HayArsen and Davit, you're threats and insults are unwelcome...
Such language is not justified...
@HayArsen - I didn't kill anybody... Nor did my father or mother...
Nor have I ever heard of my grandfather or grandmother killing anybody...
@Jam - you are trying hard to make this into a fight - but I am going to tell you this one time: stop flaming - or I will have you out of here...
To everybody else: we are discussing - it's not a verbal or physical fight...
Either put up, or shut up... Anybody can be a cyber-warrior...
Now back to topic....
@Ishkhan
[img]Armenians have traditionally lived in the Armenian highland, while the Kurds lived in Northern Mesopotamia, next to the Assyrians.
Quite frankly I think that 200 years of history aren't enough. Land claims wouldn't be legitimate. For example, Mexican immigrants are augmenting in numbers today in the US. In 200 years, they can't simply say that the US is theirs.
Even 200 years ago, Kurds weren't an organized and united nation. For instance, a Kurd identified himself with his tribe (tribes even had names of their own) rather than with the whole Kurdish nation. That wasn't the case with the Armenians, and hasn't been so for thousands of years...
Historical aspects and treaties may seem important to us, but to the eyes of the international community, they aren't. If you're strong enough today, and if you control important resources and trade routes, everybody would want to come closer to you and would help you in your demands. If not, you're pretty much lost in the pages of history.
EDIT: Mordoth, Armenians and Kurds never officially signed or recognized the Lausanne Treaty. If they did, explain me how.[/img]
Yes, Armenians have traditionally lived north of lake Van... But that doesn't mean that it ever was explisitly Armenian... We have no proof that only Armenians lived there - in fact there is evidence that also Kurds lived there - along side Armenians...
Athough this map is from after the Genocide, I'd like to share it:
http://www.anesi.com/rmap2.jpgBut this map here, is from 1896:
Kurds and Armenians lived in mixed areas as well as explisitly Kurdish and Armenians areas...
In this map you see where the Turks make the majority:
I think for Armenians to even have a slight chance at getting their hands on any of their ancient land, is if the land is in the hands of Kurds... Unlike the Turks, Kurds feel remorse for the Genocide and don't deny it happening - you're best chance would be the good will of a people with guilty consciene...
West Armenia Or North Kurdistan?, Discussing the matter of land ownership...
04/22/07 02:25 PM
