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 West Armenia Or North Kurdistan?, Discussing the matter of land ownership... |
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 05/07/07 07:26 PM
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Conflict/Cultural/Country Interest: armenia, turkey, azerbaijan, mostly, ...christian lebanon...
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QUOTE And no, you are not only "hostile" - you also consider yourself better than the Kurds no, i do not consider myself better than anyone, i consider myself to be the rightful owner of my homeland.as i told you earlier, i greatly respect kurds, but my love for my homeland is greater then my respect for any nation QUOTE questioning if the Kurds understand the concept of "fatherland"... no, but i question your view of a homeland. i do no know too much about kurds, but i do know that for a long time they were seminomadic. and that though they lived on their land for a long time, they have also shared it with many other peoples: armenian, Assyrians, turkomens, arabs, thus making kurdistan a sort of communal living area for many different peoples, many regions of which contain a kurdish majority. the armenian homeland however, has been totally armenian...for just about ever, with the exeption of arab, persian and turkish minorities who have taken over the armenian lands. only in recent times, about 100 to 150 years ago, did we begin to share our land with muslimised armenians, converted into turks, real turks, and kurds. point being, that i think that our vision of a fatherland is quite different. armenians are one with their land, our churches, monasteries, cemeteries, monuments and so on have stood on the land, we are permanently sown to it. i do not know of many prominent kurdish artwork, or religious sites that have stood for thousands of years, north of the city of Van. part of being armenian is being attached to the land, no matter how far away from it you are, even if you arn't born on it. seeing as kurds are nomadic, i don't know if you understand our concept of the land, maybe you have your own, and i may be wrong.. i will find you those statistics if you wish. give me some time
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05/08/07 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(Rumtaya @ 05/08/07 10:21 AM) [snapback]108794[/snapback] Simple because, other people come kill you and overtake your lands... i.e it belongs then to another, who is not that indiginous to that area, but just a "conquer"... Bad explenation... Only SOME Kurds were invovled in the Genocide... Not all... Less than half of all Kurds were invovled... And many helped and saved many Christians...
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05/08/07 12:38 PM
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QUOTE Kurds are not any more nomadic than the Armenians... 5000 years ago, the armenian mythical leader haik migrated to and founded the city of van. since then, armenians have been quite sedentary. not like kurds. yes it is true that not all kurds were involved in the genocide, and that some did save armenians (raising armenian girls as wives, or boys as kurds, i do not consider saving, btw) and i never brought the genocide issue up, i do not blame kurds for the genocide, but that's no reason for you to live on our lands./
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05/20/07 01:49 AM
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 @ Davit Bijît means "May (it) live" =) Or simply "Live"... I explained it before... Not the F word... 0_o You can be a brother too Davit... It's up to you... @Hosank QUOTE euh..right...biji kurdistan as well... Hahaha Now that's cute! But I truly mean it...
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05/20/07 02:09 PM
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Conflict/Cultural/Country Interest: ARMENIA!
i am half irish half armenian, ireland is free from england, but armenia has yet to be free from the clutches of turkey
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 05/20/07 06:42 PM) [snapback]109628[/snapback] good, let's all bijit with each other okok hosank! he was only being nice, no need to make fun! Bijit Diri!  PS: Bijit, Hosank, Davo, Ahmedinejad, Jesus, Pedro, Wang-ping...
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05/21/07 01:50 AM
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Bijî Irlandahay! Bijî Hosank! Bijî Davit! Bijî Chaldean! Bijî Rumtaya! Bijî Veritas! Bijî Damail! Bijî Yerevan! Bijî Kurdistani! Bijî Sanharib! Bijî Intergalacticman! Bijî HayArsen! Bijî Ishkhan! Bijî all other's whom I forgot - but whom deserve a big "BIJÎ!!!"
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05/21/07 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(veritas @ 05/20/07 09:16 PM) [snapback]109651[/snapback] hey Diri its been a while!
tu bechker hati brother! Roj baş birayê hêja (good day dear brother)! Gelek sipas bo xoş xastina te (thank you for your well wishing)! Yeah it's been a while since last  I have an exam on Tuesday... And I'm moving soon - so a lot is happening... But I always return to MEIC... I miss my brothers and sisters...
