West Armenia Or North Kurdistan?, Discussing the matter of land ownership... Options

[Hosank]

that's what im saying, armenia was a kingdom, within an empire..

[Darkseid]

that's what im saying, armenia was a kingdom, within an empire..

It was a state. It might have had a king, but the king wasn't really independent of rule to be a true king. This isn't like the king of saudi arabia who could do anything he wants. This was a king bounded to the rules of his superior, the emperor of Byzantium.

[prot9999]

It was a state. It might have had a king, but the king wasn't really independent of rule to be a true king. This isn't like the king of saudi arabia who could do anything he wants. This was a king bounded to the rules of his superior, the emperor of Byzantium.

Thanks Darkseid,

Because, they do not believe this when the we tell Armenians. Perhaps they believe recently. Mislead the history always and their stupid state reaches as has interpreted according to the themselves.

Regards,

[Hosank]

prot, before you comment on other peoples history, i suggest that you really look into yours..

and, the armenian king would be allowed to make his policies, raise armies and collect taxes, and when they did not agree with the bizantines, they took it out on the battle field...what im saying is that the armenian kingdom was more in a loose confederacy with byzantium rather then a vassal state..

[prot9999]

The I am sharpening my own history. More good than the you perhaps I am sharpening the your history. The you see and learn the truths early. Last 1200 intimidates never the state did not become Armenia. The Armenia be today the Russia 's province. The reason be still a denial you are do? Will the you make the history valuable the history?


Canada one you become her country? France her Armenian country? USA? Armenian have mixed with at the state nevermore. A truth and her Armenian natural country be not.

Regards,

[HayArsen]

The I am sharpening my own history. More good than the you perhaps I am sharpening the your history. The you see and learn the truths early. Last 1200 intimidates never the state did not become Armenia. The Armenia be today the Russia 's province. The reason be still a denial you are do? Will the you make the history valuable the history?


Canada one you become her country? France her Armenian country? USA? Armenian have mixed with at the state nevermore. A truth and her Armenian natural country be not.

Regards,

Armenian territories were greater during the first republic then right now.

P.S. Whatever you wrote does not make much sense.

REGARDS?,

[Hosank]

yah, seriously, i don't understand a word he said..

look prot, i know my history quite well, much better then you do, i am quite aware, and have never claimed anything other then armenia was not a sovereign state for many years of it's history, but that does not mean that because there was no independent armenia, there was no armenian people..

look, there is no independent kurdistan, but there is still a people who calls itself 'kurd'

[Darkseid]

Thanks Darkseid,

Because, they do not believe this when the we tell Armenians. Perhaps they believe recently. Mislead the history always and their stupid state reaches as has interpreted according to the themselves.

Regards,

You'd just agreed to someone who is basically going to kick Turkey off the map.

yah, seriously, i don't understand a word he said..

look prot, i know my history quite well, much better then you do, i am quite aware, and have never claimed anything other then armenia was not a sovereign state for many years of it's history, but that does not mean that because there was no independent armenia, there was no armenian people..

look, there is no independent kurdistan, but there is still a people who calls itself 'kurd'

You and prot are extremists seeking to gain an unrealistically large portion of land. According to god, neither of the two of you could be right. The truth lies between. Truth can always be found between two extremes. In association to how much of an extremist each of you is will determine which of you is more right than the other.

[Hosank]

i am no extremist, i am a patriot, trying to restore a small portion of the prestige of my ancient people, destroyed by central asian animals.
prot is a brainwashed racist irrealist, and you my friend, are a godless, nationless, convictionless, cosmopolitan, so before you pass judgements on me, i suggest that you reconsider your own stance.

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i am no extremist, i am a patriot, trying to restore a small portion of the prestige of my ancient people, destroyed by central asian animals.

You are not an extremeist or a patriot, you are a racist. You are trying to live in the past, an utopia that is never going to happen. And while doinbg this you are annoying too many people your nation is going into an isolation.

I hope you can find a way out, I seriously do so.

[Hosank]

lol, a racist? how?

and, i doubt that it is my country that is ever isolating itself, for it is not my country that genocided greeks, Assyrians and armenians, it is not my country that invaded cyprus, it is not my country that is illegally blockading it's neigbhour, it is not my country that has been massacring kurds for the past 30 years, my country does not have the highest rate of tortured children, child pornography or journalists in jail, my country does not use military and economic threats against western countries that have recognised the injustice done, such as canada, france, swizerland, the US, and my country is certainly not invading northern irak as we speak..

