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I just wanted to know the situation in ermenistan, and after your elusieve answers I know that they are not allowed to discuss...

WOOOOOOOOOW MAN, JUST STOP BEING DUMB. STOP!!!!!!! I said there is no one who denies the Armenian genocide in Armenia to discuss with! They ARE allowed to discuss. Theirs just no one to discuss with! Fuging understand?!?!? Honestly Arrow, honestly. I have never met someone as stupid as you, never. I read what you right and I’m just in awe. I tell you the world is round and you say, “A HA! So the worlds flat? You admit it!”

If someone has ideas to harm someone there are police officers and laws, at least in a democratic state.
And talking about history, stateing your ideas about a historical debate won't make you a bad person, at the very worst a discredited person.

True, but we were talking about ideas generally. Not specifically ideas of history.

And such a thing won't give you the right to bomb a persons house, assasinate civilians nor attacking civilian airports. Becarefull kiddo, terrorism starts like this, you may end up in Abu Garip one day, or even worse Turkish prison.

True, but I never said it would. So apply this to someone who actually said what you wrote, not me.

Offending Turkishness eh, thnaks for bringing this up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#France

Restrictions: The law in France as part of “internal security” enactments passed in 2003 makes it an offense to insult the national flag or anthem, with a penalty of a maximum 9,000 euro fine or up to six months' imprisonment. Restrictions on "offending the dignity of the republic," on the other hand, include "insulting" anyone who serves the public (potentially magistrates, police, firefighters, teachers and even bus conductors). The legislation reflects the debate that raged after incidents such as the booing of the “La Marseillaise” at a France vs. Algeria football match in 2002.
Germany :

Further restrictions on freedom of speech in the German Criminal Code Section 90 concerns “Disparagement of the State and its Symbol.” It provides that: “Whoever publicly, in a meeting or through the dissemination of writings (Section 11 subsection (3)): "1. insults or maliciously maligns the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its Lands or its constitutional order; or2. disparages the colors, flag, coat of arms or the anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its Lands, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.”

I think you sent me the wrong link. This one didn’t talk about freedom of speech in Germany and France.

USA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

On June 16, 1918, Debs made a speech in Canton, Ohio in opposition to World War I and was arrested under the Espionage Act of 1917. He was convicted, sentenced to serve ten years in prison and disenfranchised for life. While the photo pictured on the left of this page has for decades been reported to be of Debs giving his speech in Canton, it is actually a picture of Debs giving a speech to a large crowd in Chicago in 1912.

Debs made his best-remembered statement at his sentencing hearing:
“Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.
And this can go for pages.

Yea, that’s defiantly restricting speech. But it’s understandable why. The Espionage Act of 1917 was for national security. However the reason they arrested Debs seemed more like arresting him for lowering troop moral, rather than threatening national security. Which is technically restricting freedom of speech. But for good reason. Which is not the case in “Offending Turkishness”

Every system, every nation, every state has the right to protect their values, defend themselves. If you deny this right you are either an anarchist or stupid

True, as long as it doesn’t go against human rights.

I read the bible a few times, you should do so sometime. It is part of ermeni culture you know....

Yea you’re right, I should.

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There is no one to discuss becouse even in USA when someone goes against it you bomb his house and harras his family. Nice way of democracy and tolorance ....

We are talking about 1915-1919 events which are part of our combined history. Yes we are discussing about history.....

You said you could understand why would ASALA killed the civilians when they did. It certainly applies to you...

I posted the links earlier in a topic around here. DOn't be lazy google them.


So if it fits you it is ok to ban speech freedoms?

Sadly, when it comes to national affairs, security etc, human rights are somewhat pushed back into darker corners.

As Guantanamo, CIA kidnapping people, Abu Garip, Hrant Dink, The Russian Lady reporter assasinated a few months back. And it is even sadder to see people getting along with these acts

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lol, typical argument of the turk...blame the actions of few on many.
ASALA had less then 1000 members...out of 9 million armenians............must i continue my point? or does it speak for itself..why do you think asala does not exist anymore?

and, btw, most armenians do not support the laws passed in france.

and you are using arguments which would properly fit in a case against you, and switching them...turk, you don't seem to understand that we do not have the same murderous logic as you...

you can't go around saying "you did it, no you did it"

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lol, typical argument of the turk...blame the actions of few on many.
ASALA had less then 1000 members...out of 9 million armenians............must i continue my point? or does it speak for itself..why do you think asala does not exist anymore?

and, btw, most armenians do not support the laws passed in france.

and you are using arguments which would properly fit in a case against you, and switching them...turk, you don't seem to understand that we do not have the same murderous logic as you...

you can't go around saying "you did it, no you did it"

ermeni you became a wierdo after your visit to ermenistan.

