Need Help, Armenian Ethnic map around 1900? Options

[Rumtaya]

Barve my Armenian Brothers,


I need your help, because I am looking for a map showing the ethnic population of Armenians before the Genocide, can someone provide please?



urgent...


thanks in advantage...

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I had some numbers regarding cities but couldn't find a map

They were almost everywhere though, blended perfectly with all other Ottoman societies. According to Patriach of Armenians in 1890 ish the ermeni population in Ottoman lands were 1,080,000 mainly on the eastern and southeastern parts of Anatolia.

[Rumtaya]

I had some numbers regarding cities but couldn't find a map

They were almost everywhere though, blended perfectly with all other Ottoman societies. According to Patriach of Armenians in 1890 ish the ermeni population in Ottoman lands were 1,080,000 mainly on the eastern and southeastern parts of Anatolia.

Thats why I am looking for them I need the locations where they formed the majority!

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Diyarbakır, Van and Istanbul I guess.

[Chaldean]

Thats why I am looking for them I need the locations where they formed the majority!

A simple answer: the areas of what today is called "Northern Kurdistan"

[Rumtaya]

A simple answer: the areas of what today is called "Northern Kurdistan"

kholamukh nasha, de yatin tiwa kulla armenia tama...akhji bayinali kha map...

We all know that Kurdistan did increase after the gneocide 10 time to its original seize.

[Urartu]

Armenians numbers in eastern Anatolia were 2 million. Not 1,080,000.

And careful with your words Rumtaya. The Genocide is not a reality for Arrow so you can’t simply bring it up to prove your point. Regardless of being Assyrian, Armenian, Greek, or Kurdish.

Remember. A Turks giving you this information……….

P.S. I think Arrow would feel a little more comfortable if you referred to the Kurds as “Mountain Turks”

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Armenians numbers in eastern Anatolia were 2 million. Not 1,080,000.

And careful with your words Rumtaya. The Genocide is not a reality for Arrow so you can’t simply bring it up to prove your point. Regardless of being Assyrian, Armenian, Greek, or Kurdish.

Remember. A Turks giving you this information……….

P.S. I think Arrow would feel a little more comfortable if you referred to the Kurds as “Mountain Turks”

I think he sould be more careful with you becouse according to you Nothern kurdistan is your homelands you will take back oneday.

Kurds are kurds not mountain turks, don't be silly.

Remember this turk is giving you the information according to documents not grayscale photos without any signatures... The number I gave about Ermeni subjects of Ottoman Empire is from Patriach of Ermenis. But it doesn't include the population of Iranian and Caucasian Ermeni people. Most of those later joined ranks with Russian army and marched to Anatolia.

Urartu before making personal comments please read my previous posts. I don't want to repeat everything over and over. It is getting quite boring.

[Urartu]

I think he sould be more careful with you becouse according to you Nothern kurdistan is your homelands you will take back oneday.

True. Eastern Anatolia was once inhabited by Armenians. They were killed. And Kurds replaced them.

Kurds are kurds not mountain turks, don't be silly.

LOL, yes. Kurds ARE Kurds and not Mountain Turks. Could you imagine who would be silly enough to call them Mountain Turk?

Remember this turk is giving you the information according to documents not grayscale photos without any signatures...

Don’t fool yourself. Even if the photos had signatures you know damn well you still wouldn’t believe them. Just look at the documents I sent you. All of them had signatures and you picked out one of them and said it didn’t have a sigil

p.s. Since when do people sign photos?!?

The number I gave about Ermeni subjects of Ottoman Empire is from Patriach of Ermenis.

What was the definition of “Eastern Anatolia” according to the Armenian Patriarch?


And earlier in the forum you mentioned that Armenians made up the majority in Istanbul? Where the hell did you here that???