And while doinbg this you are annoying too many people your nation is going into an isolation.

so you suggest that we armenians forget what has been done to us, because, after all, destroying 3/4s of our population is not important to human history, and it's not like you turks haven't learned your lesson..
oh wait, it seems you haven't, (greece, cyprus, kurdistan, etc).

you see turk, if we all just forget what you did to us, the genocide would be a fait accomplit, you will have committed a crime against humanity, and gotten away with it to.
obviously, what we armenians are doing is nothing close to wrong, since every year, we get more and more countries to recognise the genocide, and to put pressure on yours.

[intergalacticman]

lol, a racist? how?

and, i doubt that it is my country that is ever isolating itself, for it is not my country that genocided greeks, Assyrians and armenians, it is not my country that invaded cyprus, it is not my country that is illegally blockading it's neigbhour, it is not my country that has been massacring kurds for the past 30 years, my country does not have the highest rate of tortured children, child pornography or journalists in jail, my country does not use military and economic threats against western countries that have recognised the injustice done, such as canada, france, swizerland, the US, and my country is certainly not invading northern irak as we speak..
so you suggest that we armenians forget what has been done to us, because, after all, destroying 3/4s of our population is not important to human history, and it's not like you turks haven't learned your lesson..
oh wait, it seems you haven't, (greece, cyprus, kurdistan, etc).

you see turk, if we all just forget what you did to us, the genocide would be a fait accomplit, you will have committed a crime against humanity, and gotten away with it to.
obviously, what we armenians are doing is nothing close to wrong, since every year, we get more and more countries to recognise the genocide, and to put pressure on yours.

AMEN!!

[Hosank]

thank yee

[arrow]

lol, a racist? how?

and, i doubt that it is my country that is ever isolating itself, for it is not my country that genocided greeks, Assyrians and armenians, it is not my country that invaded cyprus, it is not my country that is illegally blockading it's neigbhour, it is not my country that has been massacring kurds for the past 30 years, my country does not have the highest rate of tortured children, child pornography or journalists in jail, my country does not use military and economic threats against western countries that have recognised the injustice done, such as canada, france, swizerland, the US, and my country is certainly not invading northern irak as we speak..
so you suggest that we armenians forget what has been done to us, because, after all, destroying 3/4s of our population is not important to human history, and it's not like you turks haven't learned your lesson..
oh wait, it seems you haven't, (greece, cyprus, kurdistan, etc).

you see turk, if we all just forget what you did to us, the genocide would be a fait accomplit, you will have committed a crime against humanity, and gotten away with it to.
obviously, what we armenians are doing is nothing close to wrong, since every year, we get more and more countries to recognise the genocide, and to put pressure on yours.

You are really living in a dream...

It is easy to put the blame on someone else all the time but the truth is still there.

Turkiye is far from isolation, last time I checked we are one of the greatest economies on all Earth (22nd), recieve and host over 10 million tourists every year, a member of NATO and a possible member of EU ( god help us I don't want to be in EU ). Everywhere needed our army is called for help ( Afganistan, Kosova, Korea, etc ) and eventhough we have our differences we are actually having good trade and social relations with Greece.

Blockade... Untill you go to a court, prove your claims you will live that blockade. ANd there is no such thing as an illegal blockade, my land , my airspace, my trade options..... So if I were you, I'd get used to living a poor life becouse it seems your nation is gonna be poor for the rest 50-60 years.

And to tell me that my state is undemocratic is a joke. Since when armenia is democratic? Seriously, when will mobsters, thugs will leave the throne and go to jail?

And for the last time I am not telling you to forget anything. I am telling you " if you are so sure about your claims, have all the documents to prove it, the just go and sue us. You are not going to achieve anything unless you take such action. The rest of the world will just pat your shoulders and tell you how sorry they feel but they will spend the summer here in Turkiye. It is Armenia and Turkiye that will solve the problems not anybody else. You should have seen the hypocracy of the greater nations by now. You trusted Russia and France in WW1, they both let you down."