1- even if 1 single person attacks civilians to terrorise them, he is a terrorist. And show me please where I condemn the whole ermeni people becouse of ASALA mother f**s and I will apoligise....

2- The point is those laws passed and you are not the spokesman of ermenis in France, stop being a lamer..

3-Yes I love to toy with documents, thats probably why I posted the link that supported the ermeni stand. I must havea sinister plan

4- one more time for your thick head to understand, I oppose all kinds of wars , killings and brutal use of power of any kind. And remember it was you that made the funniest threat ever " you may see your head under the boot of a fedayi one day" which I am 100% sure that fedayi you pictured was definatly not yourself.. Now that is what you'd call murderous logic.

5- But you did it

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ermeni you became a wierdo after your visit to ermenistan.

well you are the one who suggested i go..

even if 1 single person attacks civilians to terrorise them, he is a terrorist. And show me please where I condemn the whole ermeni people becouse of ASALA mother f**s and I will apoligise....

yes, that is what i am saying, ASALA ARE terrorists, and we armenians do not support them..
well, all you have to do is read up just about every conversation we had, including this one...where you always bring in ASALA, now, if you did not condemn the entire ermeni people for them, then why would you bring them up?

- The point is those laws passed and you are not the spokesman of ermenis in France, stop being a lamer..

exactly, thanks for understanding. i am not the spokesman for the ermenis of france, and they are not my spokesman, i was completely opposed to the anti denial laws in france, (as well as most armenians outside france) for 3 reasons.
1) It makes france just the opposite side of the same coin as turkey. one jails you for accepting, the other for denying.
2) if you make it illegal to deny it has 2 consequences, it is one, an attack on your liberties, and 2, showing that there is something to hide, since you are not allowed to debate it, and in this case, there is nothing to hide. turks should accept it, not because they are forced to, but because it is fact
3) the french socialist party brought it up, not to favour the french-armenian population, or to closen ties with armenia, but simply to get votes in the upcoming election, which they lost anyways. so it was just a ploy...

so, weather the french government passed it or not does not mean the entire armenian population of the world was behind the decision.

I oppose all kinds of wars , killings and brutal use of power of any kind.

yes, so let us condemn all kinds of brutality, starting by the attrocities commited by your own government, in order to start anew..

made the funniest threat ever " you may see your head under the boot of a fedayi one day"

no, see, you changed my words, what i made was not a threat, but simply a warning to you saying that you should not be overconfident of your own military, for one day you may get defeated. please do not take my comments the wrong way...

which I am 100% sure that fedayi you pictured was definatly not yourself..

no, probably not me, just anyone..

Now that is what you'd call murderous logic.

not really, because i did not say that he would have sharp metal spikes at the bottom of his boot, or anything about you being dead from it...

and once again,he reinforces the groundless turkish counterclaime

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well you are the one who suggested i go..
yes, that is what i am saying, ASALA ARE terrorists, and we armenians do not support them..
well, all you have to do is read up just about every conversation we had, including this one...where you always bring in ASALA, now, if you did not condemn the entire ermeni people for them, then why would you bring them up?
exactly, thanks for understanding. i am not the spokesman for the ermenis of france, and they are not my spokesman, i was completely opposed to the anti denial laws in france, (as well as most armenians outside france) for 3 reasons.
1) It makes france just the opposite side of the same coin as turkey. one jails you for accepting, the other for denying.
2) if you make it illegal to deny it has 2 consequences, it is one, an attack on your liberties, and 2, showing that there is something to hide, since you are not allowed to debate it, and in this case, there is nothing to hide. turks should accept it, not because they are forced to, but because it is fact
3) the french socialist party brought it up, not to favour the french-armenian population, or to closen ties with armenia, but simply to get votes in the upcoming election, which they lost anyways. so it was just a ploy...

