Extermination Of The Greeks Of Turkey Options

[Kurd-BOSS]

A. The Greeks of Turkey

(from the “Denying Human Rights and Ethnic Identity” series of Human Rights Watch)

The Greek community in Turkey is dwindling, elderly and frightened.
Its population has declined from about 110,000 at the time of the
signing of the Lausanne Treaty in 1923 to about 2,500 today. Its fear
stems from an appalling history of pogroms and expulsions suffered
at the hands of the Turkish government. A Helsinki Watch mission
visited Turkey in October 1991 and found that the government there
continues to violate the human rights of the Greek minority. These
acts include harassment by police; restrictions on free expression;
discrimination in education involving teachers, books and
curriculum; restrictions on religious freedom; limitations on the right
to control charitable institutions; and the denial of ethnic identity. All
of these abuses violate international human rights laws and
standards that have been signed or endorsed by the government of
Turkey, including the European Convention on Human Rights and
the Paris Charter.

http://home.att.net/~dimostenis/greektr.html


THE NIGHT OF TERROR IN CONSTANTINOPLE




Under the terms of the agreement regarding the exchange of populations in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, the Greek population of Constantinople-a thriving community-and the Muslim community residing in Western Thrace were exempted from the exchange process.

In the beginning of the 20th century there were 300,000 Greeks residing in Constantinople.

They had managed to survive there despite centuries of oppression and persecution under the Ottoman yoke. But the Turks were determined to expel all Greeks from their ancient home using all available means. Thus, the Turks systematically used the following measures in order to accomplish their objective:

a) In May 1941, large numbers of young men ranging in age from 18-38. Were conscripted into the Turkish army from the Greek and Armenian communities The Turkish intention was to exterminate these young men through the well-known method of <<forced-labor battalions>>. If this extermination plan was not successful it was due to protests from the Western allies and the defeat of the Germans in Stalingrad in December 1942. Seeing the tides of war shifting, the Turkish authorities permitted the discharge of these soldiers.

b) On 11 November 1942, the Turkish government passed a law regarding taxation of property of non-Muslims, known as the VA RLIK VE RGISI. Through this! Non-Muslim citizens had to submit, without the right to appeal, to the discretion and arbitrary judgment of the tax clerks. The tax clerks, in turn, were instructed to appraise property at amounts many times over the actual value of each property. Then, if the individual concerned was unable to make payments of the enormous tax share (quota), the property was seized and the unfortunate owners were exiled to ACKALE, in Anatolia.

As a result (of the use) of these harsh and inhuman measures, by 1955 only 25,000 people were left, rather than the 450,000 that should have been their number given a normal rate of growth in 35 years.

On the night of the 6th September 1955, and using the Cyprus situation as a pretext, the Turks dealt the coupdegrace to the remaining inhabitants. The whole story of this pogrom is as follows:

On Saturday the 3rd of September 1955, the wife of the Turkish Consul in Thessaloniki asked for, and received, from a photographer in Thessaloniki supposedly for a keepsake a series of photographs and films of the Turkish Consulate and the neighboring home where Kemal Ataturk was born. The very next day she and her family left for Turkey.

At ten past midnight on the 6th of September 1955, in the garden of the Consulate, between the two buildings, dynamite exploded resulting in broken windows in both buildings. The Greek authorities rushed immediately to the scene. They established that two more explosive devices had been positioned in the Consulate yard and that within the building there was only one Turkish guard. In the investigation that followed it was determined that the explosives were placed there by the guard and his accomplice, a Turkish student at the Law School of the University of Thessaloniki, Oktai Egin Faik, who had brought the dynamite from Turkey a few days earlier.

On the 6th of September, Turkish newspapers using forged versions of the photos of the Turkish consul's wife and even before the explosion took place in Greece, depicted Kemal's birthplace as totally destroyed. By the evening, newspapers all over Turkey knew of the alleged destruction of Kemal's home setting off waves of anger among the Turkish populace.

The Turkish authorities then transported large groups of people in trains and military vehicles from Anatolia to Constantinople.

The attack by the angry mobs began at 5: 50 P.M on the 6th of September 1955 and ended at 02: 00 A.M on the 7th of September 1955. The police calmly assisted and even guided the mobs, in their relentless path of destruction.

