nothing more , and it seems you immitate a genius who has plenty of information about BOSNIAN tribes , but acts nothing more than an ignorant . - No Bosnian tribe had situated beyond the frontiers of Modern-day Greece . LoL . And the term , assimilated , is one of Anti-Turkish phenomena which does not reflect the reality . In fact ; Turkish genes have never and ever been changed since 2000 years .
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10/21/06 04:01 AM
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QUOTE borders of greece? what does that change exactly? I say " NO Bosniak tribe existed beyond the frontiers of Modern-day Greece " . So it is impossible for ATATURK to be a Bosnjak . ( However , Bosnjaks are also descends of Avar-Pecenek Turks ( Hun ) , does not matter ) Ataturk is the purest Turk ever . And i 've a friend and he was also a YORUK ; who has brown hair ,skin and eyes . But his father was Blue eyed and Blondy . Yoruks are immigrants of Golden Horde . @Veritas haha, I'm sorry and perhaps you did not see the icon " " there . I dunno whether the man in the illustration is a Christian or not . LoL
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10/28/06 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 10/28/06 04:23 PM) [snapback]96527[/snapback]
i love how...every tribe...
has its little turkish name for you..
the huns..are... Avar-Pecenek Turks ...cuuuteee
everyone is turk in your opinion...
bosniacs are slavs to start with...and ottoman borders were in yougoslavia at the time of attaturks birth so...
attaturc was slav..
and just because someone is dark and has a blond father means nothing..it only means that his turkish mother married a non-turk...and..because dark geens go over lighter ones..the kid was dark,..
Hosank; I think , you've written all those with a sense of fury , i dont know why . Every nation on the universe , has a little relation with Turks ( Huns ) a little bit . Hunnic State of Europe had many subtribes . Avars and Pechenegs were 2 of them . And they've migrated to Eastern Roman side . And actually , assimilated under the rule of Slavic publics and ancient-Grek culture . Those Turks may have been mixed with slavs and what if they did ? No Nation could be isolated in such a way , and absolutely ; you are wrong about "the Situation of Selanik ". It was in the territory of Western Thrace Govenment which was revoluted by left-winger tyrant Greeks . So , Selanik was a Turkish city with 0.00000001 % slavic population . 40 % Jewish 35 % Turkish the rest Bulgarian , Ionian ...etc And i can differ anyone whether he/she is slavic or not . By looking @ the lines of face
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10/29/06 09:26 PM
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TURKISH MONUMENTs of the TIMURID ERA  Turquoise Mosque , Mashed , IRAN   MADRASA OF ULUGH BEG , SAMARKAND   MIR CAKMAK Theatr ; YEZD ; IRAN   - Great Mosque of HERAT   The Mauloseum of Shah Nemadullah; Iran PERFECT ARTISANs AND BRILLIANCE of ARCHITECTURE    The Minaret of Kaljan ; Bukhara ... ( approximately 50 meters high ) QUOTE We may say, that the peoples of Central Asia started to become sedentary on a great scale with the effors of Timur. This phenommenon continued during the reign of other Timurids. The picture of this period is as follows.
Although the Chaghatai Khans had accepted Islam before,they were not scrit in following its requerements.Thic fact had offened the Ulema,the Shaykhs,and Sayyids,so that when Timur had entered Samarkand as the governor of Transox_ ania,appointed by Tughluq Temur,the people of Samarkand had welcomed him as a hero.(27)
After acquiring full power and the title of Ship-qiran in Balkh, Timur be gan to fulfill the promises that he had made to the Sayyids and Shaykhs. He also diminished the exiting precedence of the Yasa of Chinggis over the religious law or the S haira.(28) For matters concerning of Koranic law,be appointed Cadi's and he established certain regulations to prevent conflicts between the Yasa and the Sharia.