Ps: I feel no pressure on me about Canada or any other nations recognising the genocide..... I still can sell my goods with extereme profit in Canada and live a cosy life. This is the support you get from them.

[Hosank]

i don't think that 22nd would be considered 'one of the largest economies of the world'. you were a nato member because you were the west's ##### towards the soviet union, now that that dissapeared, trust me, your role in NATO is looking more and more useless. the only reason you were supported by the west was being a buffer against the soviets, and a market for their goods.

oh yes, the brilliant contribution of turkey in korea, and kosovo, lol..thank you turkey, we couldn't have done it without you.

a blockade is illegal by definition.
see, it is illegal in 2 ways. one, turkey is creating a barrier to free trade, by not allowing armenians to sell their goods into turkey, and at the same time, not letting it's own commercial interests to be sold into armenia, something that would greatly improve the economic situation in both those countries.
second, you are forbidding international trade to and from armenia, with other countries in the world, something that you should have no right on, since you are isolating a country.

lol go to court with it. it's not that easy. who is going to represent the whole of the armenian people? the only one that can, is the armenian government, which, unfortunately is a new republic, with very little funds, and incomplete archives of it's own. it can be done, but will take alot of time, and may be jealous.
however, over the past decade, many individual armenians have taken to doing so. maybe not the turkish government directly, but many armenians in turkey had foreign insurance policies, many of us today have gone, and claimed the insurance, many have also settled land claims with the turkish government (those who still had their proof of ownership) so on and so on..

and i agree with you, it is armenia and turkey who will settle this, and that is what i have been talking about all along.
i do not believe the western powers will simply come to our aid, for we armenians have learned our lesson about itt in 1915, as well as 1923, and so on. we will take our lands on our own, by force if we have to. yes, i may be living in a dream world, but what is a world without dreams? if you try, you may fail, but if you don't try, you know you will fail...
do not think for a second, that when you put down a people that they will stay down.

[arrow]

i don't think that 22nd would be considered 'one of the largest economies of the world'. you were a nato member because you were the west's ##### towards the soviet union, now that that dissapeared, trust me, your role in NATO is looking more and more useless. the only reason you were supported by the west was being a buffer against the soviets, and a market for their goods.

oh yes, the brilliant contribution of turkey in korea, and kosovo, lol..thank you turkey, we couldn't have done it without you.

a blockade is illegal by definition.
see, it is illegal in 2 ways. one, turkey is creating a barrier to free trade, by not allowing armenians to sell their goods into turkey, and at the same time, not letting it's own commercial interests to be sold into armenia, something that would greatly improve the economic situation in both those countries.
second, you are forbidding international trade to and from armenia, with other countries in the world, something that you should have no right on, since you are isolating a country.

lol go to court with it. it's not that easy. who is going to represent the whole of the armenian people? the only one that can, is the armenian government, which, unfortunately is a new republic, with very little funds, and incomplete archives of it's own. it can be done, but will take alot of time, and may be jealous.
however, over the past decade, many individual armenians have taken to doing so. maybe not the turkish government directly, but many armenians in turkey had foreign insurance policies, many of us today have gone, and claimed the insurance, many have also settled land claims with the turkish government (those who still had their proof of ownership) so on and so on..

and i agree with you, it is armenia and turkey who will settle this, and that is what i have been talking about all along.
i do not believe the western powers will simply come to our aid, for we armenians have learned our lesson about itt in 1915, as well as 1923, and so on. we will take our lands on our own, by force if we have to. yes, i may be living in a dream world, but what is a world without dreams? if you try, you may fail, but if you don't try, you know you will fail...
do not think for a second, that when you put down a people that they will stay down.

Yesterday NATO general secretary was here asking for more troops. I guess you are right, we are useless.
e they could have done it without us but we will never know since we were in those areas and we are still in Afganistan contributing. 1 is better than 0 which is in this case you are 0.

Going to court is pretty easy and will cost you nothing. And aşş those things you wrote are excuses which day by day are looking funnier.

Nice one on taking by force

[Hosank]

actually, armenia has troops in kosovo and irak.

those arn't excuses..i don't see where you see excuses..

