Crimean Tartar Genocide, May 18th, 1944 Options

[Mordoth]

Source : Turkish Genocide in Crimea - Dr Necip Hablemitoglu
Editor : Sacide Ercetin

Crimea is a region that is located at the north of Black Sea . Its political&strategical situation is still important for our fellow brothers.Because the security of Black Sea could be provided by conquest of Crimea.
Crimea is the gate that seperates Turkic World , Russian federation and Ukraine.

Crimea under Soviet control, was sentenced to total destruction between the years 1918 - 1944. With its National Heritage not only that are physical , literally , culturally , folkloric , identity and National roots. This is another issue to be investigated. Crimea was sentenced to Slavic script.

MASSACRES in TURKISH CRIMEA
- The Russian savagery.
First step was the assasination of President of Autonomous Republic of Turkish Crimea , Celebi Cihan. And in a small period of time, the wise Turkist illuminators are cleansed. In 1920 ; 60000-70000 Turks were killed and survivors were exiled to Siberia.

Second step was started in 1921 when the " contrived Famine " was created. Grapes and wheat imported from Turkiye did not send to the region and the humanitarian aid proposal of Italian Red-Cross was refused. 60% of deaths were Crimean Turks because of malnutrition.

Third step was the assasination of a pro-Independant , Veli Ibrahim , and 724 of his men were exiled to unknown tunduras of Russia in 1927 .3500 Turks were executed by shooting with such an artificial reason.

Fourth step was the usurpation of the lands of the landowner Crimean Tartars. 40000-50000 were exiled to Urals and Siberia and many of them were found dead.
Fifth step was started with the Revolution of Alakat and thousands of Crimean Turks were killed and exiled with this reason , 1929
Sixth step was the usurpation of Crimean wheat and exportation of these goods to Europe ,1930-1936. With this famine ,because of lack of sources , total number of Turkish looses found 7 Millions.

Simultaneously , Turkish religious leaders were replaced with pro-communist ones.
Replaced leaders were sent to concentration camps and religionlessness was injected day by day , 1931-1936.

Moscow was unable to keep the wolves however they wished. Despite numerous massacres and mass killings , Russians could not found an authority. A counter reaction occured and Crimean people fully combined. Russians understood that National identity of Turks were unable to be eradicated so they've decided to exile whole Population. " Kill whether you are unable to comply ".
There will be no second nation who were deported for times.

During World War II, pain suffered by Turks were escalated. President of Former Soviet Union , Stalin , decided and governed to exile whole NON-RUSSIAN populations living within Soviet territory.
Stalin asserted Crimean Tartars by collaboration with GErmans during the battle .In the night of May 18th , 1944 approximately 100000 of our co-blooded fellow brothers were savagely massacred.

Order of Stalin was conduced to Tartars and in 15 minutes, whole people of Crimea are told to get together in current Town Halls. The ones who did not want to leave their homes are forced to go. The ones who resist were killed by punch and butt.Survivors are carried by animal-wagons and qatars.
2 months of journey caused many people to die. Reasons were Dehydration, malnutrition , disease , deoxygenation and dirts in wagons .First ones who have sent were women , children and elder.
Youngsters were still fighting so they were to sent later . Turkish corpses even did not permit to be buried.
Those dead people were left in stations and many of them were rot during the journey. Many of them driven insane .
They were exiled to hundreds of miles inside of Central Asia and Siberia- Urals. Many of Tartars could not stabilize their lives because of bad conditions in Central Asia. Diseases halved the population of deportees. None of those deportees were let to go away from whereever they were located.
People who were Speaking TURKISH were imprisoned even people singing in Turkish were kept inside. None of them were permitted to be educated, and conservation of their culture was not permitted. The purpose was to deplect the resistance by seperating those people and prohobiting the communications.

Since 1956 , despite all the worse conditions , they 've protected their identities.
In a small town of Arabat , 150 Turks were heard to be forgotten. And Stalin said : " Finish them in 24 hours ". Whole population was fulfilled inside a boat and some miles away from the coast, the boat was bombarded and sunk .

Kalmuks , Chechens -Ingushians , Volga-Germans , Karachai Turks , Kabardeis- Balkar Circassians were also the ones exiled. These exiles and deportations were kept secret from International society for years . Motherlands of publics , massacres...etc were also left untold .

1967 , September 5th ; Crimean Turks were allowed to go back wherever they belonged to , however this decision was a trick and none of them were allowed to stay and gone back.

Nationalist movement of Crimean Tartars has been a conflict. Meetings and demonstrations were organized , those who have attended . In 1978 ,April 23th a Turk named Musa Mahmud have burned himself to protest the Russian savagery. Abdulmecid Mustafa Kirimoglu was imprisoned and after the demonstrations in Moscow , government of USSR decided that these people were asserted by false accusations.

IN 1990 , Crimean people were allowed to come back to their motherlands. However they've found Russians placed to their homes. Still , the struggle of Crimea to be independant is going on. Crimea was disintegrated from Turkiye in 1774.
As Ismail Gaspirinsky , The Crimean Leader ,says " Unification and Agreement in Language , thought and Work ". The massacres , assimilations still carried out show that TURKs are real victims of such brute movements.
We can see what Socialists think of "humanitarianism" .
How can the massacres In Crimea ,Balcans ,Caucasus , Azarbaican , Northern Iraq and Turkish Cyprus be classified?
Owning and recognizing the TRUE genocide applied to TURKs is our humanic " moral duty " .True genociders are obviously at our sight . Retrospect yourselves ...

Turks were the inhabitants of Crimea, they were located BC VIIth century.




ABDULMECIT KIRIMOGLU , The Great Leader of CRIMEAN TARTARs .

Acıbulat (Uglovoye), Ak-Çokrak (Belıy Istoçnik), Akşeyh (Krasnaya Zarya), Aktaçi (Furmanovka), Albat (Kuybişevo), Almaçık
(Yablokovo), Alma-Kermen (Zavetnoye), Alma-Kermen (Mironovka), Alma-Tamak (Pesçanoye), Alma-Tarhan (Krasnoarmeyskoye), Aramköy
(Dlinnaya), Aramköy (Novenkaya), Arançi (Suvorove), Atçeut (Kazanki), Avcıköy (Ohotniçye), Azek (Plodovoye), Aziz (Zadorojnoye). Bakkal-Su (Panfilovka), Balta Çokrak (Aleşino), Bi-El (Dorojnoye), Biya Sala (Verhoreçye), Bürlük (Vilino), Cavcürek (Sosnovka), Çerkez-Eli (Balki), Çotkara (Malodvornaya), Efendikoy (Komsomolskoye), Yukarı Duvanköy (Verhne Sadovoe), Eski El (Vişnevoye), Eski Yurt (Podgorodnoye), Gaciköy (Pirogovka), Hanışköy (Otradnoye), Golümbey (Nekrasovka), İdeşel (Nagornoye), Kalımtay (Tenistoe), Kazbi-Eli (Solneçnoye), Kişen
(Goreloe), Kocuk-Eli (Şevçenkovo), Koçkar-Eli (Bryanskoye), Koş-Degermen (Preduşçelnoye), Kouş (Şelkoviçnoye), Laki (Goryanka), Lenka-Kabazi (Malinovka), Mamaşay (Orlovka), Manguş (Partizanskoye), Novıe Baydarı (Ravnopole), N. Bodrak (Trudolyubovka), Orta-Kisek (Sviderskoye), Oteş-Eli (Koçergino), Oysun (Rastuşçee), Pıçki (Baştanovka), Sakav (Zayaçe), Salaçık (Staroselye), Stilya (Lesnikovo), Süyürtaş (Belokamennoye), Şakul (Samohvalovo), Şurı (Kudrino), Taştepe (Tenistoe), Tatarköy (Maşino), Tav Badrak (Skalistoe), Tiberti (Turgenevka), Tole (Daçnoye), Topçiköy (Dolinnoye), Ulaklı (Glubokiy Yar), Ulu Sala (Zelenoye), Ürmek (Zagorskoye), Büyük Yaşlav (Repino), Küçük-Yaşlav (Viktorovka)

