Air Space Between Istanbul And Yerevan Open, turkish daily news Options

[KHAZARI]

, Air space between Istanbul and Yerevan , open three hours flights take
Saturday, February 2, 2008


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Though the Turkey-Armenia border is closed, flights from Istanbul to Yerevan and vice versa are available each week. Charter flights are operated with planes from the Armenian state-led airline company Armavia Airlines and private Turkish airline Atlas Jet

Vercihan Ziflioğlu
Despite the land border between Turkey and Armenia being closed, regular weekly flights take place between Istanbul and Yerevan, Armenia's capital.

Flights between the two cities started immediately after the Republic of Armenia won its independence in 1995. After the closure of Armenia's former state airlines Armenian Airlines in 2000, Armavia Airlines, again led by state, started to function in the same year. In 2003, Armenian origins Turkish national Dikran Altun, owner of Tower Aviation and Travel Company, officially applied to the Turkish Directorate General of Civil Aviation in order to operate scheduled flights between Istanbul and Yerevan and obtained the necessary permission. Initial flights that were organized by Altun's company took place thanks to planes chartered from private Turkish airline Fly Air. Altun said Armenian people welcomed the very first flight to Yerevan with excitement. “We landed in Armenia in a plane that carried the Turkish flag. The plane was full of Turkish journalists and businessmen,” said Altun, noting representatives from Directorate General of Civil Aviation of Armenia welcomed them at the airport. There are three weekly flights between Istanbul and Yerevan. Altun said all flights to Yerevan are full. As to the passenger profile, Altun said that Turkish businessmen made up the majority of travelers. Also flights between the resort town of Antalya and Yerevan take place between June and September every year. A total of 3,500 Armenian businessmen traveled to Antalya on holiday last year, Altun said, adding they plan to increase the number of flights next season.



Armenia and Turkey, two sides of the bridge

Altun said his first visit to Armenia was after he received an invitation from Telman Der Bedrosyan, brother of Armenia's first president, Levon Der Bedrosyan. In his first visit to Armenia, Der Bedrosyan took Altun to the Markara Village of Yerevan. “In the past, the Turkey-Armenia border was in Markara. There used to be a bridge over the Aras River at that time. Once, while walking on that bridge, I stopped at the mid point and looked at both sides. One side of the bridge was Armenia and the other side was Turkey,” Altun said. “I cried unreasonably but unconditionally that day, I do not know why,” he said, describing his love for both countries with the following words: “I feel like a man who is in love with two women. I just cannot give up either of them.” The idea of starting flights between Istanbul and Yerevan came to Altun's mind after that first visit to Armenia.



Turkish businessmen in Yerevan

After flights with planes chartered from Fly Air were met with great interest, they undertook the task of flying Armavia Airlines' passengers to Istanbul, Altun said. Finally, they started operating charter flights with planes from Atlas Jet. Altun, noting that about 20,000 Armenians from Armenia live within Turkey's borders and have commercial activities there, said that many Turkish businessmen also make significant investments in Yerevan. “There are no diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia and there is the reality of an embargo imposed on Armenia. Lower level Turkish bureaucracy supports the embargo while upper level Turkish bureaucracy wants the embargo to remain at minimum levels, said Altun, adding that flights between Istanbul and Yerevan started thanks to the warm attitude displayed by upper level Turkish bureaucracy. Altun said President Der Berdosyan used to have a warm attitude toward Turkey during the 1990s and if Turkey had responded to that, many problems between the two countries would have already been overcome.



Peace and friendship concert in Yerevan

Altun, believing that cultural relations are highly important, said he, with his own financial resources, invited a 100-member A Capella choir and a dance ensemble from Armenia to Turkey during the days when the French parliament was discussing the “genocide” bill. Altun said, though some problems occurred, he managed to obtain the necessary permission from the Turkish Foreign Ministry for the concert that was held in Istanbul. He said the message of peace that was sent to the world with that concert was highly important. Altun, arguing Western countries politically manipulate the Armenian question, said problems between the two peoples can only be overcome through dialogue. Altun will organize a second peace concert by Turkish artists in Armenia soon.



what do you think about that,maybe this start of normalization between two the countries?"

[veritas]

hopefully

maybe this is the first step towards an open border.

[Mordoth]

Still have no idea about an Australian who cares about TurkoArmenian relationships

You are located in a continent thousands of miles away from Caucasus ,and still seeking our borders to be opened ?
Never and ever, Armenians are sentenced to collect 1000$ (they earn their money in TR in illegal ways) and to fly to USA to get some new jobs as well. LoL .

