Turkish Cuisine (foooooooooooooooooooooooooood) Options

[Hosank]

I speak about history, in Turkiye , it is also told that cradle of civ. is Mesopotamia.
So , since Sumerians are Turkic ( immigrants of C.Asia ) Central Asia is caused the civilization to arise .

mordoth..
as we already agreed..sumerians are not immigrants from central asia, and they lived in syria, southern caucasus and western armenia..

the cradle of civilisation IS mesapotamia..i don't see what history you are tying to point out..

The soil was fertile in C.A too . Steppes were just suitable for cattle-growth .
Irrigation was impossible , that 's why Hunnic tribes are disbanded as the hordes .

and that is why it is not a cradle of civilization

We 'Re not 50.000 year old . IT is written that , Turks are 16000 year old

but mordi...no matter how old you claim you are..the bering streight was crossed at the first iceage 50 000 years ago..

and i don't care where you read it, but turks are not 16 000 years old..stop pretending

[Urartu]

1. Turks are white , their skulls can be classified as " Brikasefalis " . The motherland of Whites is Central Asia . ( That is exact , because Serbs , IRish are immigrants of Sakha - Yakutestan. Sakhas ( Scythians ) were also related to Hunnic people because they were also nomadic .

2. The cradle of civilization is Central Asia . ( Exactly , Hunnic Tribes established contact with the empire of proto-Turks ( Etrucans ) Roman Empire . )

3 . BEcause of Immigrations , Turks have been merged everywhere and differentiated numerous civilizations .

4. First sedentary tribes of Anatolia were Turkic . Turks are located for 7000 years in Anatolia .
- Because Turkic settlements have been found after the hellenic domination , Avars - Sabars - Bulgars have surrounded Constantinople , and the inhabitants are definately " assimilated " .

5 . Kurds are Mountain Turks , their motherland was also Central Asia , they 've run from Mountains in order to take the advantage . ( I disagree with that )

6. Founder of Sumerians , and first civilizations of EGYPT were Central Asians .

7 . Mayans ,Incas , Aztecs , Indians were the settlers of Hunnic tribes , their phenotypes are still looking like Central Asians , and their ancestral religion is the same as GokTengriism .

8 . The drowned continent , MU , included Schythian tribes and the spoken language was TURKISH Language .

9. Troy was Turk .

10 . The richest language on the universe is TURKISH . You can create more than 3 million words by combining suffices and words .

Sweet jesus............ You can't be serious..... Can you?? OMG! Your serious hu?!?!?!?! I..... I...... I don't even have a respone. My mind is still trying to process how someone could ACTUALY think this is a reality..... Im not even going to argue with you. Your view of history is way to farfetched for me to even comprehend. You might as well be arguing that the sky is green because honestly, their is no logic in what you are saying..... Hosank, how do you put up with this kind of stuff? Whats your reaction??? Do you laugh, get angry at peoples sheer stupidity, or do you just stare at what you are reading in a state of shock?

[Hosank]

պարտականութիւնըս է, հայրենիքի համար, քիդեմ վոր տըխուր է բայց:::::

how do i react? well....i learned a long time ago not to get angry at a modern turk such as he...it's like being angry at a sheep for braking a fence. it's not his fault..he won't understand, it's a waist of energy.

usually i laugh at the lunacy portrayed in his posts, but sometimes, i must admit, i stare in dismay and disbelief.

but, he is a guinney pig in my experiment. a test subject..
i monitor him...his internal conflict...

how his view and ideas have changed for the past year. i find it quite fascinating that less then a year ago, he was a big supporter of humain rights (usually only for turks, but still), a great denouncer of 'genocide' in chechnia, greece, macedonia, bosnia, kosovo, albania, azerbaijan, turkey and cyprus...
as well as the right of islam
basically wherever his 'people' was involved.
he was never able to openly admit to genocide by his own people though...he would spend so much time finding articles trying to disprove it...not noticing how stupid his articles were..since he rarely read them.

countless times i have debated him till he had nothing to say, and further argument would have been absolute idiocy. he then began to slowly go crazy

he began to openly support the grey wolves, to claim that turkey was a superior warrior race come from kazakstan, and that his ancestors were stupid not to have properly murdered us las time around.
as im sure you have read, he now claims that he is part of a 16 000 year old civilisation with an ancient language, religion, and alphabet...