ISMAIL GASPIRINSKY



ON THE DAY OF MEMORIAL OF GENOCIDE OF CRIMEAN TARTARS , We Pray for the souls of innocents ...

[Hosank]

wow...im impressed...
i did not know you could find so many factitious genocides on your people to mourn on, yet you STILL cannot accept your own.

[Kurd-BOSS]

Mordoth, Crimea is more Russian than Turkish

[irlandahay]

Pray for their souls?

arnt you an atheist? nope...ur just a walking contradiction sorry...

ooo the poo turks, wherver they go atrocities are commited against them... pathetic

[Mordoth]

irlandahay ;

I translated a quote , that's why i 've written the sentence of praise .

Kurd-Boss

Russians are the Kurdish people who have seen Russia
LoL ; i understand your view .
But if you've read , the task and fact is that 7 millions of TURKS are MASSACRED in Crimean peninsula.
Is it Russian ? or purely-Turkish ?

We 've ruled KIRIM from 15th century till the end of 18th century .

Hosank

You can not accept that your protectors, Russians , commited many crimes and their savagery is legendary , indeed that's why they treat like the gendarme of Orthodox people of Caucasus. LoL

If it was an artificial genocide , there would not still left 200000 Tartars away from their homelands today.
As i said , there is no SECOND nation which is sentenced to numerous numbers of Exiles.

[irlandahay]

irlandahay ;

I translated a quote , that's why i 've written the sentence of praise .

Kurd-Boss

Russians are the Kurdish people who have seen Russia
LoL ; i understand your view .
But if you've read , the task and fact is that 7 millions of TURKS are MASSACRED in Crimean peninsula.
Is it Russian ? or purely-Turkish ?

We 've ruled KIRIM from 15th century till the end of 18th century .

Hosank

You can not accept that your protectors, Russians , commited many crimes and their savagery is legendary , indeed that's why they treat like the gendarme of Orthodox people of Caucasus. LoL

If it was an artificial genocide , there would not still left 200000 Tartars away from their homelands today.
As i said , there is no SECOND nation which is sentenced to numerous numbers of Exiles.

is this guy for real?

your little: if there was genocide there would be this many people at such and such location...wev all heard it before. Turks cant do math. 7 million turks? really... the holocaust gets more coverage then the horrible turkish genocide of crimea, in wich 79839042309748357927434 turks lost their meaningless lives.

your the joke of this forum...

[Mordoth]

is this guy for real?

your little: if there was genocide there would be this many people at such and such location...wev all heard it before. Turks cant do math. 7 million turks? really... the holocaust gets more coverage then the horrible turkish genocide of crimea, in wich 79839042309748357927434 turks lost their meaningless lives.

your the joke of this forum...

Firstly, christian kurd , know that we know how to calculate and compute our casualties.
Secondly , owner of this quote , PhD. Necib Hablemitoglu is assasinated .
Thirdly , 7 millions of Turks were killed because of artificial famines , execution by bullets , numerous numbers of deportations , is it okay ?

It is your lives which are meaningless. Each of your breaths which you inhale IS an insult to Turkish nation.

[Kurd-BOSS]

Well Mordoth, there is a sizeable minority of Kurds in Russia too.
However I think that it is more likely that casualties in Crimea were Russian for the majority, instead of Turkish crimeans.

[irlandahay]

Firstly, christian kurd , know that we know how to calculate and compute our casualties.
Secondly , owner of this quote , PhD. Necib Hablemitoglu is assasinated .
Thirdly , 7 millions of Turks were killed because of artificial famines , execution by bullets , numerous numbers of deportations , is it okay ?

It is your lives which are meaningless. Each of your breaths which you inhale IS an insult to Turkish nation.

Firstly, sheep hurder.
I am no christian kurd. I am an armenian and an irishmen an its written in my profile and has been visible for the past year and a half. ok, so you cant read but you can do math? uh-huh

the PHD mcCrapcakes-oglu is dead...that means his information is cerdible?
you ahve the logic of a child. and I heard in turkey they hand out PHD's like Party Flyers!
(Justin McCarthy, and all your other turkish "historians")


my life is meaningless? hahaha
oooh turk, you ahve no idea how bad I can throw you underground just because of that last sentence. But I wont, I wont humiliate you so badly that youl never show your face on this forum again, because I have a HUMAN emotion, things that turks just cant understand. its called compassion.

so enjoy looking stupid on this forum sheep herder, keep posting stupid comments, just keep in mind that youv just humiliated yourself on the internet...

[Hosank]

turk.
1, if there is anyone on this forum ready to speak out against the crimes committed by the soviets, it's me. i am well aware of the 20 million Ukrainians that were put to death, or the countless hundreds of thousands that were sent to siberia from all around the soviet union, as well as the deportation of the chechens, armenian hamshens, and armenians out right..

i know what happened to the crimean tatars btw. but there arn't even 7 million people in the crimea for a genocide of 7 million people to happen. the numbers are quiiiiiite exaggerated. but that was when the soviets, under stalin decided to displace peoples in order to make cultural identification disappear, and people would disintegrate as nations.


what happened to the crimean tatars is tragic yes, but as usual you over exagerate what happened.

know that we know how to calculate and compute our casualties.

but not those of your victims obviously..

and do not play the hypocrite game here. how can you be so extatic and energetic, and so emotionally destroyed for a little thing that happened in the crimea, but you still waist time and energy trying to deny what YOUR OWN GRANDPARENTS have done only 93 years ago?????
your feelings of grief, though based on a grossly exaggerated event, is roughly the same that we experience, knowing what happened to our grandparents in a real event. now do you understand why we do not play games with genocide here? as you do?

[davit]

is this guy for real?

never....

[Hosank]

As i said , there is no SECOND nation which is sentenced to numerous numbers of Exiles.

yes, after the armenians, there are the jews...

[Hosank]

As i said , there is no SECOND nation which is sentenced to numerous numbers of Exiles.

yes, after the armenians, there are the jews...

[Darkseid]

Mordoth, Crimea is more Russian than Turkish

Ukrainian, not Russian. I'm part Russian.

