West Armenia Or North Kurdistan?, Discussing the matter of land ownership... Options

[Dîrî]

Map from The Treaty of Sèvres:





Some questions to start the discussion:

1| Who inhabited these lands the last 200 years?

2| Who inhabits these lands now?

3| Who has legal rights to these lands?

4| Who legally owns these lands now?

5| What happened in these lands the last 100 years?



Before hand I would like to ask all trolls to bugger off to another thread... This thread is not a place for hate or rascism - nor am I going to tolerate any insults on any of the parts discussed...

Please be civil and polite...

[Hosank]

extreme right wing

thank you, i am a rightwinger.

The only person who has shown moderation and a will to compromise, is Irlandahay

lol, you would be surprised. irlandahye believes in quite the same ideology as i, if not more.

I am not in either of the two boots

i do not agree. you are quite pro larger kurdistan, i mean, you rmap shows your ententions, of placing Van, the original city founded by armenians, as a kurdish province. that does not work for me.

and you keep trying to make it seem ever more complicated to gain a greater armenia, at your own uplifting, as a kurd nation.

i am the one being moderate, for not asking for a country that extends all the way to the Mediterranean, which, is still technically part of the armenian plateau/heartland. you on the other hand want all the lands given to armenia (safe kars, ani and ararat) in a legal treaty of sevres, not even 87 years ago, as part of a kurdistan, that has been regulated by no international treaty. you also got a country at sevres, why do you absolutely need ours???

you keep grossly inflating the numbers of kurds in the region of wilsonian armenia, and you keep forgetting that there arn't only 10 million 'kurds' as you say, but also 'turks' and let us not forget ( i hope you watched my video) that alot of these people that you call 'kurd' and 'turk' are actually armenians.

another point that seems to have completely slipped your mind is that, (besides the fact that kurds have only been living in wilsonian armenia for 88 years or so) is that kurds have, for centuries, up to just recently, been nomads. so if they didn't mind getting their caravans into my country 88 years ago, i don't see why they would have a problem getting them out today.

once again, i give you the example of right of return laws by greece, germany and isreal, where all peoples across the world of such origin are allowed to return and get citizenship in their native country.
this is the same for armenia, where if you can prove having at least one armenian grandparent, you are granted citizenship. this would be good enough, in the future, to repopulate the lands we have lost.

likewise, with a free and independent kurdistan just south of the border, what kurd would like to stay in a larger christian armenia? many of them would surely move on their own free will just for that reason.

do not try to accuse us of extremism.

the land we claim is this:


and the land you claim is


are we really the extremists??

think about that.
and remember this. it is my land, i do not hate kurds, but if i will fight a turk for it, i will have no problem fighting a kurd for it. the remnants of my ancestors have no more right to be in kurdish hands then turkish.