At 00: 20 A.M on the 7th of September 1955 martial law was finally declared, at 02: 00 A.M curfew began and at 02: 30 A.M the authorities had restored a semblance of order.

Screaming slogans <<Today your property, tomorrow your lives>> the mobs had perpetrated terrible crimes. Those who guided them knew that by terrorizing the last Greek residents of Constantinople they would compel them to desert their homeland, once and for all. Simultaneously by destroying monuments, which were proof of the glorious Greek past of Constantinople, they would eradicate even future reminders of the Greek presence.

The results of the vandalisms were:

The Theological School of Halki, the Marasleios School, The Monestary of Valoukli, the Zappeio School for Girls and many other sites, suffered great damage.
Of the 83 Greek Orthodox churches in the <<Polis>> 59 were burned and most others suffered serious damage to the icons and ancient paintings of great value.
The tombs of Patriarchs were destroyed, Christian cemeteries and ossuaries were defiled;
3,000 homes were looted and destroyed;
4348 Greek stores were looted and destroyed;
200 Greek women were raped;
Hundreds of Greeks were ill-treated or tortured, such as the old Bishop of Derkon Iakovos; the metropolitan of Ilioupolis Yennadios, whose beard was cut off and who was then dragged through the streets so that he would die shortly thereafter from ill-treatment; and Bishop Pamphilou Yennadios that was thrown into the burned ruins of Valoukli;
15 Greeks were murdered and among them a 90 year old monk at the Valoukli Monastery, Chrys. Mantas, who was burned alive. Many others in the monastery were seriously wounded.
After the pogrom a great portion of the Greek population left Constantinople to save their lives.

On the 20th of September, 1975, in a special 35 page Survey section of the influential English magazine, The Economist, it was written: <<Turkish charges that the Moslem population in Western Thrace is harried by the Greek authorities are gross exaggerations. In 1923 there were 300,000 Greeks living in Constantinople and 110,000 Turks living in Thrace. Today, there are 15,000 Greeks living in Istanbul and 120,000 Turks in Thrace. The Greeks ask, with some justification, which country has been putting the pressure on which minority>>. (Survey-15).

It is important for us to realize that today, 1982; only 4,000 Greeks still remain in Constantinople.

In the pages to follow you will find irrefutable photographic evidence of a typical sample of Turkish cruelty, which managed to destroy the Hellenic population of Constantinople.

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A. The Greeks of Turkey

(from the “Denying Human Rights and Ethnic Identity” series of Human Rights Watch)

The Greek community in Turkey is dwindling, elderly and frightened.
Its population has declined from about 110,000 at the time of the
signing of the Lausanne Treaty in 1923 to about 2,500 today. Its fear
stems from an appalling history of pogroms and expulsions suffered
at the hands of the Turkish government. A Helsinki Watch mission
visited Turkey in October 1991 and found that the government there
continues to violate the human rights of the Greek minority. These
acts include harassment by police; restrictions on free expression;
discrimination in education involving teachers, books and
curriculum; restrictions on religious freedom; limitations on the right
to control charitable institutions; and the denial of ethnic identity. All
of these abuses violate international human rights laws and
standards that have been signed or endorsed by the government of
Turkey, including the European Convention on Human Rights and
the Paris Charter.

http://home.att.net/~dimostenis/greektr.html
THE NIGHT OF TERROR IN CONSTANTINOPLE


Under the terms of the agreement regarding the exchange of populations in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, the Greek population of Constantinople-a thriving community-and the Muslim community residing in Western Thrace were exempted from the exchange process.

In the beginning of the 20th century there were 300,000 Greeks residing in Constantinople.