Firstly, sheep hurder.
I am no christian kurd. I am an armenian and an irishmen an its written in my profile and has been visible for the past year and a half. ok, so you cant read but you can do math? uh-huh

the PHD mcCrapcakes-oglu is dead...that means his information is cerdible?
you ahve the logic of a child. and I heard in turkey they hand out PHD's like Party Flyers!
(Justin McCarthy, and all your other turkish "historians")
my life is meaningless? hahaha
oooh turk, you ahve no idea how bad I can throw you underground just because of that last sentence. But I wont, I wont humiliate you so badly that youl never show your face on this forum again, because I have a HUMAN emotion, things that turks just cant understand. its called compassion.

so enjoy looking stupid on this forum sheep herder, keep posting stupid comments, just keep in mind that youv just humiliated yourself on the internet...

Hey buddy, I'm part Irish too.

[Hosank]

me toooo..

[KHAZARI]

CRIMEA BELONG TO KHAZAR EMPIRE IN 7 CENTURY THIS IS TURKISH TERRITORY NO RUSSIAN AND NOT UKRAINIAN KIRIM VATAN

[irlandahay]

CRIMEA BELONG TO KHAZAR EMPIRE IN 7 CENTURY THIS IS TURKISH TERRITORY NO RUSSIAN AND NOT UKRAINIAN KIRIM VATAN

haha

[Hosank]

loool...

first, there were no turks in the crimea in the 7th century, second, one time ownership of a land does not give you right to it,

[KHAZARI]

FIRS KHAZAR EMPIRE CONTROL IN CRIMEA FROM THE 7 CENTURY SINCE WE ARE LIVE IN CRIMEA THIS WE ARE HOMELAND,

AND I WANT SAY WHO I NO TYPICAL PANTURKIST SUCH TO SOME THE TURKS HERE. I NO CLAIN MONGOL ORIGIN , I NO BELIEVE WHO AMERICAN NATIVE IS TURKS .

THE PEOPLE IN MODERNDAY LIVING IN ALTAY REGION IS MOSTLY MONGOLS TRIBE WHO TURKIFILED

AND KAZAKH AND KIRGHIZ IS NOT PURE TURKS THEY MIXED heavily WITH MONGOLS ESPECIALLY IN TAMERLAN AGE.TAMERLAN CAPTURE MONGOLS TRIBE AND FORCE THE TO BE MUSLIM OR DEATH THESE MONGOLS TRIBE BEGAN MUSLIMS AND MIXED WITH CENTRAL ASIAN PEOPLE.

[HayArsen]

FIRS KHAZAR EMPIRE CONTROL IN CRIMEA FROM THE 7 CENTURY SINCE WE ARE LIVE IN CRIMEA THIS WE ARE HOMELAND,

AND I WANT SAY WHO I NO TYPICAL PANTURKIST SUCH TO SOME THE TURKS HERE. I NO CLAIN MONGOL ORIGIN , I NO BELIEVE WHO AMERICAN NATIVE IS TURKS .

THE PEOPLE IN MODERNDAY LIVING IN ALTAY REGION IS MOSTLY MONGOLS TRIBE WHO TURKIFILED

AND KAZAKH AND KIRGHIZ IS NOT PURE TURKS THEY MIXED heavily WITH MONGOLS ESPECIALLY IN TAMERLAN AGE.TAMERLAN CAPTURE MONGOLS TRIBE AND FORCE THE TO BE MUSLIM OR DEATH THESE MONGOLS TRIBE BEGAN MUSLIMS AND MIXED WITH CENTRAL ASIAN PEOPLE.

Writing in all CAPS, does not make you cool.

[Hosank]

lol, and before your khazar friends, there were the The Cimmerians, Greeks, Iranians, Goths, Huns, Bulgars, and after, there were the russians, germans, and so on...so what is your point..

also, there are some 10 000 armenians living in the crimia alone, most of which have been there since the 10th century



see? the armenian monastary of surp khatch (saint cross) in the crimea.

so, while we are at it, we armenians can also claim the cremia just for the fun of it.

and khazaks and uzbecs, and turks are all related to mongols to beggin with

[KHAZARI]

IM KARAY TURK WE ARE DIRECTLY DESCENDANT OF KHAZAR PEOPLE THIS PROVED IN STUDY ANTHROPOLOGY AND DNA STUDY WE ARE NO MONGOLOID IN APPEARANCE .THE KHAZAR TURK IS OLD TURAPPEARANCEK TRIBE IN ARABIAN SOURCE THE GEOGRAPHER ISTAKHRI CLAIMED WHO KHAZAR CAUCASOID. RUSSIAN SCHOLARS CLAIN WHO KHAZAR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE NORTH CAUCASUS .DONT TEACH MY ABOUT MY PEOPLE SOME TURKS IS CRAZY AND BOZKURT IS RACIST AND
SHAMEFUL .TURK NO RACIST AND NO HAVE TURKISH RACE THIS BULSHIT. TURKS IS UNION OF DIFFRENT ETHNIC ORIGIN . TURKS IS LANGUAGE CULTUR AND HISTORICAL CONNECTION NO ETHNIC MY FRIEND.

I NOT HAVE NOTHING AGAIN ARMENIAN IN CRIMEA KARAY TURK AND ARMENIAN LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE. I RECPECT YOU HOSNAK AND THE CONFLICT IS BETWEEN THE GOVERMENTS NO BETWEEN THE SIMLE PEOPLE.

[irlandahay]

Writing in all CAPS, does not make you cool.

LOL HAHAHAHAHA Arsen! Khntalen maretsa!

[HayArsen]

LOL HAHAHAHAHA Arsen! Khntalen maretsa!

lol as nor eshe ove? asi el "moghraguyn gayl" che, bayc himar baner kgri

[Mordoth]

loool...

first, there were no turks in the crimea in the 7th century, second, one time ownership of a land does not give you right to it,

Yes, also there were no Turks in Europe since Hunnic immigration , do not even forget that chronological sequence is not important. ( As if there were plenty of Armenian inhabitants in Crimea that's why he has shown the armo-church , lol )

We have always dominated Crimea since 1774.
- Avar-Khazar-Baltic Domination
- Golden Horde Empire
- Ottoman Empire and such . LoL , and it is an Armenian-Job to mess up some kind of important topics by telling many non-related things .

wanna-be Armenian Job , coming Soon .

Crimea was Turkish, and when the dwellers of Crimea come back to their motherland , we will re-own it.

[Mordoth]

IM KARAY TURK WE ARE DIRECTLY DESCENDANT OF KHAZAR PEOPLE THIS PROVED IN STUDY ANTHROPOLOGY AND DNA STUDY WE ARE NO MONGOLOID IN APPEARANCE .THE KHAZAR TURK IS OLD TURAPPEARANCEK TRIBE IN ARABIAN SOURCE THE GEOGRAPHER ISTAKHRI CLAIMED WHO KHAZAR CAUCASOID. RUSSIAN SCHOLARS CLAIN WHO KHAZAR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE NORTH CAUCASUS .DONT TEACH MY ABOUT MY PEOPLE SOME TURKS IS CRAZY AND BOZKURT IS RACIST AND
SHAMEFUL .TURK NO RACIST AND NO HAVE TURKISH RACE THIS BULSHIT. TURKS IS UNION OF DIFFRENT ETHNIC ORIGIN . TURKS IS LANGUAGE CULTUR AND HISTORICAL CONNECTION NO ETHNIC MY FRIEND.