he even says that he has rejected islam as it is not the real religion of the turk..i think he is practicing some kind of a pagean rite

so ya...i have played with the idea of asking him, and his buddy prott.. to go to some sort of a rehabilitaion centre, or an asylum, but it occured to me that an asylum in turkey would be the greatest oxymoron.

but still i argue with him for the sake of other non-turks who visit this forum, and if they see what a crazy turk writes without me proving how utterly dumb they are, ....

anyways...
cheerio

[Tangriberdi]

Dolma is not Turkish... Dolma is a dish local to Anatolia - even before Barab - I mean TURKS came to Anatolia... It has been a dish of the Kurds, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Persians and even Arabs LONG before the Turks even set foot in Anatolia...
And Beqlawa is Arabic sweet...

Diri, I think that is not entirely true... May be Pre-Turkish Antolian peoples used to know dolma, but dolma is a Turkish food brought from Turkestan to Anatolia. Even its name is Turkish. Dolma, the word is a derivation of the verb dolmak: to fill , to get filled. And Dolma particularly means the thing made by filling in. The word has cognate in the first Turkish Dictionary, Divani Lugatit Turk. The dolma can be traced as Tolmaq in this dictionary.

So dolma or with the name Iranic people took from Turks, dolme is a Turkish dish. Denying this fact will never make you win. It will just make you incredible. We Turks do ejnjow and know our own culture.
Interaction with other peoples is indeniable. But you should admit denying Turkishness of some cultural elements is easily refutable.
Do not carry political things to cultural issues. Because if so, I am ready to do my best to refute your claims.

[Tangriberdi]

Yes, Armenian brother... You are right - Dolma, Baqlawa and La7majoon... They are NOT Turkish - but it hurts these Turks SO much to hear that... So I will say it again:
Ottomans took from every nation they controlled... They took from Arabia, Armenia, Kurdistan, Persia and Greece...
Enjoy the Kurdish, Armenian, Greek, Arab and Persian food, guys... It's an honor that you love our dishes so much!

No Diri , "Your" Armenian "BROTHER" is not right. Dolma is a Turkish food.
Baklava and Lahmacun are generic to the whole Middle East.
I think you should not use culture as a means of counter-argument to your political claims.
You know Dolma is Turkish. Denying this politically will not make you win the race.

[Urartu]

We’ve been over this name thing way too much. Look, the name is Turkish because (in case you haven’t noticed) Turks give EVERYTHING a Turkish name. Just look at every single city in Turkey.

Baklava is Assyrian and Lamacun is Armenian. No one knows what ethnic group made Dolma. They just know the region it was made in. It is thought to have originated in Eastern Anatolia. Which (at the time) was inhabited by Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, and Greeks. So it could be any one of those.

We don’t deny any Turkish cultural elements. Mainly because there are no elements to deny, understand?

[Tangriberdi]

We’ve been over this name thing way too much. Look, the name is Turkish because (in case you haven’t noticed) Turks give EVERYTHING a Turkish name. Just look at every single city in Turkey.

Baklava is Assyrian and Lamacun is Armenian. No one knows what ethnic group made Dolma. They just know the region it was made in. It is thought to have originated in Eastern Anatolia. Which (at the time) was inhabited by Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, and Greeks. So it could be any one of those.

We don’t deny any Turkish cultural elements. Mainly because there are no elements to deny, understand?

I regret to inform you that you are wrong and mistaken. We do not give a Turkish name to everything. If we did , there would not be city names like Van (Van), Bitlis( Beytliz), Hakkari( Heqaarî), Siirt( Si'irt), Rize(Riza), Trabzon(Trebizond) Antakya( Antiochia) Manisa (Magnesia) Tekirdag( Tekavor dag), Edirne(Adriania) Kastamonu(Castramonte) Safranbolu(Xephirapolis) etc.... Today, Turkey is full of these Armenian Greek Arabic and even Latin place names which have not been Turkicized for thousands of years. They are just formed into new forms through the centuries because Turks could not utter the original versions.

I have no conflict about the origins of Baklava and Lahmacun. I told they are generic to Middle East. Sorry for that I do not know whom particularly they belong to.
Last time I repeat, If a name of a food or of a dish is Turkish, that usually means that food or dish has been brought from Central Asia. Because it is highly possible to see that Turks did not change the names of food they had found in Anatolia or they had adopted in Anatolia. And they kept the orginal name.