They had managed to survive there despite centuries of oppression and persecution under the Ottoman yoke. But the Turks were determined to expel all Greeks from their ancient home using all available means. Thus, the Turks systematically used the following measures in order to accomplish their objective:

a) In May 1941, large numbers of young men ranging in age from 18-38. Were conscripted into the Turkish army from the Greek and Armenian communities The Turkish intention was to exterminate these young men through the well-known method of <<forced-labor battalions>>. If this extermination plan was not successful it was due to protests from the Western allies and the defeat of the Germans in Stalingrad in December 1942. Seeing the tides of war shifting, the Turkish authorities permitted the discharge of these soldiers.

b) On 11 November 1942, the Turkish government passed a law regarding taxation of property of non-Muslims, known as the VA RLIK VE RGISI. Through this! Non-Muslim citizens had to submit, without the right to appeal, to the discretion and arbitrary judgment of the tax clerks. The tax clerks, in turn, were instructed to appraise property at amounts many times over the actual value of each property. Then, if the individual concerned was unable to make payments of the enormous tax share (quota), the property was seized and the unfortunate owners were exiled to ACKALE, in Anatolia.

As a result (of the use) of these harsh and inhuman measures, by 1955 only 25,000 people were left, rather than the 450,000 that should have been their number given a normal rate of growth in 35 years.

On the night of the 6th September 1955, and using the Cyprus situation as a pretext, the Turks dealt the coupdegrace to the remaining inhabitants. The whole story of this pogrom is as follows:

On Saturday the 3rd of September 1955, the wife of the Turkish Consul in Thessaloniki asked for, and received, from a photographer in Thessaloniki supposedly for a keepsake a series of photographs and films of the Turkish Consulate and the neighboring home where Kemal Ataturk was born. The very next day she and her family left for Turkey.

At ten past midnight on the 6th of September 1955, in the garden of the Consulate, between the two buildings, dynamite exploded resulting in broken windows in both buildings. The Greek authorities rushed immediately to the scene. They established that two more explosive devices had been positioned in the Consulate yard and that within the building there was only one Turkish guard. In the investigation that followed it was determined that the explosives were placed there by the guard and his accomplice, a Turkish student at the Law School of the University of Thessaloniki, Oktai Egin Faik, who had brought the dynamite from Turkey a few days earlier.

On the 6th of September, Turkish newspapers using forged versions of the photos of the Turkish consul's wife and even before the explosion took place in Greece, depicted Kemal's birthplace as totally destroyed. By the evening, newspapers all over Turkey knew of the alleged destruction of Kemal's home setting off waves of anger among the Turkish populace.

The Turkish authorities then transported large groups of people in trains and military vehicles from Anatolia to Constantinople.

The attack by the angry mobs began at 5: 50 P.M on the 6th of September 1955 and ended at 02: 00 A.M on the 7th of September 1955. The police calmly assisted and even guided the mobs, in their relentless path of destruction.

At 00: 20 A.M on the 7th of September 1955 martial law was finally declared, at 02: 00 A.M curfew began and at 02: 30 A.M the authorities had restored a semblance of order.

Screaming slogans <<Today your property, tomorrow your lives>> the mobs had perpetrated terrible crimes. Those who guided them knew that by terrorizing the last Greek residents of Constantinople they would compel them to desert their homeland, once and for all. Simultaneously by destroying monuments, which were proof of the glorious Greek past of Constantinople, they would eradicate even future reminders of the Greek presence.

The results of the vandalisms were:

The Theological School of Halki, the Marasleios School, The Monestary of Valoukli, the Zappeio School for Girls and many other sites, suffered great damage.
Of the 83 Greek Orthodox churches in the <<Polis>> 59 were burned and most others suffered serious damage to the icons and ancient paintings of great value.
The tombs of Patriarchs were destroyed, Christian cemeteries and ossuaries were defiled;
3,000 homes were looted and destroyed;
4348 Greek stores were looted and destroyed;
200 Greek women were raped;
Hundreds of Greeks were ill-treated or tortured, such as the old Bishop of Derkon Iakovos; the metropolitan of Ilioupolis Yennadios, whose beard was cut off and who was then dragged through the streets so that he would die shortly thereafter from ill-treatment; and Bishop Pamphilou Yennadios that was thrown into the burned ruins of Valoukli;
15 Greeks were murdered and among them a 90 year old monk at the Valoukli Monastery, Chrys. Mantas, who was burned alive. Many others in the monastery were seriously wounded.
After the pogrom a great portion of the Greek population left Constantinople to save their lives.

