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Language of Azeri People and Pan-Turkism
By: Mohammad Taghi Sbokddel, January 2004


1. Azarbaijan
The name of Azarbaijan has been one of the most renowned geographical names of Iran since 2000 years ago. Azar is the same as "Ashur" which means fire. In Pahlavi inscriptions, Azarbaijan has been mentioned as 'Oturpatekan', while it has been mentioned Azarbayegan and Azarpadegan in Persian writings. It is Azarabadegan in Shah Nameh and Arabs knew it as Azarbijan or Adarbijan.

With regard to the emergence of Azarbaijan, the writing by Strabo, the famous Greek geographer seems to be the most important of all writings.

When the rule of Achaemenid dynasty came to an end, Alexander from Macedonia conquered Iran. A worrier called Otupart rose in Azarbayegan and prevented that land, which was part of the Median empire and was known as 'Lesser Mede' to be captures by Greek worriers. The land was thereafter called Oturpatekan.

Ahmad Kasravi, an Azeri pundit, opined that Oturpat was made up of Otur, meaning Azar or fire and Pat, which was later corroded to Paad and Baad, which meant guard.

In June 1918, the dignitaries of Mosavat (equality) Party, established a government in Caucasus and called it Azerbaijan following suit with policies of Turks. At that time, the naming gave rise to controversies and some even went as far as announcing that, "As if Azerbaijan is a land, which has been divided in two parts; one part lying to the north of Aras river and the other part lying to the south."

The disputes became so hectic that Azarbayegan proper was called 'Southern Azerbaijan' while Aran and Shiravan were called northern Azerbaijan to deceive the Iranian youth.

Mosavat Party whose real name was 'Mosavat Islamic Democratic Party' was established in 1911 in Baku with the goal of unifying Turks in Asia Minor.

Mosavat Party followed the policies of Pan-Turkists and advocated unity of all Turk-speaking people.


2. Language of Azeri people
The language spoken in Azerbaijan is one of the dialects of the Persian language, which was known to us as Azeri tongue.

Ahamd Kasravi has proven that based on evidence, the local language of Azeri people, at least, to the end of Mogul era (middle of the 8th century after Hegira) has been Azeri. After that, during a 150-year interval from the time that Chengiz dynasty became defunct since establishment of Safavids, the Azeri language was gradually replaced by Turkish dialect.

During recent year, Manouchehr Mortazavi, in an article on the ancient language of Azerbaijan, had opined that Azeri has been the language of Azerbaijan people and it has included various dialects.

However, since there has been discrepancies with regard to the original language of Azerbaijan people, the compendium of research results is as follows:

Ibn al-Nadim writes in his book al-Fihrist that the language of Iranian people could be divided in five classes including Pahlavi, Dari, Farsi, Khuzi (language of people in Khuzestan) and Soriani. Relying on what Ibn Muqaffa' said, he opined that Dari was the language of courtiers while Farsi was the language of priests and scientists and the language of people of Fars; Khuzi was the language that kings and dignitaries used in their intimate talks. Soriani was the language of people of Iraq while Pahlavi was spoken by people of Isfahan, Rey, Hamedan, Mah (Mede), Nahavand and Azerbaijan. His writing goes as such:

"Ibn Muqaffa' said: Iranian languages are five: Pahlavi, Dari, Farsi, Khuzi and Soriani. Pahlavi is attributed to Pahleh, which includes five regions of Isfahan, Rey, Hamedan, Mah, Nahavand and Azerbaijan. Dari is the language of cities in Madaen and courts of kings. Dari is eastern. Farsi is the language of priests and scientists. Dari is mostly spoken by people of Khorassan, Balkh and some regions in Fars. Khuzi is spoken by kings and dignitaries, but Soriani is the language of people of Iraq."

Out of the abovementioned languages, only two languages, including Dari, spoken in east Iran including Khorassan, and Pahlavi that was spoken by people in Isfahan, Rey, Hamedan, Nahavand and Azerbaijan are of concern here.

The authors belonging to the first centuries after Hegira have called the language of people of Azerbaijan as 'Azeri Pahlavi' and sometimes 'Azeri' and maintained that the said language was different from the language spoken in east Iran.