You can see this in may manes of many fishes, many vegetables, many herbs.
Menemen(Manimen), Kapuska(Kabuska), Lahmacun, Baklava, Pilav, Çorba, Lokum, are just some of examples.
I repeat, if a food has a Turkic name in Anatolia, that means it is histori,cally a Turkic food.
If you claim there is no Turkic cultural element, that is your ignorance and your ignoring. But Ignoring cannot change the fact that something exists.
That is not the way to compromise. Usual Armenian aggression towards anything Turkic.

[Hosank]

ապրես ուրիշ ապուշ Թուրք մը
actually, armenians have been making dolma and sarma since the dawn of time. obviously the names are are turkish, but there are also original armenian names for it...
anyways, i doubt that the vines, and vegetables used in the preparation of these meals are native to the arrid turkic steppes of central asia.

the word lahmajun is arabic, which means meat sandwitch, but that is only because when the armenians were deported after the genocide, they gave it an arabic name in order to sell it to arabs in lebanon and syria. lahmajun however is a traditional armenian food, still baked in modern armenia (never part of the ottoman empire).

We do not give a Turkish name to everything.

i must say that after saying that, and giving the turkic variations of ancient anatolian cities is quite a contrast. also, i have once attended a conference by Taner Akjam, and he said that during ww1, the ottoman government proceded in an extensive campaign of turkification (as we already all know of course) but not only of culture, but also of city and region names. so much that when the turkish army manovered in order to attack the russians, they got lost because of the new names, which resulted in their ultimate defeat.

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Hey this is a topic about the food, maybe just for once you can try to enjoy it rather than arguing about it...

And Hosank what is with the names and insults. I thought you were better than that....

[Hosank]

1. no you didn't
2. where do you see insults?

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1. no you didn't
2. where do you see insults?

I seriously thoguht you were better than that, know I know better.

Calling someone a "guinney pig" sounds like an insult to me.

[chase]

TURKEY: GOVERNOR SACKED AS RISOTTO SCANDAL SPLITS NATION

(ANSAmed) - ANKARA, AUGUST 22 - The governor, or vali, of the Turkish province of Mugla has been dismissed and summoned in Ankara for having served Turkish Interior Minister Osman Gunes risotto prepared with sinful (haram) wine. "Because of you I committed a sin. You made me swallow alcohol," the minister yelled at the Mugla governor Temel Kocaklar, immediately after he realised that the risotto he had just eaten with great pleasure contained a glass of the diabolical alcoholic drink, absolutely forbidden by Islam.

The minister so liked the risotto, which was served at dinner after a working meeting, that he wanted to hear the recipe directly from the chef who had prepared it. But the governor found himself in hot water when the minister, upon realising there was wine in that risotto, turned red with anger and began shouting in public. Upon returning to Ankara, the minister dismissed at once the vali and summoned him to the Interior Ministry in Ankara: a good punishment, revealed to the media by the valìs wife, Sabahat Kocaklar, who disclosed details of the incident in an interview with 'Vatan' newspaper.

Prominent theologians also expressed their opinion on the "risotto" debate by disproving the hot-tempered and over-devout minister. "Alcohol consumed in pasta is not a sin because the alcohol evaporates while it is being cooked," said famous theologian Yasar Nuri Ozturk, while his colleagues Suleyman Ates, equally renowned, affirmed: "If a person consumes unknowingly a meal cooked in alcohol it is not a sin. It is enough to ask forgiveness from God." 'Hurriyet' newspaper accompanied the news with a poll which shows that after the "risotto scandal" created by Minister Gunes, the interest towards risotto has increased much both in restaurants and in supermarkets. The poll does not show, however, whether the interest for white wine has increased. (ANSAmed).
2007-08-22 16:37
http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME01.YAM16365.html


Anyone know the recipe to this infamous Italian Risotto?