I NOT HAVE NOTHING AGAIN ARMENIAN IN CRIMEA KARAY TURK AND ARMENIAN LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE. I RECPECT YOU HOSNAK AND THE CONFLICT IS BETWEEN THE GOVERMENTS NO BETWEEN THE SIMLE PEOPLE.

You'd better speak Turkish bro , i did not understand what you meant .

[KHAZARI]

MERHABA KARDESIM MORDOTH SALAM ALEIKUM RAMADAN KARIM

GREETING FROM ISRAEL

I M KARAY TURK LIVE IN ISRAEL MY FAMILY ORIGINALY FROM CRIMEA WE ARE LIVING IN CRIMEA MANY YEARS BEFORE ALTIN ORDA . WE ARE ANCESTORS THE KHAZARS MIGRATE FROM CENTRAL ASIA BEFOR MANY YEARS THEY BELONG TO GOKTURK EMPIRE .

FIRST MY ARMENIAN FRIENDS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MONGOLS THIS VERY FUNNY IN MY OPTION

YOU HAVE IGNORANCE ABOUT GENERALY HISTORY AND TURKISH HISTORY .YOU KNOW ONLY SAY MONGOLS MONGOLS .THIS IS NOT INSULTING THIS FUNNY. BECUES I KNOW THE TRUTH AND I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT TURKS.YOU HAVE HATE AND THIS NO GOOD FOR YOU.

AND ARMENIANS I WANT SAY SOMETHING YOU WIN IN THE IMAGINARY WORLD, IN INTERNAT.ALL THE FORUMS FULL IN YOUR COMMENTS BUT IN REALITY YOU LOSE..YOU ALWAYS LOSE TO THE TURKS AND IN FUTUR YOU LOSE US.

THE EUROPEAN SUPPORT YOU NO BECUES THEY LIKE YOU ONLY BECUSE THEY DONT LIKE MUSLIMS.

NEVER NOT WAS GENOCIDE AGAIN ARMENIAN YOU SUPPORT TO RUSSIANS AND YOU TAKE THE CONSEQENCES .DONT CRY LIKE BABY ABOUT MISTAKE WHO YOU MAKE LIKE MAN .

[Mordoth]

MERHABA KARDESIM MORDOTH SALAM ALEIKUM RAMADAN KARIM

GREETING FROM ISRAEL

I M KARAY TURK LIVE IN ISRAEL MY FAMILY ORIGINALY FROM CRIMEA WE ARE LIVING IN CRIMEA MANY YEARS BEFORE ALTIN ORDA . WE ARE ANCESTORS THE KHAZARS MIGRATE FROM CENTRAL ASIA BEFOR MANY YEARS THEY BELONG TO GOKTURK EMPIRE .

FIRST MY ARMENIAN FRIENDS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MONGOLS THIS VERY FUNNY IN MY OPTION

YOU HAVE IGNORANCE ABOUT GENERALY HISTORY AND TURKISH HISTORY .YOU KNOW ONLY SAY MONGOLS MONGOLS .THIS IS NOT INSULTING THIS FUNNY. BECUES I KNOW THE TRUTH AND I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT TURKS.YOU HAVE HATE AND THIS NO GOOD FOR YOU.

AND ARMENIANS I WANT SAY SOMETHING YOU WIN IN THE IMAGINARY WORLD, IN INTERNAT.ALL THE FORUMS FULL IN YOUR COMMENTS BUT IN REALITY YOU LOSE..YOU ALWAYS LOSE TO THE TURKS AND IN FUTUR YOU LOSE US.

THE EUROPEAN SUPPORT YOU NO BECUES THEY LIKE YOU ONLY BECUSE THEY DONT LIKE MUSLIMS.

NEVER NOT WAS GENOCIDE AGAIN ARMENIAN YOU SUPPORT TO RUSSIANS AND YOU TAKE THE CONSEQENCES .DONT CRY LIKE BABY ABOUT MISTAKE WHO YOU MAKE LIKE MAN .

Yea , bro , i hope i now got you properly. Ramadan Karim to you too

Well , Mongol is not a word to name a nation , it named a community. We do not know many about Mongolian history because no written document is found which is also bad

But do not get the word " Mongol Turk " as an insult, do not forget that the alienoid who think that insult you by that word , is something to be proud of . ( When Armos call me like that , being a Mongol is not something bad, and i see Mongolians as my brothers and relatives )

Consequences of Serbian ,Armenian , Greek , Arabic , Persian, Kurdish and such sub-humanic peopleS' revolts have all been catastrophically same . LoL , it is because of their stupidity. Mongols (!) vansquashed their armies and bunched their troops one by one

Good to see you KARDAS.

[Hosank]

khazari

we do not call you mongol to insult you, we call you mongol, because your turkish 'brothers' such as mordoth, and prot, and all those other guys, take pride in mongolic ancestry..we are only honouring their pride.

meanwhile, if you are caucasian, you are not turks, you just happen to speak turkish, and so on, turks come from ancienst turkestan, as any of your turkish friends on this forum will say (ask mordy, i learned this from him). just like many people within anatolia, who have pretty much 99% armenian or greek genes, and think they are turks. there is a difference between identity, and racial makeup.
turk is not only a cultural fact, turk is also a race, which you say you don't even belong to.

i never said that armenians and cremian tatars are enemies. some people cannot get passed the facts that armenians do not hate turks, for the simple fact of their turkishness, armenians are not at war with every turk on this planet, we have nothing against crimian tatars. we are only pissed off at turkey for what it has done to our people, and it's continuous policy of denial, and the propaganda it feeds to it's citizens (mordoth) of denial. khazari, make no mistake, the genocide did happen, just look around on the forum, such as the many genocide discussion pages on the armenia thread.

i only put the picture of the monastary to show that the crimea doesn't only belong to the minority turkic people, but armenians aswell have had an extended presence on the penincula for about as long as your ancestors, as have pontic greeks, germans, and so on...

forums are not about winning or losing in the imaginary world. some people both turks and armenians, use it to throw hateful speech at eachother, others, like me, use it to make accurate arguments, proving historical facts with real documents of any sort, basically, the idea is to reach a state where the argument is purely accademic, and not just i hate turk, i hate armenian speech.

i mean, all you have to do is read mordoths last comment, where he is praising to you the barbaric acts of mongols over other peoples, calling them subhuman and what not.

Ramadan Karim to you too

lol modoth, i thought you gave up islam...arn't you an athiest? or a turkist? or into prehistoric turkic pagean worship these days?

[KHAZARI]

FIRST I WANT TO SAY ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IS HUMAN BEING. I NOT RACIST I NO HATE NOBODY. I HAVE RESPECT TO OTHER CULTURS RELIGIONS AND RACES. I BELIEVE WHO HAVE SOME BAD TURKS AND GOOD ARMENIANS.THE RACE NO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME.