[Hosank]

actually, there were almost 3 million armenians in the ottoman empire. half of which were exterminated..

today, i was in ararat marz, the armenian province ajacent to the ararat mountain, in modern turkey. most of the villages, and people, are decendents of those who survived the genocide, most of which were from villages with the same name, only on the other side of today's border. interesting enough, the stories i heard there are very close to those i heard from my family about the genocide..
so i know the armenian diaspora is well organised, but to a point as to make the stories of a lost village in the armenian highland coincide with that of a spurkahye? some how i doubt that it is made up..

and if you want an ethnic map, imagine everything that is about 1000 kms east of ankara..to the modern armenian border, being predominantly armenian

[davit]

actually, there were almost 3 million armenians in the ottoman empire. half of which were exterminated..

today, i was in ararat marz, the armenian province ajacent to the ararat mountain, in modern turkey. most of the villages, and people, are decendents of those who survived the genocide, most of which were from villages with the same name, only on the other side of today's border. interesting enough, the stories i heard there are very close to those i heard from my family about the genocide..
so i know the armenian diaspora is well organised, but to a point as to make the stories of a lost village in the armenian highland coincide with that of a spurkahye? some how i doubt that it is made up..

and if you want an ethnic map, imagine everything that is about 1000 kms east of ankara..to the modern armenian border, being predominantly armenian

are you stil in armenia???



i came back like 2 weeks ago

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True. Eastern Anatolia was once inhabited by Armenians. They were killed. And Kurds replaced them.
LOL, yes. Kurds ARE Kurds and not Mountain Turks. Could you imagine who would be silly enough to call them Mountain Turk?
Don’t fool yourself. Even if the photos had signatures you know damn well you still wouldn’t believe them. Just look at the documents I sent you. All of them had signatures and you picked out one of them and said it didn’t have a sigil

p.s. Since when do people sign photos?!?
What was the definition of “Eastern Anatolia” according to the Armenian Patriarch?
And earlier in the forum you mentioned that Armenians made up the majority in Istanbul? Where the hell did you here that???

Urartu you are letting your anger take control of you man. I said, according to the Armenian PAtriach of Ottoman Empire. This must be clear enough, it means all the Ermeni subjects of Ottoman Empire. The original document is still intact and was discovered by a Japanese history proffersor in 1986 while he was doing some research about trade and taxes of ethnical groups of Ottoman Empire. I'll try to find you a link about it.

And about the documents you posted, all of them are missing the sigils, they are supposed to be telegram copies but made the huge mistake of using Armenia and Turkey, both names are to be used decades after the telegrams were dated. Also they are missing the destinations and sender ( consignee ) but some generic title. I saw far more better documents from Ermeni side these were merely documents. Still I really apreciate your research, at least once a while you do post sometihng close to a document rather than arrogant / childish remarks..

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actually, there were almost 3 million armenians in the ottoman empire. half of which were exterminated..

today, i was in ararat marz, the armenian province ajacent to the ararat mountain, in modern turkey. most of the villages, and people, are decendents of those who survived the genocide, most of which were from villages with the same name, only on the other side of today's border. interesting enough, the stories i heard there are very close to those i heard from my family about the genocide..
so i know the armenian diaspora is well organised, but to a point as to make the stories of a lost village in the armenian highland coincide with that of a spurkahye? some how i doubt that it is made up..

and if you want an ethnic map, imagine everything that is about 1000 kms east of ankara..to the modern armenian border, being predominantly armenian

Wellcome back man, I hope your holiday is going good for you .

I agree you with the population, actually it must be over 4 million but not in the Ottoman borders. That must be like the total number of Ermeni people in the are ( Ottoman emp. + Iran + Russia ).

My fathers family also settled to a new town but named after their old town in Caucasuss, sad but l,fe goes on eh ?

[Urartu]

Urartu you are letting your anger take control of you man.

I am angry, but it isn’t controlling me. If it were I would be cussing at you and insulting you. All of my last post made sense, and I asked normal questions (which you failed to answer). Could you explain how the anger controlled me?

I said, according to the Armenian PAtriach of Ottoman Empire. This must be clear enough, it means all the Ermeni subjects of Ottoman Empire.

Yes I FULLY understood that. And after that I asked [What was the “Eastern Anatolia” according to the Armenian patriarch] Stop restating what you said.

And about the documents you posted, all of them are missing the sigils,

I don’t think they even used sigils. You’re just making some shizzle up do defend your argument.

they are supposed to be telegram copies but made the huge mistake of using Armenia and Turkey, both names are to be used decades after the telegrams were dated.