However, the difference was not so big as to make them incapable of comprehending what other peoples said. Nasser Khosrow in his itinerary says, "I arrived in Tabriz in 438 A.H.... I saw a poet in Tabriz named Ghetran. He was a good poet, but could not speak Persian correctly. He came to me with poetry books of Manjik and Daqiqi and asked any word that he could not understand..."

I presume that Nasser Khosrow meant Dari Persian which was known to him but some of whose words were not known to Khorassani poet. Marquat??, the famous Iranian scholar has written that, "Pahlavi language is, in fact, the same as Azeri language."

Yagoubi lived in the third century A.H. In his book, al-Boldan, he says the language of Azeri people was "Azeri Pahlavi".

Abu Abdollah Bashari Moqaddasi in his book divides Iran into eight climatic regions noting, "The language of these regions is Persian; however, some of them speak Dari and some complicated; and all those dialects are called Persian."

Masoudi believed that Pahlavi, Dari and Azeri were of the same origin and combination of their works was the same and all of them were considered among Farsi dialects.

Abu Abdollah Mohammad ibn Ahmad Kharazmi, who lived in the fourth century A.H., attributes Persian language to people of Fars and the language of priests and believes that Dari was the language of courtiers. With regard to Pahlavi language, he writes:

"Pahlavi is one of the Iranian languages used by kings. The work has been attributed to Pahleh, which encompasses five lands: Isfahan, Rey, Hamedan, Nahavand and Azerbaijan."

Estakhri says in his book, al-Masalek and al-Mamalek that the language of people of Azerbaijan is Arabic and Persian.

I believe that despite its tremendous pressure, Arabic could not overwhelm Persian and was rejected first in Khorassan and then in other parts of Iran.

Eranski??, the famous Russian scholar writes: "After pushing Arabic back in Khorassan and other regions, Persian did the same in other areas."

Two factors were influential in this regard. Firstly, Arabs were controlling a wide empire from Sir Darya River to Spain and their dominance in Iran was not so much as to be able to overwhelm the Iranian element. Secondly, the conflict between Iranians and Arabs, especially in political, military and literary fields was intense.

Ibn Hauqal writes, "The language of people of Azerbaijan and most people of Arminiyeh is Persian and Arabic if rife too. There are few merchants and landlords that speak Persian and who don't know Arabic."

Two points are worthy of mention: Firstly, the language of Azerbaijan people was Persian. Secondly, Arabic was not common among villages and lay people and only part of people knew it.

Ibn Hauqal says the languages spoken by people of Armenia and Aran were part of Persian. He writes, "Some tribes from Armenia and the like speak languages that are like Armenian. The same is true about people in Dabil and Nahvi (Nakhichevan). The language of Barza'eh people is Arani and the mountain known as Caucasus is theirs around which heathens with various languages live."

Yaghout Hemavi, who lived in the sixth and seventh century A.H. says with regard to the language of Azeris, "They speak a language called Azeri and nobody can understand it but themselves."

There were many dialects in Persia that were not intelligible to anybody but those who spoke them. One of them was the dialect of Talesh people in Gilan, which is unintelligible to people from other regions.

Hamdollah Mostofi, who lived in the seventh and eighth centuries A.H., refers to language of people of Maragheh and writes, "Their language is altered Pahlavi."

With regard to people of Talesh and their language, he writes, "People there are white and follow the religion of Imam Shafei. Their language is Pahlavi with Jilani dialect," he noted.

Homam Tabrizi, the renowned poet of Azerbaijan who lived in the 7th and 8th centuries A.H. has written many poems in Azeri Pahlavi.

Ezzoddin Adel ibn Yousof Tabrizi, who lived during 8th and 9th centuries A.H. has also written poems in Azeri dialect of Pahlavi.

There is no sign of Turkish words in those poems.

Undoubtedly, the dialect of Azeri Pahlavi was spoken in Azerbaijan until the advent of Safavid period, but it became obsolete in villages and cities since the middle of the Safavid period and only remained in hard-to-pass regions.

After this introduction, it is clear that if some try through sophistication to prove that Azerbaijan has been inhabited by Turks from old times, and it was only afterwards that some Aryans speaking Iranian languages conquered there accidentally, their claims would be nothing but purposeful lies.