IM JEWISH IN MY RELIGION, MY ANCESTORES CHANGE THE RELIGION TO JUDAISM. WE ARE NO JEWISH ETHNICLY BUT TURKS. 'YES I NO MONGOLIAN I NO HAVE SLANTING EYES. BUT THE ANTHROPOLOGY TO CONFIRMATION WHO WE ARE DIRECTLY DESCENDANTS OF KHAZARS. DNA INVESTIGATION PROVED THIS.

IN HISTORICAL SOURCES FROM MIDDLE AGE IN TIME OF KHAZAR KHAGANAT ARABIAN HISTORIANS WHO VISIT IN ATIL THE CAPITAL OF KHAZAR KHAGANAT THE KHAZAR DESCRIBED AS CAUCASOID. THE HISTORIAN AL-ISTAJHRI VISIT IN KHAZAR KHAGANAT.ALL THE RELIGIONS AND THE NATIONS WAS HAVING EGUAL RIGHTS.MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS LIVING TOGETHER IN PEACE.

MORDOTH KARDESIM I WANT ASK YOU WHAT IS ATATURK OPINION ABOUT ORIGIN OF THE TURKS

TESEKUR EDERIM

[Hosank]

FIRST I WANT TO SAY ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IS HUMAN BEING.

right, no one ever denied that.

and do not get me wrong i believe you when you say you are descendants from these people, however, the gene seems to have been so corrupted by the native caucasians, that your link to these turkic peoples is very small today, since you have totally morphed your physical appearance.

jewish turk, i heard of this before.

[KHAZARI]

NO MY FRIEND, ANTROPOLOGY RESEARCH SHOW WHO WE ARE DIRECTLY DESCENDANT OF KHAZAR PEOPLE. THE RUSSIAN SCHOLARS CLAIN WHO KHAZAR PEOPLE ARE CAUCASOID ETHNICLY.

IF YOU READ THE BOOK "THE EARLY EMPIRES OF CENTRAL ASIA" BY WILLIAM MONTGOMERY MCGOVEM YOU BE KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ORIGIN OF THE TURKS.

IN ASIA NOT LIVING ONLY MONGOLOID PEOPLE BUT ALSO CAUCASOID . INDIA VERY CLOSE TO CHINE BUT THE INDIAN ARE CAUCASOID TYPE. THE REGION BETWEEN IRAN TO CHINA WAS IN PAST POPULATED IN IRANIC PEOPLE. ALTAY REGION BE FOUND IN CENTRAL ASIA, THE MONGOLOID PEOPLE COME ORIGINALY FROM EAST ASIA.

THE MONGOLS ARE PRIMITIVE AND THE LEARN LATER FROM THE TURKS HOW TO DOMESTICATION HORSES.THE MONGOLS NOT HAVE CULTUR THEY NOT HAVE EVEN SCRIP UNTIL CENGIZ KHAN TIME
WHO TO ADOPTION TURKISH SCRIP. THE MONGOL NOT HAVE CULTUR ALL THEIR STOLEN FROM THE TURKS. MANY FROM THEY ADOPTION TURKISH IDENTITY AND TURKIFELD.TURKS NOT HAVE MONGOLOID GENES ORIGINALY ONLY FROM MIXED MARRIAGE.

WE ARE MIGRATE FROM CENTRAL ASIA BEFORE 2000 YEARS AROUND BECUAS THIS WE ARE KEEP WE ARE CAUCASOID CHARACTERISTIC.

CENGIZ KHAN NOT WAS TURK HIM MONGOLIAN THEY NOT CALL HIMSELLF TURK. HIM INVAD TO CAUCAS REGION AND DESTRYED KHAZAR CITY LIKE SAMANDAR IN DEGESTAN AREA TODEY HIM KILEED MANY KHAZART PEOPLE AND SALE THE AS SLAVE.WE ARE IN CRIMEA SERVIVE. I HATE CENGIZ KHAN MORE FROM YOU HOSANK BELIVE ME. THE MONGOLS IS NEVER WAS MY BROTHERS.WE ARE NOT BARBARIANS YOU CAN TO CHECK THE KHAZAR HISTORY WE ARE VERY ENLIGHTENED PEOPLE IN OUR KINGDOM ALL THE RELIGION AND THE ETHNIC GRUPS WAS EQUAL RIGHT.AND THE WOMEN WAS EQUAL RIGHT TO MENS 1000 YEARS BEFOR THE EUROPEAN CUNTRYS.EVEN WOMEN TO LEAD KHAZAR ARMY AND WAS KHAGAN WOMEN.

WE ARE NO BARBARIAN THIS TIME WAS VERY HARD AND THIS WAS ESSENTIAL TO SERVIVE BUT THE REAL BARBARIAN THIS THE COLONIAL CUNTRY LIKE BRITAIN THE EUROPEAN COME TO EGYPT END TO PILLAGE ANCIENT TOMB STOLE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN STUFF FOR PROFIT AND TO TO DESPISE TO EGYPTIAN AS A INFERIOR NATIVE. NAPOLION SOLDIER TO SHOOT SHELL ON SPINCS NOSE AS SHOOTING RANGE.

AMERICA NOT ATTAC IRAQ BECAUS TERRORIST ONLY BECAUS AMERICA WANT THER OIL.THI IS TYPICAL EUROPEAN COVETOUSNESS . THE AMERICAN NOT CARE ABOUT IRAQI PEOPLE THEY NOT LOVE IRAQI PEOPLE THY LOVE THE IRAQI PIL.THE AMERICAN TO EXECUTION GENOCIDE AGAIN NATIVE AMERICAN WHY YOU NOT CALL THE AMERICAN BARBARIAN?

DONT BE HYPOCRISY IF YOU CALL THE TURKS TO REGRESSION FROM TURKIYE YOU MUST CALL THE AMERICAN TO REGRESSION FROM AMERICA AND TO RETURN AMERICA TO AMERICAN NATIVE.

[Mordoth]

MORDOTH KARDESIM I WANT ASK YOU WHAT IS ATATURK OPINION ABOUT ORIGIN OF THE TURKS

TESEKUR EDERIM

Well , you would better search the origin of Turkish flag that is crescent-star surrounded by red color .

Symbol Crescent-Star used in Gokturk currencies and originated from ancient Egyptian - Sumerian civilization manuscripts.

We are probably related to Sumerians, who were crushed by Gutian-Macedonians and forced to exile from Mesopotamia to Central Asian steppes. You 'd better watch the video from the thread "Turkish Pyramides" placed below.

ATATURK says : " I am no different than any other person around here. The unique thing that makes me superior is my Turkishness ."

We can discuss our origins better by comparing the products obtained by archeologic excavations. ( As you see , GokTurk coins and Egyptian symbols are correlated )

[HayArsen]

ATATURK says : " I am no different than any other person around here. The unique thing that makes me superior is my Turkishness ."

Was he as stupid as you mordoth?

[irlandahay]

Was he as stupid as you mordoth?

