QUOTE(Mordoth @ 04/25/07 07:51 PM) [snapback]107969[/snapback]
What kind of a contribution do those 2nd class subnations have ?
stoo , there is nothing to be taken / used of your vile traditions and culture .
Because , there is nothing within yours .
Astrology.com ? LoL ; it was Astronomy as far as i knew . ( Astrology is related to tarods and luck )
thaT'd not be a sufficient source .
LoL , producing wine belonged to other nations its origin is unknown .
Geometry was already being used in Egypt , whose owner was Turks . ( Remember that Geo means " terrain " and " metry " is something like "balance , adjust " )
Our ancestors , TURKs are the great grandpas of many modern day civilizations .
mordoth your arguments have quite an amount of flaws
first, just because the current government is relatively new, the inhabitants have resided there for longer than that. if i was to use your logic, turkey is new also, since its government was formed in 1920.
in ancient times astrology was quite comparable to astronomy, only because they lacked the knowledge to know about galxies or other space objects. ancient astronomers believed heavily in astrology, and thats how the constellatons originated from.
also, i doubt turkish edited documents are sufficient also mordoth.
of course, simple geometry was being used in egypt before armenia, yet thanks to our extensive trade and exploration, we came upon the geometry and helped advance it into complex geometry alongside greek scholars such as Pythagoras, oh wait are the greek subnations too?
also the meaning of the word geometry has nothing at all to do with this
but to clarify, i found this at thefreedictionary.com,
[Middle English geometrie, from Old French, from Latin gemetria, from Greek gemetri, from gemetrein, to measure land : ge-, geo- + metron, measure; see m-2 in Indo-European roots.]
also here is the history of wine, note that it came from georgia and iran and egypt.
i don't see central asia anywhere there mordoth
The earliest evidence suggesting wine production comes from archaeological sites in Georgia and Iran, dating from 6000 to 5000 BC. The archaeological evidence becomes clearer, and points to domestication of grapevine, in Early Bronze Age sites of the Near East, Sumer and Egypt from around the third millennium BC. In Egypt, wine became a part of recorded history, playing an important role in ancient ceremonial life.
QUOTE(Mordoth @ 04/25/07 08:25 PM) [snapback]107979[/snapback]
We speak about the newcome nations .
- It is ancient greek , true
No , their lifestyle , ceremonies , specializations of Gods ...etc , the route where they came from show that Their ancestors were Turkic .
It is because of Prune-Russians .
The tyranies of KGB still squeezes panTurkism in the region .
QUOTE(Mordoth @ 04/25/07 08:54 PM) [snapback]107988[/snapback]
No , Eastern Turks ( tatars ) and Western Turks are a little bit different .
There is still a Shamanist movement in Kazakstan .
YURT means " site " .
I meant their ILLITERACY , not the conditions of living . A small minority is Russianised .
I believe that ; Turks can REVIVE the Turanic Empire , the unification .
It should not be territorial union ; when all Turks can understand each other ; uniform language of Turkic world ; Turan is established .
Not everyone living in Middle East are Semitic . Semite means "Semoodh" in Turkish .
Hittites , Sumerians both called these tribesmen with no unification " Semoodh " .
Turks were THEISTs , not monotheists or polytheists . Ancestral Egyptian beliefs , gravestones , henges are in the fashion of the ones in Central Asia .
actually turkey originated from egypt, as did the majority of most civilizations. your gods are just adaptation of indo-asiatic gods.
also the ussr doesnt exist, and the influence of the KGB is minimal, and if the Russians are in hunnic lands, i doubt the KGB would have anything to do with it.
the meaning of yurt means nothing, useless info
good luck with your turkic empire man, but i think that the afghans, iranians, armenians, kurds, iraqis and others will have a problem with that. also if you actually hold true to your non territorial BS, the most you will have done is make a universal language, hardly an empire.
no one said everyone was semetic, some were Hittite, some were Aramean, and some were hunnic, like yourself.
also, how can you say you are theist?!
the definition is: Belief in the existence of a god or gods
, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world. that falls under monotheism or polytheism.
egyptians made obelisks and pyramids and catacombs for their dead, turks made burial mounds, i see no simmilarity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_burial
also, pyramids were made at c.2700−2200 BC, the first turkic state was created around 400 ADhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples#Turkic_roots