so, weather the french government passed it or not does not mean the entire armenian population of the world was behind the decision.
yes, so let us condemn all kinds of brutality, starting by the attrocities commited by your own government, in order to start anew..
no, see, you changed my words, what i made was not a threat, but simply a warning to you saying that you should not be overconfident of your own military, for one day you may get defeated. please do not take my comments the wrong way...
no, probably not me, just anyone..
not really, because i did not say that he would have sharp metal spikes at the bottom of his boot, or anything about you being dead from it...

and once again,he reinforces the groundless turkish counterclaime

1- I didn't suggest a visit, I suggested a migration.

2- I did bring up ASALA becouse one of a debater started a topic about terror groups.

3- You oppsed it or not, the laws passed.

4- My head under the fedayi is not a threat Sure, he is probably going to use one of the oldest ermeni massage thecniques on my head with his boots nice one.

And can you please explain me your sig showing ermenistan 2020 including a map showing my lands as yours. Are we going to give them to you as compensation, do you really believe this? The only way you reach that maps borders is war and I am sure a fedayi in war wouldn't have my head under his boots for fun of it ( or maybe he would, who knows ). Now combine your threat and the map and try to think from my side of the table...

And once more he lost his ground, but this is the way with racists, they think that they are so logical but they are actually not.

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1- I didn't suggest a visit, I suggested a migration.

do not worry, for that is what i am planning, but would that not just make me crazyier?

I did bring up ASALA becouse one of a debater started a topic about terror groups.

but not on this topic

You oppsed it or not, the laws passed.

the canadian government also passed a law legalizing gay marriage, does that mean i support it just because i am a citizen? even though i did not vote for that liberal/communist government?

hmm..boot massages, beh, what ever floats your boat

the map i put was to counter the one placed by Prot which placed my country, syria, and northern irak as part of turkey in 2020, yet you did not seem to complain, or cry out about his map. i should also inform you that the map i have is that of a little portion of the armenian homeland legally transfered to the republic of armenia in 1919, and it is thus not YOUR country, but mine.

and yes, the only way we will get it back is by war, and that war will come, not because we will want it, but simply because you will not be satisfied with the horrors you have already brought to the table, and will want more. you do not have to be a future teller to foresee this. for even after the genocide, you did not mind to invade greece in 1923, the rest of armenia in 1922, mass your forces on the border of the USSR in 1941, invade cyprus, massacre, the Zazas, start a genocidal campain against the people you once used in your ploy to genocide another native population. lets not forget the massing on the armenian border of 70 thousand turkish troops in 1994, most of whome are still there today, i could see them from right across the border. and raiding northern Irak as close as a few weeks ago.

so before you call me a racist, i suggest you think about that. the funny thing is that you turks have never seen anything wrong in any of the actions mentionned above, for you , it was always right. it seemed to you that the greeks were a threat, so you did your duty to your country by exterminating greek women and children, you thought the same of the armenians, and thus removed them from existance, and once the kurds became trouble, you tried to do the same. you somehow believed that the turkish population of cyprus was in danger, so you saw it as your patriotic duty to try and ethnically cleanse the island of it's native greek population. i cannot believe how any civilised nation could be so blind to the extrordinary amount of barbarism that are not only part of it's history, but it's present, and yet still deny what it has done only 90 years ago.

i mean, do not pretend that you were incapable. just look at your own post-ataturk history, just look at the number of coup-d'etats in only 85 years, just look at the last coup detat, how many thousands of ethnic turks did your government destroy? how many have dissapeared?
i mean, you are able to do such attrocities to yourselves, then why is it so hard to believe that you would do the same to unwanted aliens, as you would put them.

and btw, it is not you who decided who lost ground, by putting that comment, it becomes ever more obvious that your lack of confidence, or overconfidence in your arguments is making you slide.

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do not worry, for that is what i am planning, but would that not just make me crazyier?

Not at all, on the contrary I will respect you more.

but not on this topic

Look who is talking... Show me one single topic in all of the forums here, even the ones in Israel, Iraq etc, that you don't trun into a whining about " we are genocided, we are all victims" .... You are one funny little guy..

the canadian government also passed a law legalizing gay marriage, does that mean i support it just because i am a citizen? even though i did not vote for that liberal/communist government?