An airspace is redundant since there is nothing to talk with armenians.

[Yerevan]

What's going on Veritas. How are you brother? Long time no talk, hope everything is good with you.

By the way to you smell something? Something is rotten around here. I think it's coming from above.

[arrow]

As hard as it seems Mordoth has a good point. The airspace is just a little step and as long as the genocide claims remain there will be no relations between two states.

[veritas]

Still have no idea about an Australian who cares about TurkoArmenian relationships

You are located in a continent thousands of miles away from Caucasus ,and still seeking our borders to be opened ?
Never and ever, Armenians are sentenced to collect 1000$ (they earn their money in TR in illegal ways) and to fly to USA to get some new jobs as well. LoL .

An airspace is redundant since there is nothing to talk with armenians.

you said it perfectly mordy, you still have no idea

your opinion on the border situation is in line with almost all turks i have talked to, never ever blah blah blah.

how can a nation be so stupid as to give all of their power away by being the aggressor and antagonist constantly. if you guys just took a stance of indifference and made efforts for peace the rest of the world might just believe your crap. but alas turkey constantly perpetrates acts of active denial such as article 301 and the blatent persecution of anyone that speaks about anything they don't like.

i care because i am capable and i suspect this is something that again you will "still have no idea" about.

you lump all Armenians into the "illegal" category so easily. i will assume that this is not going to be backed up with any hard data or statistic at all. and hence a useless, benign statement.

i'm good yerevan , been heaps busy and don't get to get on here as much as i would like, we have another Aussie on here now an Assyrian, which is awesome

this forum seems so much quieter now i think i have to shake things up a bit hey

[Hosank]

Flights between the two cities started immediately after the Republic of Armenia won its independence in 1995

lol 'immediatly' even though armenia had been independant for 5 years at that point lool

Turkish businessmen in Yerevan

this is true, there are also many turkish products on sail in armenia

what do you think about that,maybe this start of normalization between two the countries?"

well that is the issue, we are still waiting for turkey to open it's border. it's embargo is illegal, and pointless, leading to the loss of jobs mostly on its own side of the boarder anyways

[arrow]

well that is the issue, we are still waiting for turkey to open it's border. it's embargo is illegal, and pointless, leading to the loss of jobs mostly on its own side of the boarder anyways

There is no such thing as an illegal embargo. You can not force anyone to have trade with you. And it is like you are swearing to a persons honor and then ask him to buy from your shop.

[KHAZARI]

lol 'immediatly' even though armenia had been independant for 5 years at that point lool
this is true, there are also many turkish products on sail in armenia
well that is the issue, we are still waiting for turkey to open it's border. it's embargo is illegal, and pointless, leading to the loss of jobs mostly on its own side of the boarder anyways

my friend,not only the embargo is illegal,if you want normalization with turkiye you should first find solution to your problems with azerbaycan still azeri land are under occupation and more than milion azeri people live in refugee camps first to all if we want peace and prosperity for all the countries in the region we need find solution to conflict with azerbaycan,later you can find solution who be accepted by both to your problem with turkiye and later three the countries will be prosperited country and this only helped to economy of all this countries.the choice is in your hand my friend ,the next step is yours.

greeting

[Mordoth]

GR- Aste me mori ,malaka.
EN - ( Look at me , dum )

your opinion on the border situation is in line with almost all turks i have talked to, never ever blah blah blah.

All Turks you 've talked to thinks the same and you oppose. So the Turks whom you 've talked silly , or the one(you) who disagree is genius.
Perfect egocentric lifestyle.
We have the same opinion because it is nothing more than a redundancy.

how can a nation be so stupid as to give all of their power away by being the aggressor and antagonist constantly. if you guys just took a stance of indifference and made efforts for peace the rest of the world might just believe your crap. but alas turkey constantly perpetrates acts of active denial such as article 301 and the blatent persecution of anyone that speaks about anything they don't like.

Giving all our power away ? Armenia is nothing for us. We ignore what they do,what they say because we are the heirs of one Empire. And what about them? They are unable to own anything. Artificial state.

We are already living in peace, we are not responsible to keep in contact with them, it is our choice. Your wills are to be ignored because we do not want to open our borders and it is better now.
They have broken the cease agreement by invading Karabagh. Turks had not attacked Armenia since the pact of Brest-Litovsk and Kars signed.