[intergalacticman]

Blockade... Untill you go to a court, prove your claims you will live that blockade. ANd there is no such thing as an illegal blockade, my land , my airspace, my trade options..... So if I were you, I'd get used to living a poor life becouse it seems your nation is gonna be poor for the rest 50-60 years.

im not going to waste time arguing with everything you say today, but i noticed a huge mistake. The treaty of Kars, signed in 1922, states that the peoples of the two countries be able to cross the border freely. this treaty is still in effect, and thus the blockade violates that treaty, therefore illegal. Any questions?

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the governments of Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan have all accepted the Kars treaty. Armenian Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian reaffirmed Armenia's recognition of the treaty on December 13, 2006. "Armenia has never made a problem of validity of the Treaty of Kars, as Armenia remains loyal to all agreements inherited from the Soviet Union," he said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Kar...-Soviet_history

Text of the treaty:

Article VII

The Government of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey and the Government of SSRG agree to facilitate the crossing of the border by the inhabitants of the bordering zones, on condition of the observance of the customs, police, and sanitary regulations which shall be established in this regard by a mixed commission.

http://groong.usc.edu/treaties/kars.html

[Darkseid]

i am no extremist, i am a patriot

You are going a little too overboard in being a patriot.

trying to restore a small portion of the prestige of my ancient people, destroyed by central asian animals.

That is a pretty much extremist way to say patriotism. Any means of trying to expand boarders of your land is by definition a form of extreme patriotism. Nazism, Zionism, Baathism, and fascism are all forms of extreme patriotism.

prot is a brainwashed racist irrealist, and you my friend, are a godless, nationless, convictionless, cosmopolitan

Now here is where you going too far and personal with the insults.

I'm not nationless. I believe there should be nations, but these nations would interact in a much more organized and federalized version of our United Nations' Organization. I'm not Godless, I do believe in god. I am not convictionless, I do have my own beliefs and confidense. I don't have any self-confidence, but I do possess confidence in other degrees that a selfish person such as yourseld could never comprehend. But I am a cosmopolitan in very much the same way as Jesus Christ and God himself. Thanks for showwing that truth. I have more in common with your messiah than you could ever achieve. And it's not only true, it is also undeniable.

Also, Prot is no different than yourself. Just on the otherside of this extremist spectrum between your people.

so before you pass judgements on me, i suggest that you reconsider your own stance.

Don't make me waste time trying to judge myself, when I do such every day of my life.

[prot9999]

i am no extremist, i am a patriot, trying to restore a small portion of the prestige of my ancient people, destroyed by central asian animals.

prot is a brainwashed racist irrealist, and you my friend, are a godless, nationless, convictionless, cosmopolitan, so before you pass judgements on me, i suggest that you reconsider your own stance.

Armenians general whole. Every time the superior human and God's selected man. Old at the old waterfall humans but Asian destroyed the them(!). Always a same situation. Polite has behaved the here and which has tell only animal. Actually swearing do and the insult wants to do. She wants perhaps that kill the me at the line at that moment. Because I'm a "denier" according to the her. I am refusing unripe genocide. I want an indication and evidence. The she is attaching the me her disgusting Asian defeatist name. To many interpretations I think that there be not a need. This are racism and fascism. Adequate that the I become Turk or Muslim for the her.

I want to ask a question: Why today be you don't Muslim? Or why you are not talking Turkish language? Because all Africa, old colonies, America and more countries be not talking native languages.

Haha! I'm never do brainwashed. You don't recognized yet a brainwashed Turk. I hope more after than this you do not recognize. Because they do not speak like the me, Arrow or Mordoth.

actually, armenia has troops in kosovo and irak.

those arn't excuses..i don't see where you see excuses..

And Lebanon? A very Armenian citizen is living in the Lebanon. Why do you not have soldiers in the Lebanon ? You get angry to the us when the we sent soldier. We sent the Lebanon military for the everybody. Your humans inside. Here the you racialistic. You think only yourselves. You do protestation shows at there before coming. We sent there soldier for the everybody. She bends Armenian not will protect at there if an attack becomes the our soldier repeatedly? Do you think will the we do differentiation? Turkey 16 joined her NATO operations until the today. We lose 741 soldier in Korea. At the other NATO operations 500's to the soot we lose close military. How many did the your soldier at your died NATO operations? You have sent 10 soldier to the Iraq. Is what do the Armenian soldiers at there? They are becoming at only there you to the soot the we you are boasting a flagpole. Today at Kosova, Afghanistan, Bosnia how much Turkish military reaches do you know? Be the NATO Kosova commander who today do you know? These be here the your as stupid what politics evidences which you do. You do not know the Turkey.