On the 20th of September, 1975, in a special 35 page Survey section of the influential English magazine, The Economist, it was written: <<Turkish charges that the Moslem population in Western Thrace is harried by the Greek authorities are gross exaggerations. In 1923 there were 300,000 Greeks living in Constantinople and 110,000 Turks living in Thrace. Today, there are 15,000 Greeks living in Istanbul and 120,000 Turks in Thrace. The Greeks ask, with some justification, which country has been putting the pressure on which minority>>. (Survey-15).

It is important for us to realize that today, 1982; only 4,000 Greeks still remain in Constantinople.

In the pages to follow you will find irrefutable photographic evidence of a typical sample of Turkish cruelty, which managed to destroy the Hellenic population of Constantinople.

Tell me how many christians live in North irak today and how many used to live

Man you are a joke.

[Kurd-BOSS]

arrow don't derail and make up anything.

This is about how only 2% of the original Greek population in Istanbul/Constantinople have remained there....how come?

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arrow don't derail and make up anything.

This is about how only 2% of the original Greek population in Istanbul/Constantinople have remained there....how come?

I'd say about 650 years is enough for them to reduce the population. So how come you explain the absence of Christians of mesopotamia and southeast Turkiye? What happened to them ?

Oh BTW, there are no Greeks in Turkiye, there are Christian Turks though.

[Mordoth]

Greeks in istanbul were exchanged with the Turkish population in Greece with the treaty of Lausanne .

And the remaining greeks had left in 1955 and before 1970s .
Those silly greaks were not exterminated in Istanbul, MEIC EDIT: insult removed -mvBut the Turkish masses were incited by a provoker and greaks were terrified of attackers.

MEIC EDIT: insult removed. Warning: keep personal attacks and racist slurs out of this forum -mv

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Greeks in istanbul were exchanged with the Turkish population in Greece with the treaty of Lausanne .

And the remaining greeks had left in 1955 and before 1970s .
Those silly greaks were not exterminated in Istanbul, f*cking k**d.But the Turkish masses were incited by a provoker and greaks were terrified of attackers.

I thought that Stupidity is up to personality, but this kind of stupidity should be something genetical and only up to k**dish genes.

Brother, this guy is even unable to remember we helping them while they feld from Saddam and Chamical Ali, while the rest of the world just sat and watched what was hapening in Tv.

Just let him be, he is from a minority, the general Kurds do have great sympathy for us, the ones don't like us either PKK supporters or somehow related to them.

[Hosank]

incited by a provoker and greaks were terrified of attackers.

and the provoker(lol) was?...drum roll...

[Kurd-BOSS]

Brother, this guy is even unable to remember we helping them while they feld from Saddam and Chamical Ali, while the rest of the world just sat and watched what was hapening in Tv.

Just let him be, he is from a minority, the general Kurds do have great sympathy for us, the ones don't like us either PKK supporters or somehow related to them.

Sympathy for who?

Your usage of the word Kurd is already a criminal offense in Turkey. So shut up before they deny you entry into the imperialist border of Turkey.


By the way: You never helped Kurds from Saddam.... YOU HELPED SADDAM.
The Turkish authorities denied access for thuosands of fleeing refugees , from attacks of Saddams republican guard. One side it was saddam, other side it was ataturks turkey.
Saddam=Ataturk

As the Republican Guard proceeded, well over a million Kurds fled in unprecedented numbers to the Turkish and Iranian borders. Iran accepted the Kurdish refugees, but Turkey refused them entrance. Refugees on the Turkish border were stranded on mountainsides exposed to the winter weather, and because trucks could not reach them there was a desperate lack of food and materials from which to build shelter. Turkey allowed foreign journalists into the area, and the world watched, aghast, as thousands of Kurds died

source

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Sympathy for who?

Your usage of the word Kurd is already a criminal offense in Turkey. So shut up before they deny you entry into the imperialist border of Turkey.
By the way: You never helped Kurds from Saddam.... YOU HELPED SADDAM.
The Turkish authorities denied access for thuosands of fleeing refugees , from attacks of Saddams republican guard. One side it was saddam, other side it was ataturks turkey.
Saddam=Ataturk
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Thank you for giving me another chance to show you and our audiance how prejudiced, uneducated and singleminded you are

Here is actually what happened..