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05/23/07 10:17 PM
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Poster 300
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Conflict/Cultural/Country Interest: im armenian im 14 years old im cristian im not interested in any other culters like muslim because tahts wrong and muslim suck.lol
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QUOTE(Dîrî @ 05/21/07 01:50 AM) [snapback]109666[/snapback] Bijî Irlandahay! Bijî Hosank! Bijî Davit!
Bijî Chaldean! Bijî Rumtaya! Bijî Veritas! Bijî Damail! Bijî Yerevan! Bijî Kurdistani! Bijî Sanharib! Bijî Intergalacticman! Bijî HayArsen! Bijî Ishkhan! Bijî all other's whom I forgot - but whom deserve a big "BIJÎ!!!" yeeeesss im in the list 
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05/25/07 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(Dîrî @ 05/21/07 02:50 AM) [snapback]109666[/snapback] Bijî Irlandahay! Bijî Hosank! Bijî Davit! Bijî Chaldean! Bijî Rumtaya! Bijî Veritas! Bijî Damail! Bijî Yerevan! Bijî Kurdistani! Bijî Sanharib! Bijî Intergalacticman! Bijî HayArsen! Bijî Ishkhan! Bijî all other's whom I forgot - but whom deserve a big "BIJÎ!!!" Lol, I guess I'm not even in those who you forgot.....
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06/02/07 08:36 PM
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Conflict/Cultural/Country Interest: ARMENIA!
i am half irish half armenian, ireland is free from england, but armenia has yet to be free from the clutches of turkey
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 06/02/07 06:06 PM) [snapback]110449[/snapback] lol, it was just a joke playing on irony.
and tolerance is not the first quality that irlandahye has, trust me..
anyways, tolerance is for the weak. im a nationalist, not a bloody cosmopolitan haha I'm far from being tolerant...I'm just logical. and again, I'd take all non armenians and put them on a boat if my antion depended on it... I'm a nationnalist as hosank said...not a bloody cosmopolitan! Hails
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06/05/07 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(arrow @ 06/05/07 01:36 PM) [snapback]110730[/snapback] After reading all the posts i really started to believe that we need someone with a cooler head to take over all these lands and rule it for us.
God, it looks like we are all going to kill each other for land, history and god knows what else..
And we all keep claiming that our cultures go back milleniums..... That's why I say no need for imperialism. Lets get to it with unoppressive democratic federalism. QUOTE(Glock21 @ 06/05/07 07:11 AM) [snapback]110696[/snapback] Can you ask God what Saturday's winning lottery numbers are? LOL! God has no interest in greed and material possessions. If you care to disagree, then you know nothing about god and sin. But if you want to know the lottery numbers, then please be specific of which lottery you wish to talk about.
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06/05/07 06:38 PM
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Conflict/Cultural/Country Interest: ARMENIA!
i am half irish half armenian, ireland is free from england, but armenia has yet to be free from the clutches of turkey
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QUOTE(arrow @ 06/05/07 07:33 PM) [snapback]110728[/snapback] That was probably what the Ottomans thought before sending the Armenians to Syria. Isn't it ironic to see that history keeps repeating itself with the slight difference of the roles... Really... because I recall deporting troublesome minorities when the ottomans commited full scale, well organised and systematic genocide! not moving away no, GENOCIDE! there is a firm deifference and before you start talking you should understand what they are. Also, if you knew the least bit about us or the situation we are in, you would understand why we trust only armenians and why it is crucial to keep ourselves alive. history does repeat itself. no one stopped the turks in 1915 and no one is stopping them now while they try to eradicate the Kurds. Turkey was never a victim...smarten up!
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06/05/07 08:39 PM
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Poster 200
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Conflict/Cultural/Country Interest: ARMENIA, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, India, Israel/Palestine
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honestly arrow, that would be awesome if someone with a cooler head could rule the middle east, but its been done before, and it failed( ie:british)
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