Now it has become evident that the Turkish language rife in Azerbaijan, has been the language of what people from the start and how it has been imposed on people living there. It is ridiculous that some people consider it as the mother tongue of Azeri people and invite the people to replace it for the official Persian language. It is obvious that no learned people will get themselves down to forsake the language of Firdawsi, Sa'adi, Mowlavi and Hafiz and trade it for the faulty, backward language that was brought in by the marauding Turkmans. This is a foreign language that did not belong to the language of Iranian ancestors and was imposed on them.

The zealous people of Azerbaijan know these facts and will never follow a group of gullible guys who are stooges of other people.

We hope to prevent this vice to happen to people of Azerbaijan and we are sure than they know better than anybody else the main purpose of those who try to propagate it. We are sure that the Truth will always overcome Vice and demonstrate its power.


3. Pan-Turkism
Pan-Turkism movements reverberated in Baku since many years ago, or exactly since 1908, when young Turks seized power in Istanbul. During those years the putsch carried out by Unity and Progress Committee ended despotic rule of Sultan Abdolhamid and Turkist tendencies substituted Islamic school of thought.

The vanguards of Pan-Turkism stemmed from Turk peoples in the Russian empire that were in turn influenced by Pan-Slavism, which were formed in Russia during 19th century. In 1904, Yousof Anghchur Oghlu, a Tartar from Russia, which was later known as Yousof Aghchur, published a treatise titled, "Three Methods of Politics", which gradually gained importance as the manifest of Pan-Turkism.

During World War I, Pan-Turkist activities in Baku, which was dominated by Tsars of Russia, was limited to publication of periodicals. What is the main purpose of such periodicals as Yeni Foyouzat (New Bounties) and Shalaleh that while loyal to Tsars had made refining Turkish language in Caucasus their main objective and now laud Pan-Turkism and its worse alternative Pan-Turanism?

The theorists of Pan-Turkism believe that all ethnic groups and nationalities from Eastern Europe to Great Wall of China, which enjoy language, religious and traditional commonalties are, in fact, a single nation and should come together as a big nation and fulfill their historical mission in the face of other big civilizations such as European, Arab, Indian and Chinese civilizations. Their views, however, cannot be supported by scientific realities. Most great nations are made up of a single dominant race or, at least, ethnic variation of that race. An example is the United States of America, that while not older than two and a half centuries, is mainly made up of people from Anglo-Saxon or German stock. In the same way, people in Canada, Australia and New Zealand mainly hail from north or south European origin.

Pan-Turks claim that all people from beyond the straits to the end of Central Asia, ... are peoples from a single large nation, which have been divided due to historical injustice and their historical duty is to come together under a single flag.

They produce several reasons, the most important of which is the common language. They claim that all those languages were originally a single language that were later changed due to unfavorable conditions.

This claim is quite baseless, because those various languages could be divided in several categories:

1. Tribes known as Turks were serving Samanid kings in Central Asia during the 2nd and 3rd centuries A.H. and then they accepted Islam and began serving Abbasid caliphs and then established Ghaznavid dynasty and ruled Afghanistan and half of Iran.

2. Oghuz or Ghoz tribes invaded Iran from Central Asia and in addition go Ghaznavid, they did away with such Iranian dynasties as Al-e Bouyeh and Al-e Ziar and established Seljuk government, which in addition to the whole Iranian plateau ruled Asia Minor and Iraq, Arabs and the current day's Syria up to Mediterranean and even conquered Baghdad and made the Abbasid caliphs their stooge.

3. Mogul tribes, led by Chengiz invaded the whole Iran, Asia Minor and the Arabian Iraq and established the rule of Mogul ilkhans.

4. Tartar tribes first conquered the northern parts of the Central Asia and northern coasts of the Caspian Sea and then bolstered their forces under the command of Teimur and attacked Iran, Iraq and Caucasus to establish Gurkani government.

Therefore, the claims that all the above peoples were of a single origin, that is the land referred to as Turan, is baseless.

Pan-Turks go as far as introducing Mohammad Hossein Shahriar, the famous Iranian poet as follower of Turkish poets. Even if they gather a number of Azeris educated in Istanbul or Ankara, under 'Urmia Conference' and call for separation of Azerbaijan from Iran and its annexation to Turkey, they will not be able to dampen patriotic sentiments of Azeri people.