And they did use those names back then. At least they did in England and America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NY_Time...an_genocide.jpg

And here is the source of that page in the New York Times archives. Just in case you thought Armenians photo shopped it or something.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.htm...4DA415B858DF1D3

I don’t know if it’s legit though. It doesn’t have a signature, sigil, stamp, signed picture, complementary DVD (signed of course), fingerprint, or a DNA sample

Also they are missing the destinations and sender ( consignee ) but some generic title.

And the first time a consignee was ever used was in the U.S. Pomerene Act of 1916.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consignee

So there goes that…

Still I really apreciate your research,

Golly gee, Thanks!

at least once a while you do post sometihng close to a document rather than arrogant / childish remarks..

There you go again, talking out of your azz. I always make sense when I post.

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I am angry, but it isn’t controlling me. If it were I would be cussing at you and insulting you. All of my last post made sense, and I asked normal questions (which you failed to answer). Could you explain how the anger controlled me?

I don't bother answering to a question that has already been answered to before in the same page of the forums. SOME of your posts do make sense when you taek out the childish remarks and insulst. Your anger controls you becouse you feel to attack everything I post just becouse who I am.

Yes I FULLY understood that. And after that I asked [What was the “Eastern Anatolia” according to the Armenian patriarch] Stop restating what you said.

If you understood it why keep asking like a 3 year old over and over. Since he is the patriach of Ottoman empire, eastern Anatolia ends where Ottoman borders end......

I don’t think they even used sigils. You’re just making some shizzle up do defend your argument.

Sigils date back to ancient Greece and Egypt. They are used through out the medieval age and always after that to secure the messeages and later to ensure the senders identity. I don't make things up. And every document used for information between governmental organs must have sigils to make sure that they are coming from the person/organ that is supposed to come from.......

And they did use those names back then. At least they did in England and America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NY_Time...an_genocide.jpg

And here is the source of that page in the New York Times archives. Just in case you thought Armenians photo shopped it or something.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.htm...4DA415B858DF1D3

NY is the best source for everything related to genocide Look my young friend, it is true that Ottoman Emp. called Turkey by some but her name was Ottoman Empire. But all governmental documents from Ottoman emp ( the accused ) are signed with Ottoman name. Actually till the last times of Ottoman emp. identifiying yourself as a Turk had punishment of 10 sticks to back, publicly. And there was no Armenia in 1915 but Ottoman and Russian ermeni people.

And the first time a consignee was ever used was in the U.S. Pomerene Act of 1916.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consignee

So there goes that…

1- It is not in US

2- it is a telegram, a sender and a reciever must be named.

3-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consignee

Information in this article or section has not been verified against sources and may not be reliable.
Please check for inaccuracies and modify as needed, citing the sources against which it was checked.

[Urartu]

I don't bother answering to a question that has already been answered to before in the same page of the forums.

“Since when do people sign photos?”

Not answered on this forum…


“Where did you hear Armenians made up the majority of Istanbul?”

Not answered in this forum…

SOME of your posts do make sense when you taek out the childish remarks and insulst. Your anger controls you becouse you feel to attack everything I post just becouse who I am.

I don’t attack the things you post. I RESPOND. Call it whatever you want. I really don’t care anymore.

If you understood it why keep asking like a 3 year old over and over. Since he is the patriach of Ottoman empire, eastern Anatolia ends where Ottoman borders end......

Sweet Jesus. I am asking WHAT WAS THE DEFINITION OF EASTERN ANATOLIA TO THE ARMENIAN PATRIARCH!?! As in, from what city or province east did they consider Eastern Anatolia?!?!?(Re-read 10x)

Sigils date back to ancient Greece and Egypt. They are used through out the medieval age and always after that to secure the messeages and later to ensure the senders identity. I don't make things up. And every document used for information between governmental organs must have sigils to make sure that they are coming from the person/organ that is supposed to come from.......

Okay then, prove to me that the Americans and British used sigils in their foreign office records during 1915 in the Ottoman Empire. Show an example document or something.

NY is the best source for everything related to genocide

Yea, it’s a good source hu? I suppose you have an explanation for why the New York Times reported that if it wasn’t happening, right?

