West Armenia Or North Kurdistan?, Discussing the matter of land ownership... Options

[Dîrî]

Map from The Treaty of Sèvres:





Some questions to start the discussion:

1| Who inhabited these lands the last 200 years?

2| Who inhabits these lands now?

3| Who has legal rights to these lands?

4| Who legally owns these lands now?

5| What happened in these lands the last 100 years?



Before hand I would like to ask all trolls to bugger off to another thread... This thread is not a place for hate or rascism - nor am I going to tolerate any insults on any of the parts discussed...

Please be civil and polite...

[prot9999]

Yours stupids still think same stupid dream? Rumtaya are you really serious? Can you fight against to us from Germany? Diri can fight from Norway? And other nothing guys can yours fight against Turkish Armenies?? I never think, yours just see dream, but impossible dream.

Kurds, Assyrians and Armenians yours are nothing. Yours will never stole any land from us. I'm sure yours now make masturbation with looking these stupid pictures. Your Abhazas!!! How much Assyrian soldier have? How much armenian can fight againt Turkish army? How much kurd can fight against Turkish Commandos? Be real do first!

Yours no any luck against Turkish Commandos. Anyone want try? Why yours living 5000 km later from Anatolia?

Kerkuk, Musul, Yerevan are Turkish cities and nearly time we will get back all. Look reals and keep your stupid dreams.

LOL Regards!

[irlandahay]

Yours stupids still think same stupid dream? Rumtaya are you really serious? Can you fight against to us from Germany? Diri can fight from Norway? And other nothing guys can yours fight against Turkish Armenies?? I never think, yours just see dream, but impossible dream.

Kurds, Assyrians and Armenians yours are nothing. Yours will never stole any land from us. I'm sure yours now make masturbation with looking these stupid pictures. Your Abhazas!!! How much Assyrian soldier have? How much armenian can fight againt Turkish army? How much kurd can fight against Turkish Commandos? Be real do first!

Yours no any luck against Turkish Commandos. Anyone want try? Why yours living 5000 km later from Anatolia?

Kerkuk, Musul, Yerevan are Turkish cities and nearly time we will get back all. Look reals and keep your stupid dreams.

LOL Regards!

yours still are not learn to speake proper english? once yours arse learned to speak a real language and not somes blabbering and sheep sounds (I.E. turkish) Then yours are make able to write on this forume...understand?!

what dyou mean no one can stand up to turkish wonderful courageous army?
you tried to take cyprus and the greeks milita held off your crappy special forces. youv been trying to whipe out the PKK for thirty years and here they are strong as ever. ASALA, a cell with almost 2000 members, was able to do more damage then your army to it. only a few were caught. they never disbanded because of "turkish intelligence" they disbanded because of armenian pressure. all those mounting failures have proven that you are a weak state. youv created so many enemies in the past century that I dont even give you another century. soon, the kurds will start getting more agressive. the world will have turned its back on you. the armenians will bash through your "border patrol" and the greeks will want a part of the action themselves.

now for kurdistan. (sorry diri I hadnt answered yet)
I personnally like the kurds. sure they did bad stuff, but they have proven to me that they are real men. they have apologised for their wrongs and have supported armenians for a while now. they helped us in artsakh by supplying PKK stockpiled wepaons, they held joint attacks with ASALA.
Obviously the land inhabited today by kurds used to belong to armenians, but lets be realistic. the borders arnt gonna change anytime soon and if we do get the lands...whos gonna live there?

point being. if kurds live there, fine, as long as they dont destroy our sacred monuments and invent pathetic cover stories to explain how they got there...then I'm fine with it.

[Dîrî]

now for kurdistan. (sorry diri I hadnt answered yet)
I personnally like the kurds. sure they did bad stuff, but they have proven to me that they are real men. they have apologised for their wrongs and have supported armenians for a while now. they helped us in artsakh by supplying PKK stockpiled wepaons, they held joint attacks with ASALA.
Obviously the land inhabited today by kurds used to belong to armenians, but lets be realistic. the borders arnt gonna change anytime soon and if we do get the lands...whos gonna live there?

point being. if kurds live there, fine, as long as they dont destroy our sacred monuments and invent pathetic cover stories to explain how they got there...then I'm fine with it.

Thank you for your kind words... Indeed I support Armenian rights - and as far as possible, also claims and demands...

I see the importance of your historical lands and I see how these lands are part of your heritage...

As you said, WHEN the borders are re-drawn, it is going to be hard for a 3 million state Armenia to inhabit a massive land - which already has a far majority Kurdish population... It would mean, realistically, to throw out every Kurdish family from these lands... That in itself would be a genocide... Which the Armenians were so unlucky to face themselves only 84 years ago...

I, like 99% of all Kurds recognize and apologise for the cruel acts that my nation has inflicted on you and your families...

Kurdistan and Armenia have historically had good relations - and we share so much in cultural terms - it's not always easy to separate the two...

When Turkey's oppressive regime falls - and democracy is given a chance, I hope historically important areas for Armenians in todays Turkey, like Ani, Qars and Ararat - which are close to the Armenian border, are given back to the Armenians...

It's a wish from my heart... Because although I wish you could get all of it back, I know it's not realistic, but a compromise may be possible...

Bijî Hayastan û Kurdistan!