I dont know if thats humanly possible... maybe hes ALMOST as stupid but not AS stupid.
its a hard thing to accomplish mordoth, I would be proud of my "superior" intelect if I were you.

now mordoth
Have a very special day, for a very special little boy

[Hosank]

lol mordoth, it seems that the origin of the turk has changed many times with you...
and, i find that to be an interesting comment from big dady turk, because.....he was ethnically greek and macedonian, not turkish at all...


khazari, your point is taken, however..
central asians are not caucasoid. indians are not caucasoid. when you say caucasoid, you directly refer to people of european appearance. true the indians are related though from far to europeans, but that is why we put them in a larger group called indo-europeans.
however, i doubt that indian genetic influence has gone as far north as the central asian countries. or at least enough to make a difference.

now, certainly, modern khazars are caucasian, but that is because of centuries of blending with the local european populations.

so ok, you are turks, but european none the less, just like the turks of turkey today, it is estimated that some 30% of them are actually full blooded turks.

[KHAZARI]

ACTUALLY THE ORIGIN OF THE TURKS OBJECT TO DEBATE NOT HAVE AGREEMENT IN THIS TOPIC.

SOME BELIVE WHO TURKS CAUCASIAN AND SOME BELIVE WHO TURKS ARE MONGOLS. BUT YOU MUST TO LEARN STEPPE HISTORY BEFURE YOU SAY NONSENSE.

TURKS AND MONGOLIAN ORIGINALY ARE DIFFERENT. ONLY BECAUSE THE MODERN CENTRAL ASIAN LOOK MONGOLS THIS NOT MANDATORY WHO THE ANCIENT TURKS LOOK LIKE THAT.

THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY MOSTLY ARABIC BUT BEFURE 3000 YEARS THE MIDDLE EAST WAS DIFFERENT

THE MIDDLE EAST CHANGE AXACTLY LIKE WHO CENTRAL ASIA CHANGE . TURKS NO MONGOLS THIS THE END, IF YOU WANT BELIVE IF YOU WANT DONT BELIVE I DONT CARE.

NOT HAVE PROVED WHO ANCIENT TURKS ARE MONGOLS.ALL THE PEOPLE CHANGE IN THEIR HISTORY

ESPECIALLY NOMADS. THE CENTRAL ASIAN PEOPLE ARE HEAVILY MIXING. AXACTLY LIKE WHO TURKIYE TURKS MIXING. THE RACE NO WAS IMPORTANT TO TURKS AND THEY TO MIXING IN ALL THE WORLD.CENTRAL ASIAN TURKS NO PURE TURKS .NOT HAVE PURE TURKS. THE TURKS NO WAS RACIST ABD MIX WITHE MANY PEOPLE IN THEIR HISTORY TODAY ALL THE TURKS BEGAN TALK ABOUT RACE.....

NOT HAVE TURKISH RACE AND NEVER EXIST.

[Hosank]

you don't have to talk in caps all the time.

and how could turks possibly be caucasian if there were never any substancial groups of caucasians in central asia to begin with.
there were however groups of hellens called the Yuezhi who had settled in modern uzbekistan. archives quite clearly show that turkic paintings showed them as white people (as opposed to themselves, which clearly means that the people of central asia were not themselves caucasian at all)

i am not saying that turks are mongols, but i am saying that the turks are related to the mongol (at least the original turks)
obviously, over the years

the people of the middle east were almost all semetic anyways, the arabs are semites too, so it's not like it changed that much.

[KHAZARI]

ACTUALLY THE WORD SEMITIC IS ONLY TO DESCRIPTION LANGUAGE NOT RACE TODAY. THE NORTH AFRICAN(MAGREBׂ) IS MOSTLY BERBERIAN DESCENT OR MIXED WITH ARAB . THE BERBERS IS NORTH AFRICAN NATIVE THE ARAB MIGRATE FROM PENINSULA ARABIA 1500 YEARS AGO. THE BERBERS NOT ARABS.

AND MY PERENTS BORN IN EGYPT I CAN TELL YOU IN EGYPT LIVING COPTIC CHRISTIAN THEY NOT ARAB THE FROM ANCIENT EGYPTIAN DESCENT AND THE FALAHIN (RUSTICS) IS DESCENDANTS OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN WHO BE MUSLIMS UNDER ARABIAN CONQUEST IN 7 CENTURY. MANY FROM THEY VERY PROUD IN THEY ANCIENT EGYPT ORIGIN.

TAKHKI ARABI YA HABIBI?

MY FAMILY MIGRATE FROM CRIMEA IN 19 CENTURY THEY MOVE TO ISTANBUL IN END THE 19 CENTURY THEY MOVE TO EGYPT CAIRO IN 1970 WE MIGRATE TO ISRAEL. SO I KNOW ALOT ABOUT EGYPT AND EGYPTIAN HISTORY.IN EGYPT LIVING ALSO ARMENIAN.......

[KHAZARI]

AND THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN NOT WAS ARABIAN OR SEMITIC.......

[Hosank]

TAKHKI ARABI YA HABIBI?

aywa

the copts are not arabs, and they are the descendants of the ancient egyptians. that is true, however, the ancient egyptians were also one of the semetic peoples, so were the berbers.

my point is that the semetic arabs invaded other semetic peoples (Assyrians, pheonecians, copts, berbers, hebrews and so on)

and yes there are armenians in egypt, infact, the first prime minister of egypt, nubar pasha was actually armenian, however most of the armenians have left egypt and moved to the us and canada. there are still 10 000 armenians there i think

[Mordoth]

ACTUALLY THE ORIGIN OF THE TURKS OBJECT TO DEBATE NOT HAVE AGREEMENT IN THIS TOPIC.

SOME BELIVE WHO TURKS CAUCASIAN AND SOME BELIVE WHO TURKS ARE MONGOLS. BUT YOU MUST TO LEARN STEPPE HISTORY BEFURE YOU SAY NONSENSE.

TURKS AND MONGOLIAN ORIGINALY ARE DIFFERENT. ONLY BECAUSE THE MODERN CENTRAL ASIAN LOOK MONGOLS THIS NOT MANDATORY WHO THE ANCIENT TURKS LOOK LIKE THAT.

THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY MOSTLY ARABIC BUT BEFURE 3000 YEARS THE MIDDLE EAST WAS DIFFERENT

THE MIDDLE EAST CHANGE AXACTLY LIKE WHO CENTRAL ASIA CHANGE . TURKS NO MONGOLS THIS THE END, IF YOU WANT BELIVE IF YOU WANT DONT BELIVE I DONT CARE.

NOT HAVE PROVED WHO ANCIENT TURKS ARE MONGOLS.ALL THE PEOPLE CHANGE IN THEIR HISTORY

ESPECIALLY NOMADS. THE CENTRAL ASIAN PEOPLE ARE HEAVILY MIXING. AXACTLY LIKE WHO TURKIYE TURKS MIXING. THE RACE NO WAS IMPORTANT TO TURKS AND THEY TO MIXING IN ALL THE WORLD.CENTRAL ASIAN TURKS NO PURE TURKS .NOT HAVE PURE TURKS. THE TURKS NO WAS RACIST ABD MIX WITHE MANY PEOPLE IN THEIR HISTORY TODAY ALL THE TURKS BEGAN TALK ABOUT RACE.....