Look my young friend, it is true that Ottoman Emp. called Turkey by some

It wasn’t true in your last post. But always quick to change your stand once proven wrong eh?

but her name was Ottoman Empire. But all governmental documents from Ottoman emp ( the accused ) are signed with Ottoman name. Actually till the last times of Ottoman emp. identifiying yourself as a Turk had punishment of 10 sticks to back, publicly.

Useless rambling. The point was proven. The Americans and British (which is where the documents are from) would use the name Turkey…

And there was no Armenia in 1915 but Ottoman and Russian ermeni people.

They would call the land “Armenia” though.

1- It is not in US

2- it is a telegram, a sender and a reciever must be named.

3-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consignee

Information in this article or section has not been verified against sources and may not be reliable.
Please check for inaccuracies and modify as needed, citing the sources against which it was checked.

1916 is the first time it was EVER used. But who am I to claim that? Even wikipedia said it might be inaccurate. Perhaps you would like to prove to me that the Ottoman Empire would use a Consignee prior to 1916? an example document?(Specifically from the British and American foreign affairs)

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@ Urartu,

If a photo is supposed to be a document, it must be documented. All documents actually has to be checked and proved to be accurate or they will be fictionary, untrusted..

For example, all the documents in this link are checked and proved, they held documental value, not in question etc....

http://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/1915.html

There are also letters reporting the suffering of ermeni subjects of Ottoman Emp., they have dates , names but since the pictures of original letters are not posted we can't see the sigil. And yes I myself gave you this link, a possible evidence about deportion. But then nobody here denies deportion we just deny genocide

Read my post better kiddo, I said majority of ermeni subjects of the Ottoman emp. lived in eastern anatolia and in Istanbul. They never were a majority in Istanbul.... Where did you learn to read, in a street gang

If you don't care anymore then act like you don't really care

[irlandahay]

@ Urartu,

If a photo is supposed to be a document, it must be documented. All documents actually has to be checked and proved to be accurate or they will be fictionary, untrusted..

For example, all the documents in this link are checked and proved, they held documental value, not in question etc....

http://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/1915.html

There are also letters reporting the suffering of ermeni subjects of Ottoman Emp., they have dates , names but since the pictures of original letters are not posted we can't see the sigil. And yes I myself gave you this link, a possible evidence about deportion. But then nobody here denies deportion we just deny genocide

Read my post better kiddo, I said majority of ermeni subjects of the Ottoman emp. lived in eastern anatolia and in Istanbul. They never were a majority in Istanbul.... Where did you learn to read, in a street gang

If you don't care anymore then act like you don't really care

fictionnary documents? like all those "ottoman sources" you have?
we have loads and loads of documents coming from russian sources, american, british and french. and if you come up with "those were our enemy's, of course they will go against us", well we also have documents coming from German, austrian and sweedish sources. all kinds of tourists, aid workers, millitary or government officials have seen all that you have done to rid anatolia of the original inhabitants.

there are also ottoman documents. those that werent destroyed to try and hide it all. Ara Sarafian was able to look at those documents, he was able to conclude that there was indeed genocide. those very same documents managed to convince Orhan Pamuk (your nobel prize winner) and our good friend Taner Akcam.

Deportion huh? werent you the one making fun of me for a spelling mistake? whatever I'm going to be the bigger man... Yes there is evidence of deportation and yes no one denies that. but what is denied is that there was a goal behind it. Convoys would stop in the middle of the desert and would all just be executed. most of the deportees never made it.

There were german officers present and those who did not try to stop all the killings took part in it and eventually became the architects of the Holocaust only 30 years later. It is in 1915 Turkey, that methods of extermination like : concentration camps (Katma), tying two and two together and shooting one bullet, like that you kill the first who drags the second one down into the water and the other drowns with the first one, like that you dont waste bullets. these are only some of the disgusting ways used to wipe us out. then try to tell me you are civilized!

And not only did you try to wipe out the Armenians, you also pulled the same stunt on the Assyrians, a local peaceful population older then time itself, you also tried this on the greeks, who today still regard you as an enemy, you also tried to pull this stunt on the kurds, only they have a bigger population and are able to fight back. In fact, your terrified of them, thats why you keep trying to suppress them.

so turk, when you quote people like Martin Luther king, please try and make it relevant. Your friends stayed silent because you have no more friends, you tried to exterminate them all remember? even the arabs dont like you! the only ones that do are the Azeris because family comes first right?

