Sumgait Massacre Videos.., xojaly? hahaha... Options

[Hosank]

these are real stories, about real victims, with names and so on, as well as russian soldiers who tried to stop the violence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqLr6lW7FTs


armenian struggle..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTKrHHoLP8w...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czzO4IUtbq0...ted&search=

[Urartu]

Hosank you won’t get any Turks posting here. Turks like to, well, shunn the truth…..

This is the REAL one sided story “the xojaly genocide”. Civilian population were killed from both sides, but I don’t think 613 dead Azeri civillians shows the intent of a systematic erradication of the Azerbaijani race by the Armenain government. Just like 27 killed Armenian civilians in sumqayit isn’t an intended genocide of the Armenian people by the Azeri government.

If any Turks comes across this forum (which they will) and doesn’t post anything (which they won’t) I suggest you take what im saying into consideration. And don’t say Armenian civilians didn’t die as well. Stick to denying the Armenian genocide for now. We all know Turks can’t multitask…….

[davit]

Hosank you won't get any Turks posting here. Turks like to, well, shunn the truth…..



If any Turks comes across this forum (which they will) and doesn't post anything (which they won't) I suggest you take what im saying into consideration. And don't say Armenian civilians didn't die as well. Stick to denying the Armenian genocide for now. We all know Turks can't multitask…….

i didnt get what you sayin

[fedayi]

Hosank you won’t get any Turks posting here. Turks like to, well, shunn the truth…..

This is the REAL one sided story “the xojaly genocide”. Civilian population were killed from both sides, but I don’t think 613 dead Azeri civillians shows the intent of a systematic erradication of the Azerbaijani race by the Armenain government. Just like 27 killed Armenian civilians in sumqayit isn’t an intended genocide of the Armenian people by the Azeri government.

If any Turks comes across this forum (which they will) and doesn’t post anything (which they won’t) I suggest you take what im saying into consideration. And don’t say Armenian civilians didn’t die as well. Stick to denying the Armenian genocide for now. We all know Turks can’t multitask…….

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[Urartu]

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[Hosank]

yes, i find it funny...

all the turks around here claim we never base our arguments with facts, but when i do, they simply don't post on them, or even bother to disclaim them, then they wait a month, thinking we all forgot that i posted the facts, and once again say "but you never put documents and facts"

xojaly was, if we take the official story, an unintended, spontaneous act of revenge, since most of the soldiers involved were escapees from baku. they snapped, when provoked by azeri soldiers hidden between civilians...but it was definitely not planned by the government of the ROA, and the number of casualties is grossly inflated.

sumgait on the other hand, though we don't call it genocide..did have genocidal intentions. the government of baku issued a list of all the armenians living in baku, as well as their home adresses. obviously, it was very small scale...

but, artsakh itself would have been another genocide if it was not for the fedayees..
and lets not forget mardakert where the azeris entered with tanks, and decapitated all the inhabitants...now that is a massacre, not like xojalu. this was intended..

[Glock21]

I would love to see some evidence of any list of Armenians given out by the "government."

You mention Khojaly being carried out as a spontaneous eruption by disgruntled folk after having been kicked out of Baku. Well, who were the perpetrators of Baku and Sumgait pogroms? Where were they from and why were they so disgruntled? No side gets the one-up-manship for a massacre - they should all be condemned equally for what they are, which is a crime.

[Hosank]

baku happened in 88, xojalu was in 93. so im not saying that armenians walked out of baku, to commit a revenge massacre of their own right after..

ill try to find the evidence for you, about the government lists.

the baku perpetrators were azeri from baku, and those of sumgait were from sumgait.
why were they disgrunted? you lived in azerbaijan, and im sure you know their turkish mentality enough to know that their government can claim anything, they can get worked up about it..

No side gets the one-up-manship for a massacre - they should all be condemned equally for what they are, which is a crime.

i agree with that..

but do you punish the pickpocket the same way as you punish for a premeditated murder?

[Glock21]

Wrong.

The perpetrators were kicked out of their homes in Nagorno-Karabakh and were fueled by the Soviet broadcasts of two Azeri children killed by an Armenian mob in Karabakh. Whether or not the radio and TV reports were wholly accurate is another matter, but the USSR was prepping the instability.

I know from very, very good and close sources who these people were, "chuzhki" as they were called in Baku, none of them spoke Russian and went door to door around apartments in Armenikend and central Baku looking for Armenians. These were the Azeri rednecks, and were and are very much looked down on in Baku - why do you think so many Azeris were killed as well during the pogroms? About 20 were killed in Sumgait protecting their Armenian friends and neighbors.

[Hosank]

i doubt that those who perpetrated the baku massacres were from artsakh, for that would be an anachronism. the azeris did not begin to leave artsakh en masse till 91. (before the baku massacre,88 the conflict had not been violent)

though i am sure that many azeris tried to help their armenian neighbours, just like some turks tried to protect armenians from the ottoman army...i do not think that every azeri is born evil.

but it's easier to go door to door when you have a list of all names ending with "ian" supplied by the authorities no?

[Glock21]

Like it or not, that's who these people were... and you're mentioning this list again. That would have had to have been put together awfully fast, wouldn't it?

There is plenty of guilt by the authorities to go around without such a list being required. The Soviet authorities did nothing to stop the violence until it was practically over. And some local Azeris in power helped the Karabakh mob in locating Armenians to kill. Again, the USSR was not interested in stepping in until the powder keg was out of control, so they could step in and brutally supress it in conjunction with the anti-communist rallies.

[Hosank]

Like it or not, that's who these people were

i do not believe that it is a matter of liking it or not, but one of factual correctness. i told you that i found it unlikely that the people who rioted through the streets of baku were right off the train from artsakh.

here is why:1) obviously the dates are switched backwards..
2) if they just came from artsakh, how would they be able to find the homes and businesses of armenians in baku, or sumgait (cities they are obviously not even accustomed to, let alone at ease in) and distinguish the armenians from azeris in the streets???
3) im not sure how a mob of peasants could rampage throught a city running after armenians..
4) all this in consideration, i think a government list then would suddenly make more sense...
anyways...
thats why i think that it would be more likely that those who committed the massacres were local azeris.

a list with the adresses of all people listed with the last name "ian" in a small city filled with "ov"s is not hard to compile and would most likely not take days...

anyways, im not saying that te azeri government was the mastermind behind the massacres, but rather did help them go through, if not supported them