[davit]

seriously why cant we all just get along ad talk about fun stuff

[davit]

JUST KIDING hahaha





yea and you stupid turks tolma is armenian mybe it comes from somewhere else too but not turkish for sure because mongolian culture is way different than the countries we are surounded by

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JUST KIDING hahaha





yea and you stupid turks tolma is armenian mybe it comes from somewhere else too but not turkish for sure because mongolian culture is way different than the countries we are surounded by

I bet 1000 dollars that I can cook dolam far better than you do

[Hosank]

guinney pig"

lol, sorry to disapoint you there arrow, but in english, when you say 'guinney pig' it's an expression meaning test-subject (guinney pigs are little furry animals that resemble hamsters that are often used in scientific experients, somewhat like labrats).so when you say someone is a guinne pig, it means he is a test subject of sorts...
no insults there, and i rest my case.

and davit, though i am positive that dolma is an armenian dish (i don't know where they would find vines or vegedtables in abondance in the great steppes of asia) but i would not be surprised if the word 'dolma' is of turkish origin...

meanwhile, my grandma taught me to make dolma, so i am pretty sure mine is the best

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meanwhile, my grandma taught me to make dolma, so i am pretty sure mine is the best

Well I am older than you and have more experiance with it so I am sure I am a better cook and you know what I can piss farther then you do

[Hosank]

first of all, you do not know my age, second i doubt that age is the only factor defining skills at making dolma...

and if you can piss farther than me, i must congratulate you, you officially win the hosank urinary distance prize

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first of all, you do not know my age, second i doubt that age is the only factor defining skills at making dolma...

and if you can piss farther than me, i must congratulate you, you officially win the hosank urinary distance prize

You are at collage, I'd say early 20's.. Also you have loooots of free time so that would mean you are either working part time or unemployed - student...

I am a good cook, come visit me sometime in next spring, until then I am not gonna be home, busy like a bee.

And instead of making a mess of it why don't you contribute to the topic?

[Hosank]

firstoff, i have greatly contributed to this topic, but these days it seems to have changed to, "i can piss farther than you" so..eh?

i won't go to vancouver, you come to montreal if you want..

and though you are right, i am in university, trust me, it does not take 12 hours to check this site every once in a while.

second, there are also 40 year olds who go to university, and lastly, there are also old retired people who have no life, and thus sign up for a degree in what ever..

[arrow]

firstoff, i have greatly contributed to this topic, but these days it seems to have changed to, "i can piss farther than you" so..eh?

i won't go to vancouver, you come to montreal if you want..

and though you are right, i am in university, trust me, it does not take 12 hours to check this site every once in a while.

second, there are also 40 year olds who go to university, and lastly, there are also old retired people who have no life, and thus sign up for a degree in what ever..

OK I read all of your posts in this topic, they are hardly about food.. Please stay on topic and thnx.

[Hosank]

did not read hard enough i am afraid

[Tangriberdi]

ապրես ուրիշ ապուշ Թուրք մը
actually, armenians have been making dolma and sarma since the dawn of time. obviously the names are are turkish, but there are also original armenian names for it...
anyways, i doubt that the vines, and vegetables used in the preparation of these meals are native to the arrid turkic steppes of central asia.

the word lahmajun is arabic, which means meat sandwitch, but that is only because when the armenians were deported after the genocide, they gave it an arabic name in order to sell it to arabs in lebanon and syria. lahmajun however is a traditional armenian food, still baked in modern armenia (never part of the ottoman empire).
i must say that after saying that, and giving the turkic variations of ancient anatolian cities is quite a contrast. also, i have once attended a conference by Taner Akjam, and he said that during ww1, the ottoman government proceded in an extensive campaign of turkification (as we already all know of course) but not only of culture, but also of city and region names. so much that when the turkish army manovered in order to attack the russians, they got lost because of the new names, which resulted in their ultimate defeat.

How are you so sure about that you made sarma and dolma since the dawn of time? Have you ever heard of Uyghurs? Uyghurs are a Turkic people and sendentary almost for 1000 years. The Tarim Basin in East Turkistan(Xinjiang) where they inhabit are suitable for viniculture. And it is very well known that not only Oghuz Turks but also Uygurs(although less in numbers) arrived at Anatolia in early stages of Turkic immigration to Anatolia. It is also very well known that due to settlement policies of Seljukids and housing policies of Ottomans Anatolian Turks were the second to settle . These Turks became one of the best farmers in the world after they left nomadism and start intermingling with Islamicized Locals. So, either linguistically or socioculturally dolma and sarma can be traced in Turkic culture.