NOT HAVE TURKISH RACE AND NEVER EXIST.

1 - According to racial interactions, we can be considered as dominantly MONGOLOID and part Caucasoid.
Mongols have completely different life style of their own and rituals seems more paganist rather than Tengrist .
Such that the savior of Modern Day Mongolia from the clutches of Rus-Jew-Chinese was Ungern von Stenberg ,the Estonian Turanist was a SHAMANIST. ( Some Shamans still told to be speaking with his soul )

2- You are wrong about the presence of Turkish race . Modern day investigations , researches on " DNA sequences " proved that Anatolian people basically have got the Haplo group in their genes ,that signifies the TURANIC race. ( We are 100 % Huns ) However ,as you said Anatolia was an Imperial territory and mixings of some people might occur ,but that could be really considered as a negligable rate. (especially the polygamic Turkish men)

3- 3000 Years ago ,there was a Sumerian community who found a huge civilization in Mesopotamia, and they were speaking Uralic Turanian language . So that we can see many similarities between Turkish and Sumerian. ( A 3200 Y/o Central Asian tomb was found in Northeastern Anatolia , did you know this )

[KHAZARI]

1 - According to racial interactions, we can be considered as dominantly MONGOLOID and part Caucasoid.
Mongols have completely different life style of their own and rituals seems more paganist rather than Tengrist .
Such that the savior of Modern Day Mongolia from the clutches of Rus-Jew-Chinese was Ungern von Stenberg ,the Estonian Turanist was a SHAMANIST. ( Some Shamans still told to be speaking with his soul )

2- You are wrong about the presence of Turkish race . Modern day investigations , researches on " DNA sequences " proved that Anatolian people basically have got the Haplo group in their genes ,that signifies the TURANIC race. ( We are 100 % Huns ) However ,as you said Anatolia was an Imperial territory and mixings of some people might occur ,but that could be really considered as a negligable rate. (especially the polygamic Turkish men)

3- 3000 Years ago ,there was a Sumerian community who found a huge civilization in Mesopotamia, and they were speaking Uralic Turanian language . So that we can see many similarities between Turkish and Sumerian. ( A 3200 Y/o Central Asian tomb was found in Northeastern Anatolia , did you know this )

THANKS ABOUT THE INFORMATION KARDES

[KHAZARI]

HOSANK MIN FEN ENTA?
WA MIN FEN TITKALAM ARABI?

[Hosank]

According to racial interactions, we can be considered as dominantly MONGOLOID and part Caucasoid.

mordoth, who are we trying to kid here? in your case, you can be considered 90% european and maybe, what 5% possibly turkish? i still don't understand why you insist in claiming racial heritage from a group you clearly don't belong to. anyways, it is proven that only 30% of turks of modern turkey are actually of full turkic descent.

also. most 'tatars' of ukraine, poland, the crimea, gauguzia and west of the russian volga river are blond and white, as they are quite a deal more slavic than they are turkic. all they have incommon with you is their language, which is their only remnant from the turkic invasions.

second, you cannot just refer to a 'research' without naming which research, the people involved in it, the sample that was studied, the results and all that. because i can just say "oh, there was a research that proved that all the people of the world are actually descendants of the armenians", and if i don't support it, it means nothing. because quite frankly, this DNA test of yours seems bullocks.

but that could be really considered as a negligable rate. (especially the polygamic Turkish men)

this argument conterdicts itself. because, exactly, if men were polligamous, and it is known that they would go for christians, that means, they would, have many children, with many european wives, so on the contrary, it would not be negligable, but quite vivid.
and you yourself are a living example of this 'negligable' influence on turkish genetics. you yourself say you are a 'blondie'.

mordoth, for the millionth time, the hittites and the summerians are NOT turkic.
so once more, i will show you

The Sumerians were a non-Semitic people and were at one time believed to have been invaders, as a number of linguists believed they could detect a substrate language beneath Sumerian. However, the archaeological record shows clear uninterrupted cultural continuity from the time of the Early Ubaid period (5200-4500 BC C-14, 6090-5429 BC calBC) settlements in southern Mesopotamia. The Sumerian people who settled here farmed the lands in this region that were made fertile by silt deposited by the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers. The Sumerians were probably a Caucasoid people

about the hittites

The Hittite language (or Nesite) is recorded fragmentarily from about the 19th century BC (in the Kultepe texts, see Ishara). It remained in use until about 1100 BC. Hittite is the best attested member of the Anatolian branch of the Indo-European language family. Due to marked differences in its structure and phonology some early philologists, most notably Warren Cowgill even argued that it should be classified as a sister language to the Indo-European languages, rather than a daughter language (see Indo-Hittite). By the end of the Hittite Empire, the Hittite language had become a written language of administration and diplomatic correspondence. The population of most of the Hittite Empire by this time spoke Luwian dialects, another Indo-European language of the Anatolian family that had originated to the West of the Hittite region.

they were part of the anatolian peoples who were basically indo european aryans. so lets not kid ourselves.



KHazari, you don't have to believe everything this guys says, he needs to say anything to justify his turkishness, because he has an identity complexe, he cannot fit in with other turks, for he is barely a turk himself, and he knows this. that is why he needs to prove that the blond hittites were turks and all that. he reminds me of an azeri i knew, who was actually half ukrainian (something he didn't mention till after) and he wanted to prove to me that the azeris are actually a european people (since he was blond) , get it? he wanted to show that he fit in with the people of his country.

A 3200 Y/o Central Asian tomb was found in Northeastern Anatolia , did you know this

was this tomb found by the same turkish government employees that have been destroying newly found armenian and Assyrian mass grave sites dating from 1915?
also, they have found thousand year old viking grave sites in newfoundland, does that mean that the american indians are actually vikings?

HOSANK MIN FEN ENTA?
WA MIN FEN TITKALAM ARABI?

emmi waldane fi surya, ba3d el daba7 el arman
im in canada though.

[Mordoth]

[Mordoth]

mordoth, who are we trying to kid here? in your case, you can be considered 90% european and maybe, what 5% possibly turkish? i still don't understand why you insist in claiming racial heritage from a group you clearly don't belong to. anyways, it is proven that only 30% of turks of modern turkey are actually of full turkic descent.

LoL ,30% ?
I 've put the racial article in Bati Trakya thread that was showing all the Anatolian Turks are 100% HUNs.
( Who proved your 30% ? Sarkissian , Boacijan , Ekmekcijan or what ? )

also. most 'tatars' of ukraine, poland, the crimea, gauguzia and west of the russian volga river are blond and white, as they are quite a deal more slavic than they are turkic. all they have incommon with you is their language, which is their only remnant from the turkic invasions.