Timur understood the fact that the Turks could only establish a powerful state if they would combine their nomadic traditions and customs with Islamic law and practices and would at least partly abandon nomadic life and settle in fertile lands.Timur.at the beginning of his power said,"If we can make the protection of the people and the winning of their hearts to our side the basis of this state,then we can be sure of the future,".Also throught an envoy he said to Emir Husayn,"Our opposition to each other can lead to the destruction of our country.In your wisdom I ask you to consider this matter. Work for the development of our country and the people.(29) Therefore, he put great importance on the constpuction of settlements, roads, and irrigation works.Construction was one of Timur's main preoccupation. He built a bridge on the Balkh River in order to make it eaiser to go to Kesh.He repaired the city of Kesh and built the Aqsarai Place beautifully. When Toqtamish took Tabtiz and pillaged it and destroyed the Masjid and Madrasa,Timur was worried.After wards,he repaired Tabriz with his yasaq and justice.(30) He continued his constructions in Shiraz by building a Madrasa, Mascit and Hayrat. He also brought water into various parts of the city. In 1396, he built a magnificient mansion for the daughter of Amirzade Amiranshah. (31) After bringing welfare to Transoxania he started to make constructions in a place in Baylakan, in Iran. Thinking of the welfare and happiness of the people who were living there,Timur constructed canals which brought water from the river Aras thus irrigating this area. (32)
Timur not only constructed new canals,but also gave them Turkish names. We see that most of the irrigation canals were named after his Turkish emirs. We know from the works of geographers of the tenth century, such as Istakhri and Muqaddasi and from Yaqut Hamami, who was in Transoxania and Khorezm during the period of the Khorezmshahs, that most cities, towns and villages had Arabic and Iranian names.(33) But later, Nafiz Arbu gave the names two twenty canals constructed by Timur's order, and nine of these canals bear the names of Timur's emirs.
The improvemet of agriculte was one of the main objectives of Timur.For instance,the city of Urgench,the population of which had been mostly put to sword by Chinggis Khan,was ordered by Timur to be repopulated and sowed wiht barley.(34) At his time, Samarkand was a Center of productivity in many lines.Agriculture was encouraged with irrigational development.Sericultere was promoted and the artisans that were brought into the capital included skilled workers from many parts of southwest Asia.(35) In order to encourage agricultere,Timur had imposed a new tax system.The new tax was fixed at a third of the produce on all irrigated land,besides a certain due for useing water from the public reservoirs;but any culvivator who built a thank,planted a grove,or brought new land under cultivation paid no revenue for the first and second years. (36) His strong hand was extended no less over agricultere and industry,than over commerce.The land was fertilized by artificial irrigation .Canals,bridges,orchards and workshops abuonded.He promoted sericultere and transferred to Samarkand the ablest silk-spinners and silk-weavers of Persia and Syria.He commanded that commanded that cotton, hemp,and flax should be planted,and forced the most famous pruducers of cotton textiles to settle in Samarkand.(37) Timur carried on these policies not only in Transoxania and the Westren regions but also in the east.After returning to Samarkand from his campaign to the Golden Horde in 1397,he sent Amirzade Muhammad Sultan to Moghulistan and gave him the order to carry out constructions and agriculture.(38) Later,the sons and the descandants of Timur also encouraged agriculture.For example,Ulugh Beg bestowed grants on people who cultivated land.
(27)"Timurun yaptigi islere toplu bir bakis", Belleten, (1945). pp. 423-467.
(28) H.Bayur. Baburname, p.105.
(29) Nizameddin Sami. Zafername, Turkish Trans. Necati Lugal.(Ankara,1949),p.44.
(30) Ibid., p.117.
(31) Ibid., p.203.
(32) Ibid., pp.344-346.
(33) V.V.Barthold.Turkestan Down to the Mongol Invasion(London:1958).pp.121-123.
(34) A General History of the Tartars,p.442.
(35) Woodbringe,Hillary and Frank.History of Asia,
p.189. (36) C.R.Markhalm.A General Sketch of the History of Persia(London:1874),p.201.
(37) M.Prawdin.The Mongol Emprie:Its Rise and Legacy (London:1940),pp.475-476.
(38) Nizameddin Sami.Zafername,p.206.  THIS Monument was built by Shah RUH ; that is COMPLETELY SYMMETRIC ...    An Imarethane from the Timurid era .