Are you against gay marriages ?

the map i put was to counter the one placed by Prot which placed my country, syria, and northern irak as part of turkey in 2020, yet you did not seem to complain, or cry out about his map. i should also inform you that the map i have is that of a little portion of the armenian homeland legally transfered to the republic of armenia in 1919, and it is thus not YOUR country, but mine.

So you take prot as your equal, sorry I didn't know that Oh and tell me where I cried about your map? Those lands were transferred to you by war that Ottomans lost, we just take it back with war.

and yes, the only way we will get it back is by war, and that war will come, not because we will want it, but simply because you will not be satisfied with the horrors you have already brought to the table, and will want more. you do not have to be a future teller to foresee this. for even after the genocide, you did not mind to invade greece in 1923, the rest of armenia in 1922, mass your forces on the border of the USSR in 1941, invade cyprus, massacre, the Zazas, start a genocidal campain against the people you once used in your ploy to genocide another native population. lets not forget the massing on the armenian border of 70 thousand turkish troops in 1994, most of whome are still there today, i could see them from right across the border. and raiding northern Irak as close as a few weeks ago.

Ok I want you to show me the invasion of Greece in 1923, and the rest of ermenistan in 1922, seriously. Just give a few names of the areas or a map. anything will do.

Troops on USSR border during WW2.. Now why did we do that, we are just so rude to secure our borders durig a world war. I apoligise for the rudeness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOKA

Read the link and learn why we invaded Cyprus. We used our rights given to us after WW2, not your problem at all. And we will stay till a solution to satisfy Turk Cypriots happen.

We have 4 times more than 70 thousand on your border and surrounding areas. Also 40 nukes and 5 military aribases with planes numbering a little over 800 including long range bombers.. You underestimate us...

We will raid Iraq if they don't secure their borders. If they do we won't..

so before you call me a racist, i suggest you think about that. the funny thing is that you turks have never seen anything wrong in any of the actions mentionned above, for you , it was always right. it seemed to you that the greeks were a threat, so you did your duty to your country by exterminating greek women and children, you thought the same of the armenians, and thus removed them from existance, and once the kurds became trouble, you tried to do the same. you somehow believed that the turkish population of cyprus was in danger, so you saw it as your patriotic duty to try and ethnically cleanse the island of it's native greek population. i cannot believe how any civilised nation could be so blind to the extrordinary amount of barbarism that are not only part of it's history, but it's present, and yet still deny what it has done only 90 years ago.

You are a racist. Greeks and Turks changed population, google it. Cyprus, read above and if you want to know more I am here. Nothing happened to deny.

i mean, do not pretend that you were incapable. just look at your own post-ataturk history, just look at the number of coup-d'etats in only 85 years, just look at the last coup detat, how many thousands of ethnic turks did your government destroy? how many have dissapeared?
i mean, you are able to do such attrocities to yourselves, then why is it so hard to believe that you would do the same to unwanted aliens, as you would put them.

My government didn't destroy any ethnic Turk or Kurd or anyone else. You just like to think so.

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Look who is talking... Show me one single topic in all of the forums here, even the ones in Israel, Iraq etc, that you don't trun into a whining about " we are genocided, we are all victims" .... You are one funny little guy.

for someone who is trying so hard to look better then me, you justify and compare yourself to a small stupid ermeni like me? then why don't you make the more civilized step, and go for it.

Are you against gay marriages ?

yes, that is my opinion on the matter, you want to debate that too? if so, we can find a forum about it and do that there, why do you not stick to the argumentative value i brought in with that example, instead of changing the topic when you have nothing to answer.