Articles which you speak about are already placed in some of eU members, veritas. Did they make those countries to recognize what they have done in the past ?
I will show what are implied on those articles of of civilized (!) European Union members.

i care because i am capable and i suspect this is something that again you will "still have no idea" about.

We are discussing about it ,so everyone would have a simple view upon Armenian question in Turkiye.

you lump all Armenians into the "illegal" category so easily. i will assume that this is not going to be backed up with any hard data or statistic at all. and hence a useless, benign statement.

Did Turkiye smash Armenia since the war of 1921 end ?
No.
After armistace and peace agreement ?
No.
Did Armos do that ? Yes.
Where ? Karabagh.

Since you and me are unable to resolve the question, let two states deal with it . Militarically or politically.

[veritas]

I would respond to your argument but unfortunately you made none to contend

you have shown that you still have no idea and i shall leave it there.

[Senharib]

Open borders with the twisted Mongols..??

Keep it closed! Only thing thay may slip trough would be a nuclear device. Seriously, until these mixed ###### cant admit their bloody history. Then they shoud be expelled by everyone!

Let that confused Bosnaic tell tales, it is still punk turks who suck EU lollypop. They are trying to charm their way in to the European Union. Its nice to se they try to adjust themselves like dogs, for example to rescpect the rights of minorities. Even when they try to live up on the demmands that has been given they still fail.

A couple of millions savage Mongols, Mozlems (Potentally terrorists?) to European Union...... No thank you!

[arrow]

Open borders with the twisted Mongols..??

Keep it closed! Only thing thay may slip trough would be a nuclear device. Seriously, until these mixed ###### cant admit their bloody history. Then they shoud be expelled by everyone!

Let that confused Bosnaic tell tales, it is still punk turks who suck EU lollypop. They are trying to charm their way in to the European Union. Its nice to se they try to adjust themselves like dogs, for example to rescpect the rights of minorities. Even when they try to live up on the demmands that has been given they still fail.

A couple of millions savage Mongols, Mozlems (Potentally terrorists?) to European Union...... No thank you!

Umm, it is ermenistan asking for us to open borders, not the other way around.... BTW I seriously think that you need to see a shrink .. You have to control your anger, all these insults make you look like a mixed ###### mongol...

[KHAZARI]

Open borders with the twisted Mongols..??

Keep it closed! Only thing thay may slip trough would be a nuclear device. Seriously, until these mixed ###### cant admit their bloody history. Then they shoud be expelled by everyone!

Let that confused Bosnaic tell tales, it is still punk turks who suck EU lollypop. They are trying to charm their way in to the European Union. Its nice to se they try to adjust themselves like dogs, for example to rescpect the rights of minorities. Even when they try to live up on the demmands that has been given they still fail.

A couple of millions savage Mongols, Mozlems (Potentally terrorists?) to European Union...... No thank you!

senharib.what you deal with this topic? this no you business.and mongol call to you sister idiot.

[Hosank]

There is no such thing as an illegal embargo. You can not force anyone to have trade with you. And it is like you are swearing to a persons honor and then ask him to buy from your shop.

lol, arrow, the master of oxymoron. embargo, is by definition illegal. you are not only trying to stop armenia from trading with you, but with every other nation in the world. THAT, is what makes it illegal. and also, (being a businessman, i find it hard to believe that you arn't already aware of this) countries don't have to want to trade with eachother. in a laissez-faire environment, it is private corporations who trade with each other no matter the nationality or border.

problems with azerbaycan still azeri land are under occupation and more than milion azeri people live in refugee camps

right well, why does turkey have to be involved with our problems in azerbaijan in the first place, and second, i will remind you that artsax is armenian, not turkic land, and that out of the 1 million refugees, 500 000 were armenians from azerbaijan.

Armenia is nothing for us. We ignore what they do,what they say because we are the heirs of one Empire.

this kind of turkic imperialist talk coming from mordoth, the protector of human rights, lool

Umm, it is ermenistan asking for us to open borders, not the other way around...

wooow..
arrow..i am finding it harder and harder to believe that you have ever had any experience in a business environment..what do you sell? condoms?
i mean come on.
you think that only armenia suffers from blockade? have you ever seen at poverty in eastern turkey? (ever since we were kicked out ) there has been almost no economic development in 80 years. have you not heard of the countless turkish businessmen lobbying for the opening of the border?

the only people who are ademantly opposed to the lifting of the blockade are the turkish government, and misinformed turkish diasporans like you.