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10/30/06 07:33 PM
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actually, if i had written with a sence of anger..i probably would have written in caps, or in huge letters, with all sorts of flashy colours and so on...
why would i be mad if it was (suppose) true that bosnians were turks?....it wouldn't change a thing in the world for me...i don't really care what bosnians are...if you get my drift...
but as long as we are on this topic, i simply corrected your ethnical misjudgement...
you see...huns are NOT turks...huns and turks descended from the same people yes,...but huns were a tribe of mongol warriors 1500 years before the notion of 'turk' ever existed...turks are related to huns, but are not their decendents...
second...if you want to use that mentality, every person on the planet is related to all the others, its a consept called: the human spiecies...so..just as every people (of course, very debatable) is in your words related to turks, they are also related in some way to every other people on earth...thus your point is invalid..
then...as you said...wether they were (huns, mongols or turks) these people from what is now bosnia were (in your own words) ASSIMILATED into the much larger slavic population...
so if we do the biological math here...we see that...a much smaller proportion of people of a smaller race being assimilated into a much larger one, losing any cultural traditions and so on..becomes part of the dominant culture and race..throughout millenia of reproduction...
thus if we follow all this,...we go back to the point i already made...BOSNIANS ARE SLAVS
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10/30/06 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 10/30/06 08:33 PM) [snapback]96795[/snapback]
why would i be mad if it was (suppose) true that bosnians were turks?....it wouldn't change a thing in the world for me...i don't really care what bosnians are...if you get my drift...
but as long as we are on this topic, i simply corrected your ethnical misjudgement...
you see...huns are NOT turks...huns and turks descended from the same people yes,...but huns were a tribe of mongol warriors 1500 years before the notion of 'turk' ever existed...turks are related to huns, but are not their decendents...
second...if you want to use that mentality, every person on the planet is related to all the others, its a consept called: the human spiecies...so..just as every people (of course, very debatable) is in your words related to turks, they are also related in some way to every other people on earth...thus your point is invalid..
then...as you said...wether they were (huns, mongols or turks) these people from what is now bosnia were (in your own words) ASSIMILATED into the much larger slavic population...
so if we do the biological math here...we see that...a much smaller proportion of people of a smaller race being assimilated into a much larger one, losing any cultural traditions and so on..becomes part of the dominant culture and race..throughout millenia of reproduction...
thus if we follow all this,...we go back to the point i already made...BOSNIANS ARE SLAVS
I 'm not proclaiming Bosniaks are Turks ; I know They are members of Ural-Altaic people , and probably the descends of Avar-Pechenegs . ( I can't do sth. whether the tombs , monuments in bosnia before common era did not make any sense on you ) ( I'll post those pix ) Right ,Bosniak population is basically left inside the major Slavic population of Early Christianity . And they were also opressed to be Christians and they did . But they were neither Orthodox nor Catholic . Mainly ; they were badly-treated both by Croats and Serbs because of sectarian struggles . Bosniaks were influenced by a radical monk St.Bogomil ; who has founded his own section and called his students ( crusaders of him ) to spread his thoughts . - No Tria Belief ( Holy Ghost - God - Son of GOD )thought existed in it . - The pray was not have to be done in church and no bells required to call the rest and so on . Seems sth. far from Christian rituals , eh ? They were squashed before Turks . After Turks got back from Balcans , they started to suffer in the hands of Catholic Austria . I 'd a Magyar gf and she told me " WE , Magyars and Turks , are nephews " . She was a Turkologist who is now in Nebraska , US .
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11/07/06 09:05 PM
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well..
croats oppressed serbs, serbs oppresses corats, bosnians oppressed serbs and croats....and bosnians were oppressed by serbs and croats....point is..they all attacked each other...
bosnians and albanians were converted to islam by the ottoman invaders, because they were considered good fighters, as opposed to the serbs or croats who where too hard to tame.
and please, reduce the size of your pics, its takes hours to load them
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TOMB OF TIMURLAINE ...
TARTARS vs POLISH warriors 
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TURKISTANI indigenous people TURKs fought against TYRANT CHINA ... HELP US TO DEFEAT CHINA ... War of 1933
Ottoman Soldiers against TRAITOR ARABs ...
Does that man killed your fathers ? 1892 , Jerusalem , Ottoman soldier ... This is absolutely a lucky one ; who even have a simple clothware to put on .
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