Even today, the difference among the language of those tribes referred to by Pan-Turks is so wide that Turkmens do not understand the language of Kyrkyz people and Uzbeks do not comprehend what people of Azerbaijan say. If such differences did not exit, there is no reason to assume that people of Iran's Azerbaijan are from a single origin with people of Anatolia because, firstly, Turkish language was imposed on people of Azerbaijan since a couple of centuries ago and before that they spoke Persian. Secondly, profound historical ties that date back to the time of Zoroaster have linked Azerbaijan with other parts of Iran so strongly that they cannot be taken apart. History has proven that anytime that foreigners hatched a plot to take Azerbaijan away from Iran, the people of Azerbaijan formed the front line of struggle to thwart that plot.

http://www.iranchamber.com/people/articles...pan_turkism.php
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Dr. Mohammad Taghi Sbokddel is Persian, he is not Azeri, he is following a long tradition of pretending Azeris dont exist, that they are not Turks, dont talk Turkish and wants to erase their history the Soviets tried and used exactly the same policies they crumbled so will you if you carry on, who is he to give a different people a name haha what a phycho you think you can defeat Turks ha.
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TURK, What are you talking about? Azerîs are IRANIAN!

You are SUCH a vaste of life - and a hypocrit! So Azeris are a different people but Kurds are Turks?
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No Kurds are Kurds , Azeri Turks are Turks, have I ever said Kurds are Turks NO
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QUOTE(BIGTURK)
No Kurds are Kurds , Azeri Turks are Turks, have I ever said Kurds are Turks NO



REALY? And DO ALL nations have RIGHT to SELF DETERMINATION?
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QUOTE(BIGTURK)
Dr. Mohammad Taghi Sbokddel is Persian, he is not Azeri, he is following a long tradition of pretending Azeris dont exist, that they are not Turks, dont talk Turkish and wants to erase their history the Soviets tried and used exactly the same policies they crumbled so will you if you carry on, who is he to give a different people a name haha what a phycho you think you can defeat Turks ha.


why do you keep repeating the same non-sense all over again. it seems that you are desperate for people to believe in to your propaganda.

NO body is trying to hide azeri's existance. DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT I POSTED? you just babble b/s without even knowing what the article says.
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Dr. Mohammad Taghi Sbokddel is Persian, he is not Azeri, he is following a long tradition of pretending Azeris dont exist, that they are not Turks, dont talk Turkish and wants to erase their history the Soviets tried and used exactly the same policies they crumbled so will you if you carry on, who is he to give a different people a name haha what a phycho you think you can defeat Turks ha.


why do you keep repeating the same non-sense all over again. it seems that you are desperate for people to believe in to your propaganda.

NO body is trying to hide azeri's existance. DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT I POSTED? you just babble b/s without even knowing what the article says.



Persian - I don't think there is ANY hope for this "Tork"! He is simply too brainwashed to see things as they are...


Nobody is trying to hide the Azeri's existence... Indeed - But the TURKS are TRYING to hide Kurdish existence! SHAME ON THEM!

Persian - no - FALSETURK doesn't know how to read... He is illiterate... icon_lol.gif
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[quote="Dîrî"]
"Torkekher"
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icon_lol.gif "Tork-e Khar". ahah
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Persi boy wants to talk about Propoganda and then uses Persians using Soviet Methods against Turks Dr. Mohammad Taghi Sbokddel is Persian not Turkish his views are clear, Pers I'm sorry to say but underestimating are people will be your worst mistake, were keeping silent but when the Turks rise you'll know all bout it icon_wink.gif

Azeris are Turks end of story, MEN AZERIYIM SEN NEYSIN PERS DILIMIZI KONUSANA LAN EY PESEVENK DILINIMU YUTUN YOKSA HAYVAN OL HAYVAN. If your AZERI you know Turkish, you know Dede Korkut, you know the Legendary Oguz Clans, you know THE GREAT SELCUKS OF IRAN icon_biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(BIGTURK)
Persi boy wants to talk about Propoganda and then uses Persians using Soviet Methods against Turks Dr. Mohammad Taghi Sbokddel is Persian not Turkish his views are clear, Pers I'm sorry to say but underestimating are people will be your worst mistake, were keeping silent but when the Turks rise you'll know all bout it icon_wink.gif

