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 01/06/06 09:40 PM
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http://www.atour.am/
QUOTE Living beside Armenians, Assyrians took the meritable place in cultural and economic development of Armenia for many years.
Today when the centuries-old dreams of Armenian nation, the formation of an independent sovereign State, has become true, the people have enthusiastically taken up the consolidation of the democratic principles, simultaneously creating conditions for the progress of all people inhabiting RA, the Assyrians among them.
The Assyrian Association “Atour” was founded in 1989. It was officially registered at the Ministry of Justice of the Republic of Armenia in 1992. Organisation was re-registered in the Ministry of Justice in 2004. At present it has the function of an Organisation of a Legal Advocate.
Nice site. Yerevan, you might like this too:
http://www.zarira.com/Tammuz6755.htm
Nice Armenian flag being waved in Urmia
Oh my God, if you click on their guestbook you get this:
http://www.atour.am/gb/
PowerHack Team
Hacked By Gargamel
Not nice at all 
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01/07/06 08:23 PM
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Armenians have been living in the Caucusus for quite some time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia
QUOTE In AD 301, Armenia became the first state to adopt Christianity as its official state religion, twelve years before the Roman Empire granted Christianity official toleration under Galerius, and some 30-40 years before Constantine was baptised. There had been various pagan communities before Christianity, but they were converted by an influx of Christian missionaries.
Hmm... sounds more like 1700 years ago that they adopted Christianity, meaning people have lived there previous to that. Armenia has been incorporated into other empires (such as the Russians and ancient Parthians), however, this still means that the descendents of the modern Armenians have been living in that region for much over 180 years.
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01/08/06 01:07 PM
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Well if you wantto go there, and bring up Nagorno Karabakh (Artsakh) again.
What do you think about this
QUOTE In the 2nd-1st centuries BC, the area of Artsakh was a part of the Greater Armenia. Strabo mentions Orhistene as one of three Armenian provinces in his \"Geography\" (the other two being Phavneni and Kombiseni.) Armenia, according to him, had originally been \"a small country\" on the sources of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, but was expanded by the kings Artaksi (Artashes) and Zariadrij (2nd century BC) who created an empire, often mentioned by ancient historians as Greater Armenia. (Strabo XI, 14, 5)
QUOTE Little is known about the history of Artsakh or of Aghbania in 1st-4th centuries. It is generally agreed that Albanians and Armenians alternated control over the territory until the early 4th century AD
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method...inktext=Artsakh
So on and so on
Read the whole page and you will not even find a reference to Azerbaijan, because there was no Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijanis did not yet come to that region.
So where did your claim of Nagorno Karabakh come from? Like I said, Armenians lived there waaaaaay before Azeris came and way before there was Azerbaijan. Just remember before Azerbaijan, there was Albania. But Armenia was there all along.
I did not intend to a discuss about NK, I just wanted to show Caucasian Turk that Armenians had much longer history in Caucasus that 180 years.
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01/08/06 08:11 PM
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I would probably not respond, but i'm doing only because of the mess i feel i caused on this whole thread.well i didn't want to do this, because i didn't respect you yerevan (and i still don't, because of he way you talk to "those ignorant barbarians calling themselves turks" ),but i see that this has gone too far. So, sorry for the caucasus.i apologise for the 180 years.I actually meant they came to Karabakh 180 years ago. It was just an error in the post. i put "caucasus" instead of "karabakh",i've become aware later. in any case you could see it was inconsistent,since right after that i mentioned the monument in Khankendi. BUT STILL, armenians came from the plateau and from the upper reaches of Euphrates.Your map is pointing at that, by the way.
And i have to remark that Iberia(which is Georgia- along with Kolkheti- before christianisation) has never gone so far to the south.Ridiculous. Utena, Orxistena and a big part of Gogarena were albanian provinces. Moreover, Armenians, notably under Tigran (the II i guess) sometimes reached Albanian provinces as a result of numerous wars, but the territory was not occupied over more than 50 years.
And of course my sources are azeri ones,right from the heart of the Academy of Sciences.sorry for not having western ones. they are so in vogue these days.The scientist's name is Iqrar Aliyev(a person who is far from calling himself turk, by the way).Ziya Bunyadov also has works on it(oops, i forgot you don't like him).just as Naile Velikhanli.
Of course you haven't come from nowhere,what a stupid thing to think of.
As for Albanians,there are works that prove they were "proto-turks". (Cf.alban-alpan=warrior)(i bet you thought again of panturkism).Notably G.Geybullayev.but these ideas are not fully accepted by some in the academic community and have yet to be sifted out.
In any case there's no doubt they played a very very important role in our ethnogenesis.
I'll tell you what this whole thing is about:you have a very strong diaspora which has shown the world your point of view.Unfortunately,we have neither connections, nor ressources that your diaspora has(you can of course think i envy,why not after all).so, the world has an unbalanced view.You always cry out for so-called "international research", but are you aware that this "world" research is based on what they find in their libraries.And do you know that those libraries are stuffed with biased books by armenian (and in the best case of armenian descent) writers,but i haven't seen a single book written by an azeri.what a coincidence!
as for western historians with turkish affiliation,it's funny how you reject those you don't like, what do you expect them to be?armenian friends?don't you understand that then those "enlightened minds" among ourselves this time,will reject them in their turn and we'll be again in that vicious circle? what is important is to compare and search for truth.And to accept no matter how bitter it is.As far as i can see, you're not capable of that because you have a prejudice against turks from the very beginning.And this is not your fault yerevan,it's your education system which is based on hatred towards turks and you harvest what you plant. We both are taught histories that contradict each other.You know what, Ziya Bunyadov proposed an open debate of historians when the conflict broke out,why armenians didn't accept it?
btw Iqrar Aliyev's research has soo many references to Stepanos Orbeliani...
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01/14/06 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(Yerevan) Cyrus, Armenians have been living in that region for way more than 1700 years. Waaaay before the Turks came to that region.
Sorry, I should've been more clear. I meant that 'Armenians' were living in the region long before they adopted Christianity 1700 years ago.
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01/16/06 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Iranian) It means Persian expanisionists want Armenia to be part of Persia. It also means that the Armenians are related to the Persians.
Part of Persia? Persia hasn't existed for some time, buddy. Armenia supposedly was part of the Persian/Parthian Empire many years ago, but that has nothing to do with modern times.
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