And it is a fact that whereever Turks arrived, people there know how to make sarma and dolma. I think Turks taught them. I dount Armenians made sarma and tolma since the dawn of time.
Sarma and dolma are Turkic food. Their name is proof to their origin.
If Sarma and Dolma are not Turkic, why do Iranians, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs Greeks(?) Albanians use Turkic words instead of their own ones?
It is linguistically very hard if not impossible to borrow a word for a dish name for a dish you have been making since the dawn of time.
Dolma is Tolmaq in Old Turkish
Sarma is Sarmaq in Old Turkish.

Could you please give me original names of Sarma and Dolma in your own language if you make it since the dawn of time?
If Lahmajun is an Arabic name , please tell the Armenian name for aforementioned food, I think Armenians did not cook it without giving a name for ages until their relocation to Arab lands.

City names are not Turkic variations. They are non Turkic names which are a little bit Turkicized( made proper to be said by Turks). Yes There was such efforts to rename local non Turkic names at the end of Ottomans. But it failed. However I never heard about the reason you told. As far as I know this efort ended fruitlessly because local people were unwilling to use new names, and this unwillingness prevailed so long due to the fact that local people were illiterate and dişd not apply to or keep in touch with governmental organizations so often.

[Hosank]

lol turk, no offence to you, but wrapping meat, or rice in a vine, or a vegetable is not really the biggest discovery of the millenium, now if you take pride in being the only people in the world who actually thought of the idea of wrapping things (mexican torrtillas? lebanese shawarma?..on and on) then we can pretty much visualise the peak of your civilization.
btw, armenian tolma and sarma is not prepared the same way as it is done by turks.
i know egyptians, and they also make sarma, but they know it under a different name. as for the armenian name for it, gaghamp, but often we just use the turkish word too.

actually turk
what the ottoman empire did, was spread the foods of each region of the land to others, that is why bulgarian food is eaten in armenia, or even syria, armenian food is eaten in the balklans, and turkish cpffee is the same as armenian, and greek coffee just because the turks spread it around does not mean they made it.

the original name for lahmajun was missothatc, (i have also heard it as missyhats), before the armenian people were GENOCIDED by your government, and the survivors relocated to arabic countries.

I never heard about the reason you told. As far as I know this efort ended fruitlessly because local people were unwilling to use new names, and this unwillingness

well now you know, and that, and also that they lost the war.

[Tangriberdi]

lol turk, no offence to you, but wrapping meat, or rice in a vine, or a vegetable is not really the biggest discovery of the millenium, now if you take pride in being the only people in the world who actually thought of the idea of wrapping things (mexican torrtillas? lebanese shawarma?..on and on) then we can pretty much visualise the peak of your civilization.
btw, armenian tolma and sarma is not prepared the same way as it is done by turks.
i know egyptians, and they also make sarma, but they know it under a different name. as for the armenian name for it, gaghamp, but often we just use the turkish word too.

actually turk
what the ottoman empire did, was spread the foods of each region of the land to others, that is why bulgarian food is eaten in armenia, or even syria, armenian food is eaten in the balklans, and turkish cpffee is the same as armenian, and greek coffee just because the turks spread it around does not mean they made it.

the original name for lahmajun was missothatc, (i have also heard it as missyhats), before the armenian people were GENOCIDED by your government, and the survivors relocated to arabic countries.
well now you know, and that, and also that they lost the war.

Agreeable to some extent. No matters for me to whom the aforementioned food belongs. It belongs all of us not a to a particular one. Anyway. Our government never GENOCIDED anyone. Stop Lying.
Everything happened to Armenians is just Armenians' fault. NO GENOCIDE but RELOCATION AND MASS DEATHS OF BOTH SIDES. If you speak of this stupid Genoside claims. I will bring forth the Anatolian And Azerbaijani Turkish massacres committed by Armenians , referring to them as Genocide.

You live with history, so you will become history.

[Tangriberdi]

Yes, absolutely. Antep is an ancient Kurdish city
Let me say again if you do not understand exactly..
ANTEP IS AN ANCIENT KURDISH CITY
Like Erzurum,Erzincan,Elazig, Urfa
What are you gonna do if I say that in Antep? Are you gonna kill me?
You know what, I said that many times in Antep... Nobody said something... Maybe you did not hear me, no problem if you want to hear go downtown and look ppl's face...
I agree with you Doner is Turkish food but originally comes from Cağ Kebap (did you said Çağ? keep reading you will learn something. it is not Çağ, it is Cağ. Çağ means epoch, age, period... OK?)
I know you do not want to believe me, doesn't matter we are accustomed to that kind of behaviors because of Turkey's politics, everybody, entire world knows what are truths, except Turkish racist like you. Do not worry we are teaching the truths to all over the world and your turn is apporaching.
Additionally, I dont understand pictures whic are you posted. Do they have a mean? Is that a march? What is that? Where is it? Is that a place in Patagonia? The buildings, ppl.. Do you think those pictures will demonstrate these cities are Turkish cities?