Azeris are Turks end of story, MEN AZERIYIM SEN NEYSIN PERS DILIMIZI KONUSANA LAN EY PESEVENK DILINIMU YUTUN YOKSA HAYVAN OL HAYVAN. If your AZERI you know Turkish, you know Dede Korkut, you know the Legendary Oguz Clans, you know THE GREAT SELCUKS OF IRAN icon_biggrin.gif

again this fool keeps repeating the same old crap.

Azeris are TUrkish speaking but not TURKS. THEY ARE IRANIAN, not persian, but IRANIAN.
end of story.
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What a sad case of a man in denial, listen maybe you dont understand the ways of the Turks, BEING A TURK IS NOT BASED ON ETHNICITY, WE ARE NOT RACIALLY PREJEDUCED, A BLACK AFRICAN WHO SPEAKS TURKISH AND SAYS HE IS A TURK AND IS MUSLIM IS A TURK! AND NO1 CAN SAY OTHERWISE THIS IS WHY THERE ARE BLACK TURKS, WHITE TURKS, YELLOW TURKS TURKS OF EVERY COLOUS RACE/ETHNICITY ARE NOT BARRIERS TO OUR PEOPLE, PURE BLOOD/ARYANIS/RACISM/ THESE COMPLEXES DONT APPLY TO US THEY MEAN NUTIN TO US. IT WUDNT MATTER PERS IF AZERIS ORIGINATED FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD, THEY SPEAK TURKISH, THEY ACCEPT THEY ARE TURKISH, THEY ARE MUSLIM SO THEY ARE TURKISH END OF STORY, YOU CAN MAKE UP ETHNICITY STORIES ALL DAY LONG BUT IT DONT BOTHER US OR CHANGE ANYTIN.

LOOK AT MOST TURKS OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND EVEN CENTRAL ASIA, WHERE ARE THEIR PURE BLOODED ETHNIC TURKS, OUR WHOLE CULTURE ENCOURAGES MIXING WITH OTHER, THE MALE MAY MARRY ANY ONE OUTSIDE THE RACE AND SPREAD THIS BUT THE WOMAN MAY NOT, SO MANY TRIBES AND CLANS ACCEPTED TURKISHNESS AT THE SPREAD OF THE BRAVE GAZIS AND LEGENDARY OGUZ CLANS, THESE ARE TURKS AND ETHNICITY MEANS NUTIN. THIS IS WHAT U CANT UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND.

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Azerbaijani Turks and Iranian Revolutions

• The Iranian government fears that the Azerbaijani Turks would once
again lead a pro-democracy uprising against the regime

• Last century saw four major revolutions in Iran, all of which were led
by Azerbaijani Turks

• 1905-1911—Constitutional Revolution began in Tebriz, then center of
South Azerbaijan

• 1920—Pro-democracy revolution under Sheykh Muhammed Khyabbani
- Also began in Tebriz and South Azerbaijan was independent for 6 months

- Soviet Union and Iran jointly suppressed this state, killings tens of
thousands of Azerbaijani Turks

• 1945-46—the Azeri Turks were able to establish a state is South
Azerbaijan
- This state lasted one year and again, the Soviet Union and Iran put it
down and in the process killed 40,000 people
- Within that one year Turkish radio stations were established and
Tebriz began to become an urban center
- Turkish schools were opened and books began to be published in
Azerbaijani Turkish
- After suppressing the revolution, the Iranian government gathered all
of the Turkish publications that had been published during the year and
publicly burned them
- All the activists who worked for the South Azerbaijani state were
hunted down and persecuted
- As a result the Azerbaijani rights movement went into hibernation for
50 years

• 1979—Islamic Revolution was spearheaded by the Azerbaijani Turkish
majority in Tebriz
- Islamic governance had not been tried before and Azerbaijani Turks
believed that the Shah’s regime was so repressive that an inclusive
democratic regime would establish democracy under Allah
- The result was worse than before


History of Azerbaijani Turks in Iran

• Since Islam’s introduction to the region Azerbaijani Turks have been
in power in Iran