Also, Martin Luther King Jr was a man who is famous for standing up for peace and equal and human rights, 3 things that were never accomplished by turks or Turkey.

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Your post seems like a big whine from here kiddo. And since you have tons of documents I am sure you are going to put them into good use, maybe in your life time

[irlandahay]

Your post seems like a big whine from here kiddo. And since you have tons of documents I am sure you are going to put them into good use, maybe in your life time

haha eh voila tout le monde. the turk in all his splendor...

whats wrong turk? did you forget how to read?

this is exactly how a turk is, when the going gets tough, the turks looks the other way!

bravo turk, youv really proven me wrong in this post, ouch! how am I ever going to recover from that brutal beating?

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haha eh voila tout le monde. the turk in all his splendor...

whats wrong turk? did you forget how to read?

this is exactly how a turk is, when the going gets tough, the turks looks the other way!

bravo turk, youv really proven me wrong in this post, ouch! how am I ever going to recover from that brutal beating?

more blah blah and whining

And should I feel bad or good when you call me Turk

And stop wasting your time, go do something usefull with it, hit girls read books work out etc.

[irlandahay]

more blah blah and whining

And should I feel bad or good when you call me Turk

And stop wasting your time, go do something usefull with it, hit girls read books work out etc.

lol actually turk im making fun of you, in fact the entire internationnal community is laughing theyr ###### off at you. Your a joke man seriously. your the one telling me to do something with my life?

PS: being a turk is not a compliment

[irlandahay]

more blah blah and whining

And should I feel bad or good when you call me Turk

And stop wasting your time, go do something usefull with it, hit girls read books work out etc.

lol actually turk im making fun of you, in fact the entire internationnal community is laughing theyr ###### off at you. Your a joke man seriously. your the one telling me to do something with my life?

PS: being a turk is not a compliment

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lol actually turk im making fun of you, in fact the entire internationnal community is laughing theyr ###### off at you. Your a joke man seriously. your the one telling me to do something with my life?

PS: being a turk is not a compliment

God bless you kiddo

[Urartu]

If a photo is supposed to be a document, it must be documented. All documents actually has to be checked and proved to be accurate or they will be fictionary, untrusted..

Armin T. Wegner himself said those were pictures of massacred Armenians. Would you like me to send the recording of him saying that? (Not being sarcastic, I actually do have that recording)

For example, all the documents in this link are checked and proved, they held documental value, not in question etc....

http://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/1915.html

There are also letters reporting the suffering of ermeni subjects of Ottoman Emp., they have dates , names but since the pictures of original letters are not posted we can't see the sigil. And yes I myself gave you this link, a possible evidence about deportion. But then nobody here denies deportion we just deny genocide.

Careful what you post Arrow,

“It is now established that there is not an Armenian left in the provinces of Erzeroum, Trebizond, Sivas, Harapout, Bitlis and Diyarbekir. About a million of the Armenian inhabitants of these provinces have been deported from their homes and sent southwards into exile. These deportations have been carried out very systematically by the local authorities since the beginning of April last. First of all, in every village and every town, the population was disarmed by the gendarmerie, and by criminals released for this purpose from prison. On the pretext of disarming the Armenians, these criminals committed assassinations and inflicted hideous tortures.”

I---GENERAL DESCRIPTIONS.

7. Letter from the same source, dated Constantinople, 2nd/15th August, 1915, addressed to the same Armenian resident beyond the Ottoman frontier.



“I have seen the ravages of the Crimean war, the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-78, the Armenian massacres of 1894-96, and the region of terror which then followed until the year 1914; but the massacres which have been going on since April of the current year are simply appalling, and by far. the most terrible blow which the Armenian nation has ever been subject to throughout the course of its long history.”

II.---VILAYET OF VAN.

19. Van after the massacres: Narrative of Mr. A. S. Safrastian, dated Van, published in the German journal “Sonnenaufgang,” October, 1915.