1991: UK forces withdraw from Kurdish haven
British troops protecting the Kurdish population in Iraq have begun to pull out of the region.

They had been part of a western relief effort - Operation Haven - to re-settle 450,000 Kurdish refugees who fled into the Turkish mountains when Iraqi President Saddam Hussein crushed their rebellion in March.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2503447.stm

Turkey braces for refugee flood
450,000 Iraqi Kurdish refugees flooded Turkey in 1991. Another Gulf war may spur a second exodus.
By Ilene R. Prusher | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0129/p06s01-wosc.html


ust as the experience of years of repression fed the fury of the uprising, it fueled the terrified exodus as soon as the rebellion began to falter. The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees called the exodus the largest in its 40–year history. During March and early April, nearly two million of Iraqis escaped from strife-torn cities to the mountains along the northern borders, into the Southern marshes, and into Turkey and Iran. Their exodus was sudden and chaotic, with thousands fleeing on foot, on donkeys, or crammed onto open-backed trucks and tractors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq


Kurd Boss, in 1988 around 1 million to 1,5 million entered Turkiye and found shelter here. LAter in 1991 another 500,000 + entered . You can see the numbers from reliable sources like BBC, CSM. And the 1988 refugees are listed in UN sources..

Thank you

[Kurd-BOSS]

Kurd Boss, in 1988 around 1 million to 1,5 million entered Turkiye and found shelter here. LAter in 1991 another 500,000 + entered . You can see the numbers from reliable sources like BBC, CSM. And the 1988 refugees are listed in UN sources..

Thank you

The biggest lie in human history is that "Kurds fled to Turkey in 1988" . You will hear a lot of racist Turks shout this sentence.
There were some attempts by small groups of Kurds to flee, which are considered reasonable seeing the governments are running after them.... IN NO WAY DID KURDS ENTER TURKEY IN 1988 WITH HUGE NUMBERS.

The only time they did with large numbers was in 1991, YES.... but how where they welcomed? hmmm

AFTER THE WAR; U.S. URGES TURKEY TO OPEN BORDERS TO FLEEING KURDS

Despite domestic and foreign pressure to help thousands of Kurds attempting to flee the Iraqi Army, the United States limited its actions today to calling on Turkey to open its borders to the refugees.

In talks with the American Ambassador, Morton I. Abramowitz, the Turkish Government refused the American request, saying it could not afford to permit a mass entry of perhaps as many as 500,000 refugees.

Kurdish refugees continued to jam roads leading to Turkey and Iran and there were reports that Iraqi soldiers were still attacking them. The Kurdish revolt, now quelled by forces loyal to President Saddam Hussein, originated after American-led forces drove Iraq out of Kuwait and after repeated calls by from President Bush for the removal of Mr. Hussein. The Administration then decided not to intervene in the Iraqi domestic conflict.

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Washington Post:

The Kurds also attest to the 'realist' betrayal of Iraq in 1991. As Coalition Forces were breaking the back of Saddam's army from the air, President George HW Bush's public suggestion to Iraqis, "to take matters into their own hands and force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside," encouraged Kurdish and Shiite uprising against the Baathist regime. George H.W. Bush and Baker provided no support and tens of thousands of Shi'a and Kurdish Iraqis were slaughtered in reprisal once the regime regrouped.

The last truly 'realist' administration in United States history only intervened after considerable public pressure following shocking CNN images of Kurdish refugees, and after Turkey resisted accepting thousands of refugees. Even then, the intervention was mitigated. A safe haven was set up for the Kurds, but little was done for the Shiites beyond the "no-fly zone" in southern Iraq, in which Saddam's almost non-existent air force was not allowed to fly but where Iraqi attack helicopters were.

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Turkish soldiers prevented about 500,000 more Kurdish refugees on the Iraqi side of the border from crossing over to Turkey, forcing them to remain in makeshift camps

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Following the 18 April Memorandum of Understanding between Iraq and the UN, a mass voluntary repatriation effort has begun, involving some 1.5 million refugees, mainly Iraqi Kurds, now living in temporary camps along the border with Turkey and in Iran. During that time, thousands of Kurds, mostly women and children, were reported to have died of starvation and exposure. In some areas, 800 fell victim daily to malnutrition and disease.