Oh and tell me where I cried about your map? Those lands were transferred to you by war that Ottomans lost, we just take it back with war.

right here

And can you please explain me your sig showing ermenistan 2020 including a map showing my lands as yours.

and yes, just as you won it in war, we will win it back, and then you will say "no it is our homeland, you dirty ermeni racists"

here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilsonian_Armenia
and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish...%281919-1922%29

Troops on USSR border during WW2.. Now why did we do that, we are just so rude to secure our borders durig a world war. I apoligise for the rudeness icon_smile.gif

if by rudeness you mean alliance with nazi germany, and an anticipated invasion of soviet armenia, which didn't happen because germany lost at stalingrad (i already posted all the documents, you just have to go look for them) then i don't know if i can forgive you.;

Read the link and learn why we invaded Cyprus. We used our rights given to us after WW2, not your problem at all. And we will stay till a solution to satisfy Turk Cypriots happen.

yes, clearly, turkish actions were taken only to protect the lives of innocent people around the world, you stopped some evil nationalists from wanting to join their land to their greek speaking motherland, to throw off the symbol of turkish opression. everything you do is justifiable. why don't you go tell that to the cypriot turks? since i hear that most of the population of northern cyprus is actually mainlander turk.

according to this you don't have any nukes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...nuclear_weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Air_Force
this seems to state that turkey has less then 400 aging fantoms and f16, making the armenian mig29s and su 27s, both of which are 4th generation aircraft. quite far from your 800 aircraft i must say.

We will raid Iraq if they don't secure their borders. If they do we won't..

wow, the great benevolant state of turkey, bringing security to the endangered peoples of the world. thank you, infact, if you don't mind, i think they should have you guys patrolling the kashmir border between pakistan and india.

clearly, you are saints, and all you do is in the benefit of others. protecting the world from racists, and ignorants.

My government didn't destroy any ethnic Turk or Kurd or anyone else. You just like to think so.

oh no?
"1960 Turkish coup d'état
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The military coup in Turkey, 1960 was a coup d'etat staged by a group of radical Turkish army officers, from the ranks of colonel and below, against the government of the Democratic Party on May 27, 1960. The leaders of the coup made General Cemal Gürsel, who had not taken any role in the coup, head of state, prime minister and the minister of defence upon completion of the military take-over. The military junta returned the power to civilians 17 months later in October 1961 pressed by General Gursel who resisted the continuation of military rule.

President Celal Bayar, Prime Minister Adnan Menderes and some members of the cabinet were arrested and put on trial before a civilian-military tribunal on the island Yassıada in the Sea of Marmara. The politicians were charged with high treason, misuse of public funds and abrogation of the constitution. The tribunals ended with the execution of Prime Minister Adnan Menderes, Minister for Foreign Affairs Fatin Rüştü Zorlu and Minister of Finance Hasan Polatkan on the island İmralı on September 16, 1961.[1]

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"The Coup by memorandum is the second military coup of Turkey carried out on March 12, 1971. The same title is often attached to the 1997 resignation of Necmettin Erbakan on a similar warning by the army.

After the general elections of 1969, reacting to the ruling Justice Party, unrest mounted especially within leftist circles, resulting in street clashes. Uncomfortable with the threat of public unrest, and a suspected preparation for a leftist coup within the military itself, the chief of the general staff presented a letter of memorandum to President Cevdet Sunay demanding a strong and credible government. Upon the warning of the civilian officers that unless the current government led by prime minister Süleyman Demirel were dissolved, the army could take over the rule of the country, Demirel resigned the same day. Nihat Erim, a university professor and a member of the Republican People's Party replaced him to be an "above parties" prime minister and to form a "national unity" government to be supported by the majority of the parliament.

Following the coup, many leftist organizations were dissolved. Leftist militants were arrested and those officers in the army suspected of a coup plot were dismissed."

"September 12, 1980 Turkish coup d'état, headed by General Kenan Evren, Chief of the General Staff, was the third military putsch in the history of the Republic after the 1960 coup and the 1971 "Coup by Memorandum".

Kenan Evren headed the National Security Council (NSC) of five generals (the commanders of the Army, the Navy the Air Force and the Gendarmerie). Martial law, which had been first proclaimed in 1978 after the Kahramanmaraş massacre, was extended throughout the country. The generals abolished the Parliament and the government, suspended the Constitution and banned all political parties and trade unions, and most other organizations. They invoked the Kemalist tradition of state secularism and of the unity of the nation, which had already justified the precedent coups, and presented themselves as opposed to both Communism, Fascism, separatism and religious sectarism.[1] For the next three years the Turkish armed forces ruled the country through the National Security Council.[2] In his book 12 September, 4 o'clock (1984) Mehmet Ali Birand described how Paul Henze, at the time advisor on Turkey to the National Security Council of the USA, informed President Jimmy Carter about the coup in Turkey with the words Our boys (in Ankara) did it![3] This has created the impression that the USA stood behind the coup. In June 2003 Henze denied this, but after two days Mehmet Ali Birand presented an interview with Henze recorded in 1997 in which he basically confirmed Mehmet Ali Birand's story.[4][5]"

"post-modern coup d'etat, a military coup in Turkey, occurred on February 28, 1997 overthrowing the coalition government of Necmettin Erbakan.