Towards the end of October (1914), when the Turkish war began, the Turkish officials started to take everything they needed for the war from the Armenians. Their goods, their money, all was confiscated. Later on, every Turk was free to go to an Armenian shop and take out what he needed or thought he would like to have. Only a tenth perhaps was really for the war, the rest was pure robbery. It was necessary to have food, &c., carried to the front, on the Caucasian frontier. For this purpose the Government sent out about 300 old Armenian men, many cripples amongst them, and boys not more than twelve years old, to carry the goods---a three weeks’ journey from Moush to the Russian frontier. As every individual Armenian was robbed of everything he ever had, these poor people soon died of hunger and cold on the way. They had no clothes at all, for even these were stolen on the way. If out of these 300 Armenians thirty or forty returned, it was a marvel ; the rest were either beaten to death or died from the causes stated above.

III---VILAYET OF BITLIS.

23. Moush District : Statement by a German eye-witness of occurrences at Moush; communicated by the American Committee for Armenians and Syrian Relief.


And this is just three statements of literally hundreds I found on the link you sent me that proves the Armenian genocide happened. Good job Arrow. But honestly I don’t think this will shut you up. You are one of the better… Actually, you are one of the more DETERMINED deniers I have met. I’m curious to see how you will respond. If you respond at all.

documents in this link are checked and proved

^^^Remeber that^^^

Read my post better kiddo, I said majority of ermeni subjects of the Ottoman emp. lived in eastern anatolia and in Istanbul. They never were a majority in Istanbul....

I think you’re loosing you eyesight there gramps,

Rumtaya: That’s why I am looking for them I need the locations of WHERE THEY FORMED THE MAJORITY!

Arrow: Diyarbakir, Van and ISTANBUL I guess

C’mon Arrow, no ones THIS stupid…

Where did you learn to read, in a street gang.

Street gangs give courses in English? Who knew! Maybe you should take them Arrow. It will be an upgrade from what you know now

If you don't care anymore then act like you don't really care

I haven’t even acted for my second time yet. I JUST said I wouldn’t care what you call my responses any more (ex: childish, angry, ect.) from now on. Which I won’t. Understand?!?!






And I’m guessing you couldn’t prove/answer the following:

What was the definition of Eastern Anatolia to the Armenian Patriarch?

Prove to me that the Americans and British used sigils in their foreign office records during 1915 in the Ottoman Empire. Show an example document or something.

I suppose you have an explanation of why the New Your Times reported that if it wasn’t happening, right?

Perhaps you would like to prove to me that the Ottoman Empire would use a Consignee prior to 1916? An example document (specifically from the British and American foreign affairs)?

Chop Chop Arrow, I’m waiting for your answers.

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Look kiddo, I gave you the link didn't I? The link there is a proof of deportation which you may call genocide. I call it deportation, or slangly kicking out.

And I seriously believe the documents are proven to be right.

Ok my little friend. Draw a square and consider the right side the eastern border. Now consider that side as the border of a state. Now lets think that there is a guy living in that state, ok? And that guy decides to count the number of trees in that square. Now would he include the number of the trees outside the border of his state ?

The OTTOMAN PATRIACH counted the number of OTTOMAN ERMENI SUBJECTS. And it must not be so hard to think that since the guy is an Ottoman subject the east border of his calculation must be the eastern border of Ottoman Empire. But since he is long time dead (RIP) there is no way to ask it , is there?

Geez you really are acting like a mule sometimes

And I really don't think that I need to prove you anything, we are just typing out ideas. And I don't really believe you'd believe anything I post if they point to a no genocide.

Oh and the sender reciever thing. Ottomans used the wax seal and later sigil of the sultan since 13th century. They learned it from the Bzyntine empire. I don't know why you are so suprised with it, it i snot the invention of atom bomb you know. And what good is a letter or any kind of message if there is no reciever stated along with a sender. Did you ever send a letter, e-mail or sms without a reciever id, and your own id?

And I still think that your telegrams are fictional, but the link I provided is a secure one.

[Hosank]

im back yes..
and, no, see, your grandparents should have moved their village back east, not west, in order to opress more peoples.

and you love to toy with documentation..
even though the domcument's factuallity is already proven

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im back yes..
and, no, see, your grandparents should have moved their village back east, not west, in order to opress more peoples.

and you love to toy with documentation..
even though the domcument's factuallity is already proven

on the contrary, my parents should have moved even more western areas. Oh and there is no opression wtf are you talking about?