"Regards", yes, what are you missing? Used I think which not becoming a sentence.

[HayArsen]

Armenian troops in Iraq mainly act as engineers. Yes we have not sent many. We do not a big population and I don't see why would we send lots of soldiers in Iraq. We have enough enemies in that zone as it is. Aggravating Al-Quaida is the last thing we want to do.

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@Intergalactigman...

You are funny. Almost on every topic you are talking about how you will kick us out of your so called homelands and still want us to honor a treaty...

I guess you first need to settle things about your demands and then come asking us to open our borders.

Untill then if you want to go USA or from USA to armenia you'll need to bypass our airspace.

And as a side note, any government in Turkiye that dares open the border with armenia before any solutions with the current problems, would be the greatest example of political suicide.

Solution first, trade and tourism later, ok?

[arrow]

Armenian troops in Iraq mainly act as engineers. Yes we have not sent many. We do not a big population and I don't see why would we send lots of soldiers in Iraq. We have enough enemies in that zone as it is. Aggravating Al-Quaida is the last thing we want to do.

You are already an infidel according to EL Kaide. Wether you participate in Iraq or not will change nothing. When they think that they are done in Iraq they will eventually come ofter the regions infidel states / nations...

And if your army is so small how come you will take your motherlands back from us

[HayArsen]

You are already an infidel according to EL Kaide. Wether you participate in Iraq or not will change nothing. When they think that they are done in Iraq they will eventually come ofter the regions infidel states / nations...

And if your army is so small how come you will take your motherlands back from us

#1 I couldn't care less about El Kaide/Al Qaida or whatever its called
#2 I don't believe we will take the lands anytime soon

[irlandahay]

The I am sharpening my own history. More good than the you perhaps I am sharpening the your history. The you see and learn the truths early. Last 1200 intimidates never the state did not become Armenia. The Armenia be today the Russia 's province. The reason be still a denial you are do? Will the you make the history valuable the history?


Canada one you become her country? France her Armenian country? USA? Armenian have mixed with at the state nevermore. A truth and her Armenian natural country be not.

Regards,

Prot..since when do they let you use the computer in a mental institution?

can you please try to make sense of what ever it is your trying to say because we here in Canada are having quite the good laugh!

[irlandahay]

And if your army is so small how come you will take your motherlands back from us

how bout you ask azerbaijan what our small army did to them

[HayArsen]

how bout you ask azerbaijan what our small army did to them

I know what we did

[arrow]

how bout you ask azerbaijan what our small army did to them

We are not Azarbaycan are we now

And if you don't believe me go ask Greeks in Cyprus or your grandfathers

[intergalacticman]

no one said you were

[arrow]

no one said you were

Correct, and thus we will not be played like them.

[Hosank]

I'm not nationless. I believe there should be nations,

yet you cannot claim to belong to one..

but you see, (actually, i don't even see why im aruing with you) armenians do not wish to create some pan aryan empire or what ever you seem to think when talking about expanding borders...we simply want to expand INTO OUR OWN HOMELAND..if you are so against zionism, fascism and so on, why do you not attack the turks who have expanded their homeland all the way from outer mongolia...to anatolia???

I have more in common with your messiah than you could ever achieve

oh did i mention psychodic?

Don't make me waste time trying to judge myself, when I do such every day of my life.

keep trying..

Every time the superior human and God's selected man. Old at the old waterfall humans but Asian destroyed the them

prot, we are tought in school that there is no such thing as superior men, but, let's just follow your theory..please explain to me how a nomadic, barbaric, sheep hurding, yurt building child murdering people be the superior form of the human species...

[quote]A very Armenian citizen is living in the Lebanon. Why do you not have soldiers in the Lebanon ? [quote]
see turk, unlike you we do not send soldiers everywhere we have population, in order to 'protect', like you did in cyprus, and are doing in irak today..

anyways, i didn't understand most of the rest of what you said, so i will simply dismiss it

[arrow]

yet you cannot claim to belong to one..


see turk, unlike you we do not send soldiers everywhere we have population, in order to 'protect', like you did in cyprus, and are doing in irak today..

anyways, i didn't understand most of the rest of what you said, so i will simply dismiss it

Altough I love to watch you 2 have your foreplay I have to intervene for a minute.

