West Armenia Or North Kurdistan?, Discussing the matter of land ownership... Options

[Dîrî]

Map from The Treaty of Sèvres:





Some questions to start the discussion:

1| Who inhabited these lands the last 200 years?

2| Who inhabits these lands now?

3| Who has legal rights to these lands?

4| Who legally owns these lands now?

5| What happened in these lands the last 100 years?



Before hand I would like to ask all trolls to bugger off to another thread... This thread is not a place for hate or rascism - nor am I going to tolerate any insults on any of the parts discussed...

Please be civil and polite...

[Dîrî]

sohrab..this is the meaning of your name: From name Suhrab which came from "Shahname" by Firdusi. It was also used as Zurab, Surab for short(surkh "red" and ab "water", "bright"). The corresponding surname is Zohrabyan.

So it's not Armenian?

You told me it's Armenian... What is "Red" and "Water" in Armenian?

You thought I didn't know the KURDISH ("Red Water") meaning of my name? Funny...


And as for the rest of your post... You are not being consistent... You say "Wilsonian Armenia" - but you are talking about "going all the way to cilicia" - which is FAR from Wilsonian Armenia...

but in the same way, what would all the countries which you seek to corrupt in order to form a kurdistan think?
what would the arab majorities think? they will just let you do it?

And you think the Kurds would just MOVE or leave their lands? They've been living there for centuries and milleniums... Are they suddenly going to go away since Wilsonian Armenia would mean "Christian" country?

I doubt there will be anything "Christian" about that country - unless it's a dictatorship... Because only a dictatorship can force millions of Kurds to "quiet"...

And for your information, there are 25-30 million Kurds in Turkey, not 10...

You exagerate the number of Armenians, yet you belittle the number of Kurds... Why is that? I don't see how you can be right about there being 10 million Armenians (I don't know where you got that many Armenians from)...

I will accept the number, since you as an Armenian should know... But then you should also accept this number: 30 million Kurds in Turkey - 20 million of whom live in North Kurdistan... And 10 million of whom live in Turkish Turkey - the cities...

In Wan alone today, there are 1 million Kurds... What are you gonna do with them?

[Urartu]

In Wan alone today, there are 1 million Kurds... What are you gonna do with them?

That’s funny; Van’s population is only 284,464. Yet there are over 1,000,000 Kurds Maybe you’re including the animals in the Van province as kurds as well?

[Dîrî]

That’s funny; Van’s population is only 284,464. Yet there are over 1,000,000 Kurds Maybe you’re including the animals in the Van province as kurds as well?

I don't think you know what your talking about... You just went on some stupid website and check some numbers...

And according to offcial numbers, the population of Ankara is 4 million... And officially the population of Istanbul is 9 million...

We all KNOW that those are not correct numbers... And if YOU had known why, you'd understand perhaps... So let me explain:

In Turkey, each province is given money annually (as part of their annual budget) according to the number of people who are registered in the province...

There are two reasons why the numbers are made less than what's true:

1) Turkey can't afford to hand out that much money each year to every regional administration...
2) Those who are registered in a different province, are not counted as part of the provincial population...
3) In the case of the Kurdish areas, Turkey doesn't want to spend money on them at all... So they always underestimate for two reasons:
A) To not give them more money
B) To belittle the number of Kurds in Turkey


There has been an influx of people moving to Wan since the 1990's...