• Until 70 years ago Azerbaijani Turks made up 51.5% of the population
of Iran

• Despite the fact that Azerbaijani Turkish population has increased we
are told by the regime that it has actually decreased to 25%

• We believe Azerbaijani Turks are the majority ethic group in Iran
today with about 32 million—this number goes up to 34 million with the 2
million Turkmen living near the Caspian
- 20 million live in South Azerbaijan
- 10 million in Tehran—the capital is 70% Azerbaijani Turks
- 2 million Kashkaii Turks
- 2 million Horasan Turks


Negative Assimilation

• Even though we are the largest group in Iran, all nine state
television channels are in Farsi

• All 100 radio stations are in Farsi

• We gave the world many writers and poets, including Dede Gorgud
(Turkic world’s equivalent of Homer); UNESCO
declared 1999 to be the Year of Dede Gorgud.

• In the Iranian university system there are 200 linguistic departments
for Farsi, but not a single one for Turkish. Not even in Tebriz

• Even Iran’s uncivilized and undemocratic constitution says that all
languages of minorities may be practiced outside the public sphere

• Article 15 of the Iranian constitution allows Azerbaijani Turkish to
be used in South Azerbaijan, but this law only exists on paper

• Shah Pahlavi called the Azerbaijani Turks “Donkeys”

• Fars chauvinists still use this slur today

• Pahlavi banned the Azerbaijani Turkish language from schools and would
literally muzzle students who tried to use the language, or who used it
by accident

• Our only fault is wanting to live like humans and speak our language


History of the GAMOH Movement

• I was elected to the Majlis in 1995 with 600,000 votes in Tebriz

• My platform was bringing democracy to Iran, and under article 15,
attaining cultural and linguistic rights for the Azerbaijani Turks

• I protested the practices of the regime which violated our rights and
demanded that all articles of the constitution that respect our rights
be upheld

• I went to schools, homes, mosques and other public places to say that
this regime is abusing Islam; Islam does not allow torture

• The regime believed I was going to “awaken” South Azerbaijan

• Officials of the regime wanted me to resign on Tebriz radio, but I
would not

• I was then arrested and tortured—I was hit on the head with the butt
of a rifle, which damaged my neurological nerve. It has left me
partially paralyzed on the left side of my body and blind in my left eye

• They said that they would stop the torture if I declared on television
that I was an agent of Turkey and Israel

• I was jailed three times which led Amnesty International to condemn
Iran two years in a row for human rights violations.

• Thanks to the international attention, and a letter from UN Secretary
General Kofi Annan, I was finally let out of jail

• Because I did not give in, the National Movement of South Azerbaijan
(GAMOH) has become very strong over the last 7 years

• Once a year we have a gathering at Babek castle (Babek is a liberty
symbol of South Azerbaijan)

• This year the festival was held on July 4-5 and about 1.2 million
people showed up despite ten checkpoints established by the regime to
discourage attendees

• Our multi-million member movement is spearheaded by700,000 Azerbaijani
Turkish students

• For the first time in Iran’s history, the Azerbaijani Turkish students
and intellectual elites are separating themselves from the Farsi elite

• Our movement has communication lines with Kurds, Arabs, and other
minorities that have been assimilated by the dominant Farsi culture

• We have established over 1,000 committees in towns, villages and
cities

• These committees address the cultural needs of the Azerbaijani Turk
population

• After six years of only using our pens and tongues, some in the
movement are complaining that all we do is talk
- Some of them have begun to form “defense” committees

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Azeris are Turks end of story, MEN AZERIYIM SEN NEYSIN PERS DILIMIZI KONUSANA LAN EY PESEVENK DILINIMU YUTUN YOKSA HAYVAN OL HAYVAN.  


SANA BIR LAFIM VAR CINGENE - KAPAT CENENI!
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CINGENE HAHA SEN KIMSIN LAN BANA CINGENE DIYORSUN, ARAPLAR SANA NE DIYOR BIL BAKALIM HANCERLI CINGENE HAHA, ESEK OGUL ESEK icon_wink.gif

NIYE CINEMI KAPATIM LAN SOYLEDIKLERIMDEN KORKUYORMUSUN HA
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