1- We expanded our homelands to Europe and even Africa. Todays Hungary is named after the Huns of Europe.

2- Prot ment there are ermeni citizens in Lubnan but they are not servin in its army. I don't know where he got that information though.

3- You talk of Cyprus all the time but you never mention anything about EOKA, ENOSIS and coup de tat... Maybe you'd stop being a side in Greek vs Turk argument but be a little objective.

4- When did we invade Iraq again ??

ps: sorry for the interruption, please continue

[irlandahay]

We are not Azarbaycan are we now

And if you don't believe me go ask Greeks in Cyprus or your grandfathers

I never said I will kill and destroy every turk in turkey. obviously we ar no match for you.

in fact, I dont want all our original lands. We dont even have the people to inhabit them. all I want is acknowledgment of the sufferings of our people, of aid money which is 90 years overdue, and that our sacred monuments that prove that we were the original inhabitants be restored instead of destroyed, and also that we dont have to put turkish flags over everything like were in love with your damn country or something.

and you just admitted to committing genocide mate...good work

[irlandahay]

Altough I love to watch you 2 have your foreplay I have to intervene for a minute.

1- We expanded our homelands to Europe and even Africa. Todays Hungary is named after the Huns of Europe.

2- Prot ment there are ermeni citizens in Lubnan but they are not servin in its army. I don't know where he got that information though.

3- You talk of Cyprus all the time but you never mention anything about EOKA, ENOSIS and coup de tat... Maybe you'd stop being a side in Greek vs Turk argument but be a little objective.

4- When did we invade Iraq again ??

ps: sorry for the interruption, please continue

1- Hungary is named after the Huns, not the turks

2- Armenians actively participate in every country they settle.

3-EOKA and ENOSIS have done some stupid things but none of it would have happened if the turks hadn't settled and tryed to genocide the people there...like they do everywhere else for that matter.

4- I heard the turkish armed shepherds started shelling in the north, not sure but then again I'm not the one who brought it up.

and prot why are you still here? do you not understand that no one cares or even pays any attention to you? your a joke seriously!

[arrow]

1- Hungary is named after the Huns, not the turks

Huns are the Turks.

2- Armenians actively participate in every country they settle.

They should do so and good for them.

3-EOKA and ENOSIS have done some stupid things but none of it would have happened if the turks hadn't settled and tryed to genocide the people there...like they do everywhere else for that matter.

Well UN, UK, USA says the otherway around but probalby you are right. We genocide everyone just for the fun of it

4- I heard the turkish armed shepherds started shelling in the north, not sure but then again I'm not the one who brought it up.

Yes you didn't bring it up, Hosank did. And this was a question at Hosank. Read before you post

and prot why are you still here? do you not understand that no one cares or even pays any attention to you? your a joke seriously!

We all love him

[irlandahay]

Huns are the Turks.
They should do so and good for them.
Well UN, UK, USA says the otherway around but probalby you are right. We genocide everyone just for the fun of it
Yes you didn't bring it up, Hosank did. And this was a question at Hosank. Read before you post
We all love him

Huns are a mongoloid tribe who went west and challenged the roman empire and eventually settled in Hungary. Turks are a mongoloid race who went south and gang banged a bunch of local inhabitants, raped, slaughtered and pillaged, then settled the lands previously inhabited by their victims and now claim to have always been there. the only thing you two have in common is your mongoloidness, wich only proves our point that you should go back to where you came from...eastern mongolia!

UN recognised the genocide, Usa is 40 out of 50 states and UK is the USA's ######. USA only wants you for your strategic importance. why do you think they supply all these weapons? your their pawn and you dont even know it. but its good they invaded iraq you know why? once it becomes more stable, they wont need your filthy turk infested country anymore! already they are starting to turn on you. the airspace provocations,t he warnings against attacking kirkuk. You may think your all tough, but you wield to the US.

It is a forum and I'm aloud to answer where I want. I said what I knew and hoped it would help.