LoL , you consider all blondies as non-Turks ? Hihi , Finns- Udmurts and Komis (dwellers of north Baskurtistan) are all BLONDs , Pechenegs are all blonds as me.
Sight is NOTHING, since the person says that " I AM A TURK " . And i won't call a pure Turkish guy/lady ,who denies his/her identity , as TURK.

second, you cannot just refer to a 'research' without naming which research, the people involved in it, the sample that was studied, the results and all that. because i can just say "oh, there was a research that proved that all the people of the world are actually descendants of the armenians", and if i don't support it, it means nothing. because quite frankly, this DNA test of yours seems bullocks.
this argument conterdicts itself. because, exactly, if men were polligamous, and it is known that they would go for christians, that means, they would, have many children, with many european wives, so on the contrary, it would not be negligable, but quite vivid.
and you yourself are a living example of this 'negligable' influence on turkish genetics. you yourself say you are a 'blondie'.

We named the research and the samples are demonstrated properly.
( IT is your way that you say " Boaicijan said that ... , a research ( nameless, unknown , biased ) bla bla" it is you that never identify it )

You think as if all Turkish guys marry at least 1 christian lady. We are 100 % HUNs, any objections ?

mordoth, for the millionth time, the hittites and the summerians are NOT turkic.
so once more, i will show you
about the hittites
they were part of the anatolian peoples who were basically indo european aryans. so lets not kid ourselves.

You say in a way that you want it to be. in armonoid profit - even it is a FACT that you are not Armenian .
( You can send any proofs of Boajian or kirkor Pastermadjian...etc and i will send you one FINNISH PROFESSOR's investigations that SUMERIAN was an URALIC TURANIAN language )

[KHAZARI]

YES MORDOTH I AGREE WITH YOU WHO ANATOLIAN TURKS ARE REAL TURKS.PEOPLE TO EXAGGERATE IN RATE THE MIXED MARRIAGE OF ANATOLIAN TURKS.TO ANATOLIA MIGRATE MANY KHAZAR TURKS AFTER WHO THE KHAZAR KHAGANAT TO DISAPPEAR .

AND YES, HAVE TESTIMONY WHO SUMMERIAN LANGUAGE AND TURKISH AND URALIC LANGUAGE ARE RELATED. I BELIVE WHO ANCIENT TURKS ARE DESCENDED FROM THE SUMMERIAN. AND THIS PROVED WHO TURKS ARE CAUCASOID BECAUSE THE SUMMERIAN ARE NATIVE OF MESSOPOTEMIA.

AND HOSANK YOU ALWAIS TRY TO SEPARATING US AND TO FOMENT A QUARREL BETWEEN THE OTHER TURKISH TRIBES AND TURKIYE TURKS. AND YES I CALL MYSELF TURKISH AND NOT TURKIC I DONT LIKE THIS WORD THIS ARTIFICIAL SEPARATING BETWEEN MY TURKISH BROTHERS AND MY.

THIS CHEAP PROPAGANDA YOU SEE WHO THIS NOT WORKING.YOU SPEND YOUR TIME.

I RESPECT MY TURKISH BROTHERS I LOVE TURKIYE AND TURKISH PEOPLE. AND I VERY RESPECTING OUR GREAT LEADER KEMAL MUSTAFA ATATURK.HIM NO ONLY FATHER OF TURKIYE HIM FATHER OF ALL PERSON WHO CALL HIMSELF TURK.AND ATATURK HIM THE GREAT TURKISH LEADER OF ALL THE TIME.

[Hosank]

khazari..

if you want to call yourself turkish...go for it. who am i to stop you from reuniting with your brothers? lool

i find it is getting pointless to argue with you guys.
i mean, you guys would not see proof if it slapped you in the face. i showed you an essay about the summarian language, saying that it was a persian language, and you guys just seem to pretend i never wrote it, and still think it's turkic.

now you are saying that turks are caucasoid, before modordoth said turks were central asian...(btw, mesapotamians are not caucasoid)...so if i follow your every crazier theories on the turk, we can argue that there is no such thing as a turk, because it has such a broad meaning. a mongol looking kazak is a turk, a blond white blue eyed guy is a turk, a black man is a turk...every language is related to the turks...

i mean, you guys do not take this seriously, you just want to believe in a myth.

if so..then why are you here debating reality, when you are living in some turranic dream?

btw, mordoth, i wanted to ask why georgia is in grey on your map, and armenia in black

[KHAZARI]

HOSANK...... I NOT FANATIC PANTURKIST AND I NOT PANTURANIST.... IM RATIONALIST I NOT BELIVE WHO ISLAM KARIMOV OR NURSULTAN NEZERBAYEV UNITE WHITH TURKIYE AND TO ACCEPT ORDER FROM ANKARA. THIS IS MEGALOMANIAN LEADERS WITH EGO .

ALSO GAMAL ABD EL NASEL TRY TO BUILDING ARAB EMPIRE IN 1958 EGYPT AND SYRIA TO UNITE GAMAL TRY TO DO REVOLUTION IN YEMEN AND TO FAIL. 3 YEAR LATER IN 1961 THE UNITE WITH SYRIA BROKEN UP.

FANATIC IN DANGER.....AND ATATURK SAY WHO HIM LEARN FROM THE MISTAKE OF OTTOMAN EMPIRE

BUT TURKIC PARLIAMANT WITH REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TURKIC WORLD THIS VERY NICE. IN TURKIC WORLD HAVE MANY PROBLEMS LIKE KIBRIS OR KARABAKH AND IF ALL THE TURKIC COUNTRYS AND COMMUNITIS TO WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLUTION THIS PROBLEM IS VERY GOOD.

FIRST ALL THE TURKIC COUNTRIES SHOULD TO RECOGNIZE IN NORTHEN CYPRUS AS COUNTRY .

AND HOSANK...NOT HAVE ONE TURKIC TRIBE WHO HAVE FULL MONGOLOID GENE.EVEN THE KAZAKH HAVE 86 PERCENT Y CHROMOSOME MONGOLOID AND THE ORIOTS WHO LIVING IN ALTAY REGION NOT HAVE FULL MONGOLOID GENE THE ANTHROPOLOGS SAY WHO ORIOTS MIXING HEAVLY WITH MONGOLS WITH GENGIZ KHAN TIME.IM CHECK KHAZAR HISTORY AND NEVER FIND DESCRIPTION OF KHAZAR AS MONGOLS THE GREEK PERSIAN ARABS AND BIZANTIAN SOURCE DESCRIPTION THE KHAZAR AS ACAUCASOID. I READ RESEARCHS OF RUSSIAN AND SOVIET SCHOLAR AND THEY TO STUDY SKULL
SHAPE FROM ANCIENT KARAY GRAVEYARD IN DJUFUT KALE0(NEAR TO BAKHCHI SARAY ) AND ANCIENT KHAZAR SKULLS FROM ANCIENT KHAZAR TOMB AND FINE WHO WE AND WE ARE KHAZAR ANCESTORS
SAME.
AFTER WHO KHAZAR TURKS TO ACCEPT JUDAISM THEY KEEP MANY ANCIENT TURKIC TRADITIONS AND NO WAS MIXED MARRIAGE WITH ETHNIC JEWISH. I NO THE FIRST TURK WHO SAY WHO TURKS NO FROM MONGOLIAN RACE...AND NO THE LAST.ALSO ATATURK SAY WHO TURKS ARE CAUCASIAN.