This picture had been taken in Istanbul. What do you think?

You are a liar
There was no Kurd Beyond Tigris towards West before 16 th century.
Antep was never Kurd.
Miserable creature. Keeping telling such lies will be the end of you.
Erzurum was an Armenian City Erzincan and Elazig were so, The Kurds are recent immigrants in Anatolia.
There was no Kurd beyond Tigris until 1600s.
I hate you. You make me so.

[Hosank]

lol, just relocation?
do governments just relocate 2 million people at a time? just for fun? do people just relocate others who have lived on their ancestral lands for millenia?

lol, listen to your logic.
a people with 50 million (at the time), with money the army and everything else, and another with 3 million, not allowed to carry weapons, with no rights, and so on, do you really think it was a war between 2 sides? two equal sides? with casualties on both sides? loool..get real.

just go look through the archives of this forum, to whitness the undeniable truth..
infact, let me show you a few videos, and not the crappy denialist videos which we always find, but real documents, done by non-armenians, and non turks, therefor unbias.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ-HcshI3cA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sTm9mSKCLYs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcl1S8Ozs08&...ted&search=
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb7EK1XdGno&...ted&search=
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYiNbRZBDk&...ted&search=
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7Is7XIiEygk&...ted&search=

now, if you really care to know the truth, i tell you to go through the pages of this forum, read the arguments that countless other turks such as yourself have written, and how they have many times been discredited for the sheer luncacy of their logic. look at all the documents, all the pictures all the proofs. do not be blind to your own history, accept what your people have done in order to never repeat such a horror again.
i ask you to do this while looking at it with an unbias point of you, forget that you are turk, or an armenian or what ever.
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http...ficial%26sa%3DN

[KHAZARI]

BAKLAVA THIS TURKISH YOU CAN SEE IN WIKIPEDIA

[Hosank]

you are aware that litterally anyone with a computer and can type could write on wikipedia right?

[KHAZARI]

MORE KARAY PIC FOOD



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TABAKA



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SHISHLIK



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LASISA



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YAZMA



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VAGATABELS BAKED WITH OLIVE OIL


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KHAMUR DOLMA


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FISH SALAT



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SHORPA

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I'll have to give up on my diet just becouse of you Khazari

Perfect pictures brother.

[KHAZARI]

THANKS BRO IM GLAD WHO YOU LIKE THE PIC

[KHAZARI]

UYGHUR STYLE LAMB KEBAB

Ingredients:

• 2 lbs of lamb (make sure to reserve some of the fat)
• bamboo skewers (soaked in water)
• 1/8 cup cumin powder (to sprinkle on meat)
• 1/8 cup red chili powder (to sprinkle on meat)
• pinch or two of salt

Directions:



Light the grill and let the coals burn down to red while you’re prepping the meat.
Cut the meat into little chunks, for dinner sized kebabs, make the meat chunks 1” cubes; for a fun snack during a party, cut them to 1” by ½” oblong rectangles.
Assemble the skewers. Spear two chunks of meat and then one of fat, and then two more chunks of meat. The fat is not meant to be eaten; it is there to keep the meat moist.
To marinate, sprinkle a coating of chili powder, cumin powder and salt on the kebabs to marinate while the grill is heating.
When the coals are ready, lay the lamb skewers on the grill. Keep a glass of water next to the grill to quench any grease fires when the melting fat flares up.
Sprinkle more spices on. If you’re using lean meat, brush the meat with a little oil before sprinkling spices.
Check for desired doneness, then remove from grill and eat. Serve with a side of nan bread (toasted sesame bagels are a good US substitute!)