"we all love him", and then you tell others to speak for themselves?

[arrow]

Huns are a mongoloid tribe who went west and challenged the roman empire and eventually settled in Hungary. Turks are a mongoloid race who went south and gang banged a bunch of local inhabitants, raped, slaughtered and pillaged, then settled the lands previously inhabited by their victims and now claim to have always been there. the only thing you two have in common is your mongoloidness, wich only proves our point that you should go back to where you came from...eastern mongolia!

UN recognised the genocide, Usa is 40 out of 50 states and UK is the USA's ######. USA only wants you for your strategic importance. why do you think they supply all these weapons? your their pawn and you dont even know it. but its good they invaded iraq you know why? once it becomes more stable, they wont need your filthy turk infested country anymore! already they are starting to turn on you. the airspace provocations,t he warnings against attacking kirkuk. You may think your all tough, but you wield to the US.

It is a forum and I'm aloud to answer where I want. I said what I knew and hoped it would help.

"we all love him", and then you tell others to speak for themselves?

Yes Huns and Turks and Mongols are the same or related.

UN also blamed Greek Cypriots for agreesion from 1960 to 1974. When their warnings didn't work we did the job ourselves.

Please feel free to type anything you like anywhere you like.

We as in Turks....

[Mordoth]

I know what we did

Oui , Etudiant .

=)

You 've fought with Turkish civilians, and so ? Is that the only thing you know ?

[Hosank]

the huns didn't even stay in hungary..
they left after several years.

and, the huns are related to the ancestors of the mongols and the turks, but that does not mean they are turks. look...in the same way, the british are related to the germans, but we do not say, the german empire when referring to the british empire right?

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the huns didn't even stay in hungary..
they left after several years.

and, the huns are related to the ancestors of the mongols and the turks, but that does not mean they are turks. look...in the same way, the british are related to the germans, but we do not say, the german empire when referring to the british empire right?

Hun empire is the first Turkic empire Hosank. The remnants of Hun empire Built Gokturk empire and we are decendants of Hun empire.

From wikipedia ; "The Huns may be of Turkic origin. This school of thought emerged when Joseph de Guignes in the 18th century identified the Huns with the Xiongnu or (H)siung-nu.[5] It is supported by O. Maenchen-Helfen on the basis of his linguistic studies.[6][7] English scholar Peter Heather called the Huns "the first group of Turkic, as opposed to Iranian, nomads to have intruded into Europe".[8] Turkish researcher Kemal Cemal bolsters this assertion by showing similarities in words and names in Turkic and Hunnic languages, and similarities in systems of governance of Hunnic and Turkic tribes. Hungarian historian Gyula Nemeth also supports this view.[9] Uyghur historian Turghun Almas has suggested a link between the Huns and the Uyghurs, a Turkic speaking people who reside in Xinjiang, China."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns


They were one of the Turkic tribes that lived in the central Asia and combined the nomad tribes and started a campaign ( later to be copied by Cengiz of Mongols ) towards Europe. After Atilla the Turk died his empire divided into pieces ( as in Alexanders ) then disolved.

Their sucsessors the Gokturks ( also known as Kokturks ) regained control of all ex Hun empire with the exeption of Bulgars.

In the Orhun Kitabeleri ( Orhun stones found in syberia russia and they are from year 732) refers to Huns as their forefathers. It tells us about a breif history of HUns and how they were destroyed and how Gokturks were founded. Also warns the possible rulers of Gokturks not to make the same mistakes that Huns did.

PS: The Orhun Stones were found in 1899, so the wikipedia says the school of thought came out in 18th century which is about a century before they found the stones.

[davit]

hows it going everybody

its me im back from erevan.

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hows it going everybody

its me im back from erevan.

We all missed you

[Hosank]

davit..i just got to erevan..

euh..
and your article does not prove your point. your article says that it was suggested that the huns hav the same roots as the gogus turks, based on their political systems and some of the vocabulary..

that does not make the huns turks

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davit..i just got to erevan..

euh..
and your article does not prove your point. your article says that it was suggested that the huns hav the same roots as the gogus turks, based on their political systems and some of the vocabulary..

that does not make the huns turks

That article was written years before the stones were found. After the stones nobody even argues about Huns being Turkic. They are the first state founded by Turks.