[Hosank]

yes, i know they moved west, that is why i said they should have moved east, to join their turkic brothers of turkmenistan

no oppression? you are just like a rich kid in mexico, living in a compound all his live, and nievely believing that the world is perfect

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yes, i know they moved west, that is why i said they should have moved east, to join their turkic brothers of turkmenistan

no oppression? you are just like a rich kid in mexico, living in a compound all his live, and nievely believing that the world is perfect

Thanks for your advice but no thanks. It is actually you who should move east. Go to ermenistan and do something for your lands rather than living in Canada...

The second comment of yours is BS..

[Hosank]

thank you for your advice as well, though it is uncessesary, for that is what i am planning to do.

meanwhile, once again, you simply dismiss a comment by calling BS, and refusing to answer. just proving that not only what i said was true, but you are in denial.

[Senharib]

These Turks, a mix of race are forged by the same bullshit everyone of them. I can sense that Arrowhead lives in a western side of the world, and for many years. Every Turk is brainwashed with the same fascism like their own state promotes. A life in a western democtratic world wasn't enough to enlighten this Turk about the Armenian/Assyrian genocide, you are living in denial!

Damn its really true, that to be a "Turk", is to carry a disease of denial and fascism. Nowdays its in their genetics.

[Hosank]

nowadays?

when it their history was it not?
i find it funny that even after assimilating so many armenians, Assyrians, greeks, and so on, their mentality still prevails

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thank you for your advice as well, though it is uncessesary, for that is what i am planning to do.

meanwhile, once again, you simply dismiss a comment by calling BS, and refusing to answer. just proving that not only what i said was true, but you are in denial.

You said opression, we are a democracy how can we oppress anyone? That is just BS.

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These Turks, a mix of race are forged by the same bullshit everyone of them. I can sense that Arrowhead lives in a western side of the world, and for many years. Every Turk is brainwashed with the same fascism like their own state promotes. A life in a western democtratic world wasn't enough to enlighten this Turk about the Armenian/Assyrian genocide, you are living in denial!

Damn its really true, that to be a "Turk", is to carry a disease of denial and fascism. Nowdays its in their genetics.

Oh hi:)

And who brainwashed me again?

[Ishkhan]

You said opression, we are a democracy how can we oppress anyone? That is just BS.

What about all the ridiculous laws you have, such as article 301?
Oppression is that, too.

[Hosank]

You said opression, we are a democracy how can we oppress anyone? That is just BS.

lol, how nieve and childish..

let us also remember that north korea's official name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea, yet, look at it's rating in the world liberty index:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

[Urartu]

Ok, I’m going to not respond to our other discussions for now because something you said caught my interest. I’ll ask you questions one by one because you have trouble answering several in one comment.


Arrow, are you aware that the document you sent me (which you said you believe is a reliable source) said that Armenians were being massacred?

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Ok, I’m going to not respond to our other discussions for now because something you said caught my interest. I’ll ask you questions one by one because you have trouble answering several in one comment.
Arrow, are you aware that the document you sent me (which you said you believe is a reliable source) said that Armenians were being massacred?

Yes I do, I gave you thi link remember. But please leave out the comments just the documents.

Oh and I prepared you some documents in Ottoman, Armenian and their English translations. I just need to scan them to post here.

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lol, how nieve and childish..

let us also remember that north korea's official name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea, yet, look at it's rating in the world liberty index:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_World_Liberty_Index

Yea and that list shows Estonia number 1...

And who cares about Korea this is about ermenistan, just keep to the topic.

[Hosank]

yeh estonia is number one..
but incase you were unable to capture the essence of my post, you told me that a democratic republic, such as turkey, would be unable to commit such attrocities, and then i told you that just because you label your self democratic does not make you so.
in fact, it is undemocratic countries that label themselves democratic. so do not try to hide under that vale

[Urartu]

Yes I do, I gave you thi link remember. But please leave out the comments just the documents.

So you agree that Armenians were being massacred. But you don’t think it was a genocide? That’s just great