In 1997 the Turkish military gradually increased the harshness and frequency of its public warnings to Erbakan's government and rolled their tanks through the streets of Sincan (in Ankara), eventually prompting him to step down."

how many thousands of turks died in those coups?

and what about kurds?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_...eople_in_Turkey

anyways, have fun with that

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for someone who is trying so hard to look better then me, you justify and compare yourself to a small stupid ermeni like me? then why don't you make the more civilized step, and go for it.
yes, that is my opinion on the matter, you want to debate that too? if so, we can find a forum about it and do that there, why do you not stick to the argumentative value i brought in with that example, instead of changing the topic when you have nothing to answer.
right here

and yes, just as you won it in war, we will win it back, and then you will say "no it is our homeland, you dirty ermeni racists"

here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilsonian_Armenia
and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish...%281919-1922%29
if by rudeness you mean alliance with nazi germany, and an anticipated invasion of soviet armenia, which didn't happen because germany lost at stalingrad (i already posted all the documents, you just have to go look for them) then i don't know if i can forgive you.;
yes, clearly, turkish actions were taken only to protect the lives of innocent people around the world, you stopped some evil nationalists from wanting to join their land to their greek speaking motherland, to throw off the symbol of turkish opression. everything you do is justifiable. why don't you go tell that to the cypriot turks? since i hear that most of the population of northern cyprus is actually mainlander turk.

according to this you don't have any nukes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...nuclear_weapons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Air_Force
this seems to state that turkey has less then 400 aging fantoms and f16, making the armenian mig29s and su 27s, both of which are 4th generation aircraft. quite far from your 800 aircraft i must say.
wow, the great benevolant state of turkey, bringing security to the endangered peoples of the world. thank you, infact, if you don't mind, i think they should have you guys patrolling the kashmir border between pakistan and india.

clearly, you are saints, and all you do is in the benefit of others. protecting the world from racists, and ignorants.
oh no?
"1960 Turkish coup d'état
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

The military coup in Turkey, 1960 was a coup d'etat staged by a group of radical Turkish army officers, from the ranks of colonel and below, against the government of the Democratic Party on May 27, 1960. The leaders of the coup made General Cemal Gürsel, who had not taken any role in the coup, head of state, prime minister and the minister of defence upon completion of the military take-over. The military junta returned the power to civilians 17 months later in October 1961 pressed by General Gursel who resisted the continuation of military rule.

President Celal Bayar, Prime Minister Adnan Menderes and some members of the cabinet were arrested and put on trial before a civilian-military tribunal on the island Yassıada in the Sea of Marmara. The politicians were charged with high treason, misuse of public funds and abrogation of the constitution. The tribunals ended with the execution of Prime Minister Adnan Menderes, Minister for Foreign Affairs Fatin Rüştü Zorlu and Minister of Finance Hasan Polatkan on the island İmralı on September 16, 1961.[1]

[edit] References"

"The Coup by memorandum is the second military coup of Turkey carried out on March 12, 1971. The same title is often attached to the 1997 resignation of Necmettin Erbakan on a similar warning by the army.

After the general elections of 1969, reacting to the ruling Justice Party, unrest mounted especially within leftist circles, resulting in street clashes. Uncomfortable with the threat of public unrest, and a suspected preparation for a leftist coup within the military itself, the chief of the general staff presented a letter of memorandum to President Cevdet Sunay demanding a strong and credible government. Upon the warning of the civilian officers that unless the current government led by prime minister Süleyman Demirel were dissolved, the army could take over the rule of the country, Demirel resigned the same day. Nihat Erim, a university professor and a member of the Republican People's Party replaced him to be an "above parties" prime minister and to form a "national unity" government to be supported by the majority of the parliament.