PS: there are also images/videos of Turkish soldiers beating to death, and shooting at Kurdish refugees.

[Kurd-BOSS]

While we're at it, lets document the not only racist behavior of Turk soldiers towards Iraqi Kurds, but also against Turkey's Kurds:

Human Rights Watch has documented many instances where the Turkish military forcibly evacuated villages, destroying houses and equipment to prevent the return of the inhabitants. An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped from the map, representing the displacement of more than 378,000 people.

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Evacuations were unlawful and violent. Security forces would surround a village using helicopters, armored vehicles, troops, and village guards, and burn stored produce, agricultural equipment, crops, orchards, forests, and livestock. They set fire to houses, often giving the inhabitants no opportunity to retrieve their possessions. During the course of such operations, security forces frequently abused and humiliated villagers, stole their property and cash, and ill-treated or tortured them before herding them onto the roads and away from their former homes. The operations were marked by scores of “disappearances” and extrajudicial executions. By the mid-1990s, more than 3,000 villages had been virtually wiped from the map, and, according to official figures, 378,335 Kurdish villagers had been displaced and left homeless.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...stan-turkey.htm

Kurdish refugees in their own country

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So first you said we didn't open our borders and then you said we only opened them in 1991. next thing we know you will tell us that we opened up our borders in 1988 but weren't kind enough And you even call BBC and CSM liars then post some website nobody knew before you found it somewhere and use it as a source.

The reality is around 2 million Kurds did flee from Saddam. They entered Turkiye + Syria and Iran. Today Kurds are in conflict with these 3 states... Well something is wrong about this but just can't figure it out

And yes, we just opened our borders and let the Kurds in just to beat them up... You really need to get a life

[Kurd-BOSS]

http://www.aihgs.com/pontus.htm

[irlandahay]

Tell me how many christians live in North irak today and how many used to live

Man you are a joke.

So because there are crimes being commited all over the world makes it right for you to discard his information?

In fact, northern Iraq is (well was, since you guys decided to attack) considered the safest place in all of Iraq for christians.

I recall the Kurdish community leaders publicly apologizeing for their role in the armenian genocide.
I think their in the right direction.

Tell me turk, what peace have you made with your past in the past 90 years?
How much closer to freedom, justice and democracy have you come?

A coup every 10 years, denying of religious or minority freedoms, suppression of freedom of speeche and an illegal occupation soon to have another one if you go into Iraq.

Hails

[irlandahay]

And yes, we just opened our borders and let the Kurds in just to beat them up... You really need to get a life

Well actually it makes sense. If you denyed them entry, after tons of pressure from the US, England and all nations, you would be seen as a butchering tyrant country. A cruel one who refuses to help out their neighbours. Letting them in doesnt mean they are welcomed guests.

Once their in, no one knows what happens to them because they are under your jurisdiction.

Its a pretty smart way to get rid of unwanted peoples. Kinda like in 1915 wouldnt you say?

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http://www.aihgs.com/pontus.htm

Aww you are so sweet

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So because there are crimes being commited all over the world makes it right for you to discard his information?

In fact, northern Iraq is (well was, since you guys decided to attack) considered the safest place in all of Iraq for christians.

I recall the Kurdish community leaders publicly apologizeing for their role in the armenian genocide.
I think their in the right direction.

Tell me turk, what peace have you made with your past in the past 90 years?
How much closer to freedom, justice and democracy have you come?

A coup every 10 years, denying of religious or minority freedoms, suppression of freedom of speeche and an illegal occupation soon to have another one if you go into Iraq.

Hails

Hey wake up, ermeni are not the only christians.. Actually the are where they like to call kurdistan is where the first church was build, where the christians started a state and let the world meet the religion christianity. It is becouse of those people you are following Jesus Christ's teachings ( do you ?) today...

Your obsession combined with the lack of history knowledge is making you write these but you should know you are a little more responsible then these with your own culture's history.