By khazari at 2007-11-13

MAKING KEBAB EASTREN TURKESTAN (UNDER CHINESE OCCUPATION)

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UYGHUR STYLE LAMB KEBAB

Ingredients:

• 2 lbs of lamb (make sure to reserve some of the fat)
• bamboo skewers (soaked in water)
• 1/8 cup cumin powder (to sprinkle on meat)
• 1/8 cup red chili powder (to sprinkle on meat)
• pinch or two of salt

Directions:
Light the grill and let the coals burn down to red while you’re prepping the meat.
Cut the meat into little chunks, for dinner sized kebabs, make the meat chunks 1” cubes; for a fun snack during a party, cut them to 1” by ½” oblong rectangles.
Assemble the skewers. Spear two chunks of meat and then one of fat, and then two more chunks of meat. The fat is not meant to be eaten; it is there to keep the meat moist.
To marinate, sprinkle a coating of chili powder, cumin powder and salt on the kebabs to marinate while the grill is heating.
When the coals are ready, lay the lamb skewers on the grill. Keep a glass of water next to the grill to quench any grease fires when the melting fat flares up.
Sprinkle more spices on. If you’re using lean meat, brush the meat with a little oil before sprinkling spices.
Check for desired doneness, then remove from grill and eat. Serve with a side of nan bread (toasted sesame bagels are a good US substitute!)


By khazari at 2007-11-13

MAKING KEBAB EASTREN TURKESTAN (UNDER CHINESE OCCUPATION)

I had this in China, it was wonderful.

[KHAZARI]

YES MY BROTHER I MEAN TO ADDED SOON RECIPE FOR KIBINLAR- THE NATIONAL KARAI DISH PASTRY

WITH FILLING OF MUTTON AND UNION VERY POPULAR KARAI DISH WHO THE LITHUANIAN ADAPTED FROM US . THE LITHUANIAN VERY LOVE KARAY FOOD AND IN TRAKAI(CITY IN LITHUANIAׂ)VISITED BY ABOUT 350,000 PEOPLE ANNUALLY WHO COME TO VISITED IN KARAY ETHNOGRAPHIC MUSEUM ,SEE THE KARAY KENASA(SYNAGOGUE) AND OF COURSE ENJOY FROM THE KARAY FOOD.

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YES MY BROTHER I MEAN TO ADDED SOON RECIPE FOR KIBINLAR- THE NATIONAL KARAI DISH PASTRY

WITH FILLING OF MUTTON AND UNION VERY POPULAR KARAI DISH WHO THE LITHUANIAN ADAPTED FROM US . THE LITHUANIAN VERY LOVE KARAY FOOD AND IN TRAKAI(CITY IN LITHUANIAׂ)VISITED BY ABOUT 350,000 PEOPLE ANNUALLY WHO COME TO VISITED IN KARAY ETHNOGRAPHIC MUSEUM ,SEE THE KARAY KENASA(SYNAGOGUE) AND OF COURSE ENJOY FROM THE KARAY FOOD.

I really want to eat Kıbın, it is also cooked in Romenia by our brothers there, I never tasted it.

[KHAZARI]

Kibinai.

Kybyn (Karaits national food)
For 20 pies

Dough:
560 g flour
125 g single cream
250 g margarine
2-3 medium eggs
salt ( don't forget about salt).

Filling:
500 g ground lamb
2 medium onions finely chopped
salt
black pepper

Brush with: 1 egg yolk beaten

After filling, bake on baking parchment at 425F/225C about 15-18 min, depends on their size.


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Trakai ? the only insular castle throughout Eastern Europe. Trakai is a town built on water surrounded by three lakes up to 48 m deep. This is the birthplace of the most famous ruler of Lithuania ? Vytautas Didysis, who built the ancient peninsular castle and the island castle, a quite extraordinary Gothic brick building which was the principal residence of Grand Dukes.

The summer course participants visit the castle, taste special Karaite (Ancient Oriental minority which lives in Lithuania since the 14th century) food "kibinai".

THIS FROM LITHUANIAN FOOD FORUM , THE KARAITES ARE VERY LOVED MINORITY IN LITHUANIA.THERE ARE 2 MINISTER IN LITHUANIAN GOVERMENT AND 4 PARLIAMENT REPRESENTATIVE FROM KARAY ORIGIN.

MY MOTHER PUT IN THE FILLING A LITTLE CHOPPED CABBAGE THIS ADD TASTE. THIS GOOD WITH CAY AND VEGATABLE SPICY SALAD.AFIYET OLSUN.

[Hosank]

maybe i should try that recipe