Following the coup, many leftist organizations were dissolved. Leftist militants were arrested and those officers in the army suspected of a coup plot were dismissed."

"September 12, 1980 Turkish coup d'état, headed by General Kenan Evren, Chief of the General Staff, was the third military putsch in the history of the Republic after the 1960 coup and the 1971 "Coup by Memorandum".

Kenan Evren headed the National Security Council (NSC) of five generals (the commanders of the Army, the Navy the Air Force and the Gendarmerie). Martial law, which had been first proclaimed in 1978 after the Kahramanmaraş massacre, was extended throughout the country. The generals abolished the Parliament and the government, suspended the Constitution and banned all political parties and trade unions, and most other organizations. They invoked the Kemalist tradition of state secularism and of the unity of the nation, which had already justified the precedent coups, and presented themselves as opposed to both Communism, Fascism, separatism and religious sectarism.[1] For the next three years the Turkish armed forces ruled the country through the National Security Council.[2] In his book 12 September, 4 o'clock (1984) Mehmet Ali Birand described how Paul Henze, at the time advisor on Turkey to the National Security Council of the USA, informed President Jimmy Carter about the coup in Turkey with the words Our boys (in Ankara) did it![3] This has created the impression that the USA stood behind the coup. In June 2003 Henze denied this, but after two days Mehmet Ali Birand presented an interview with Henze recorded in 1997 in which he basically confirmed Mehmet Ali Birand's story.[4][5]"

"post-modern coup d'etat, a military coup in Turkey, occurred on February 28, 1997 overthrowing the coalition government of Necmettin Erbakan.

In 1997 the Turkish military gradually increased the harshness and frequency of its public warnings to Erbakan's government and rolled their tanks through the streets of Sincan (in Ankara), eventually prompting him to step down."

how many thousands of turks died in those coups?

and what about kurds?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_...eople_in_Turkey

anyways, have fun with that

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Oh and nobody died in the coups, they died before them. Like the right and communists got in fights before 80's...

We just secure our own borders.... You may go help Paki's...

The coup history is not complete, I can fill you in if you are really interested. Seriously.

We have nukes, they are leftovers from cold war but they still do their job. And search better we are one of the contirubters of the new fighterplane jointventure along with USA, UK and a few EU nations. ANd our planes are a little over 1000 with the ability to fly at nights which only 6 airforce can do.

Anything else ?

[Hosank]

lol, a turc with a wiki account, trying to site the article as unfair..anyone can do it..even if, what are you trying to say? that turkey did not invade greece? and the turco-greek war never happened? nor did the turco-armenian war?
that the whole wiki article is fake? that these coups came out of oblivion?
im sure it would be hard for you to pull that one off..
and if you read the specific quotes i took from it, i only took the ones introducing the facts, not the explanations or arguments at the bottom, for that is not my point..

and taner akjam told me that quite a few turks died in these 'bloodless coups'

we don't have any troops to spare helping the pakis, since we must take care of securing our own borders from your 'border security'.

look, just because there are nukes on your territory, does not mean they are your nukes. your country signed the nuclear non proliferation act. and if you did have nukes, what would you do? launch them on yerevan? have you forgotten how close armenia was to turkey? and that armenia is mountainous?

no, you have less then 400 operational fighter jets. you could have a thousand if you want, but that does not mean that 1000 planes = 1000 top of the lign operational front line strike aircraft.
and the JSF planes will not arrive in turkey for another 20 years im affraid.

if you are talking about all weather fighter capabilities, i can assure you that more then 6 nations in the world have that.

[veritas]

That's what UNICEF is for, to help nations with problems about kids. So is that a confirmation to the topic ?

would you feel better knowing there are people having sex with children?

you are fooling no one here you imbecile, your posts are designed to be incendiary in nature and then you back it up with a neutral stance.

if you want to demonstrate your stance of caring and neutrality then post about the shortcomings of turks as well of which there are many.

or better still post about the things that Armenia is doing well of which there are also many.

typical turkish slippery dog tactics are what has given your nation a name with disgusting connotations.

[Hosank]

some people seem to understand, see arrow? you needed a 3rd party to show you the hyporcity of your posts?

[davit]

turks should accept it, not because they are forced to, but because it is fact

and you actually belive they will