As to answer your question, I don't waste time on lies and there was no genocide. You grandparents or whoever were relocated. And coming from a communist ermeni the accusations are lame.

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Well actually it makes sense. If you denyed them entry, after tons of pressure from the US, England and all nations, you would be seen as a butchering tyrant country. A cruel one who refuses to help out their neighbours. Letting them in doesnt mean they are welcomed guests.

Once their in, no one knows what happens to them because they are under your jurisdiction.

Its a pretty smart way to get rid of unwanted peoples. Kinda like in 1915 wouldnt you say?

Oh, I don't recall anyone else but Turkiye helping them. Ask your parents what kind of help they gave to those suffered under Saddam's regime. Or even better ask to your government.

And c'moon you are being funny. In 1915 they got relocated, in 1988 and 1991 we let them in. What kind of similarity you see in these ? And nobody would know what happened to them ( around 1,5 to 1,8 million kurds between 1988 and 1991 ) at times of modern media, how come they know of a ( lie ) genocide

[irlandahay]

Hey wake up, ermeni are not the only christians.. Actually the are where they like to call kurdistan is where the first church was build, where the christians started a state and let the world meet the religion christianity. It is becouse of those people you are following Jesus Christ's teachings ( do you ?) today...

Your obsession combined with the lack of history knowledge is making you write these but you should know you are a little more responsible then these with your own culture's history.

As to answer your question, I don't waste time on lies and there was no genocide. You grandparents or whoever were relocated. And coming from a communist ermeni the accusations are lame.

Again, please tell me where I said the Christians in Iraq are armenians.

The Assyrians are in a much better state and the kurdish government is making great effort to normalise relations.

I merely pointed out that kurds are able to accept their past and move on, something the turks have never managed to do.

My religious views are none of your concern.

"Hey wake up, ermeni are not the only christians.. Actually the are where they like to call kurdistan is where the first church was build, where the christians started a state and let the world meet the religion christianity. It is becouse of those people you are following Jesus Christ's teachings ( do you ?) today...

Your obsession combined with the lack of history knowledge is making you write these but you should know you are a little more responsible then these with your own culture's history. "

This sentence was not english so I'l merely pass over it...

I'm no communist and my grandparents were sure as hell not relocated. My grandfather was the only one of his entire family to have survived. He was left with nothing and no one. So you can lie to yourself but its only ignorant fascist turks like you who buy it, but the world sure as hell isnt bling

[irlandahay]

Oh, I don't recall anyone else but Turkiye helping them. Ask your parents what kind of help they gave to those suffered under Saddam's regime. Or even better ask to your government.

And c'moon you are being funny. In 1915 they got relocated, in 1988 and 1991 we let them in. What kind of similarity you see in these ? And nobody would know what happened to them ( around 1,5 to 1,8 million kurds between 1988 and 1991 ) at times of modern media, how come they know of a ( lie ) genocide

And how about we ask the Kirgistan government what help they gave them
I swear do you even think things through before you post?

Armenia has no common border with Northern Iraq.
And the some 50 000 kurds living in Armenian lands go unharassed and have been ever since they got there. Tell me, what are the living standards for kurds or other minorities in Turkey?

Oh please. A relocation where some 1.5 million people suddenly disappear?
That was probably the worst relocation plan I'v ever heard of. Even hitler managed to get alot of jews alive in time for the camps...

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In fact, northern Iraq is (well was, since you guys decided to attack) considered the safest place in all of Iraq for christians.

I recall the Kurdish community leaders publicly apologizeing for their role in the armenian genocide.
I think their in the right direction.

everything is related to your fake genocide in your crooked way of logic...

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The Assyrians are in a much better state and the kurdish government is making great effort to normalise relations.

I merely pointed out that kurds are able to accept their past and move on, something the turks have never managed to do.

Go tell this to Assyrians, I am sure you'll be surprised by their comments

[Kurd-BOSS]

Armenia has no common border with Northern Iraq.

Too bad it doesn't, however I have heard that Iraqi Kurdistan and Amenia are trying to cooperate with eachother.

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Too bad it doesn't, however I have heard that Iraqi Kurdistan and Amenia are trying to cooperate with eachother.

Well isn't that a surprise