arrow, in your entire comment, you tried to bringyoureself higher then anyone else on this forum, you told us that you were above all our petty squabbling, and infentile nationalistic ideas, but what you do not seem to realise, is that you are probably at the bottom of the pack, for instance, you made it clear that you consider irandahye to be a childish racist, you then moved on to making ever worse comments yourself.
clearly, you have not understood the aboroginal issue, so for both irlandahye and arrow, i will explain.
arrow, you said that, the ottoman empire ruled over many nations, for it was the strongest, and the other nations were unable to rebel, and those who did had it in their right as being stron enough to challenge the ottoman jugh, such as the greeks, bulgarians and so on. you said that the armenians were not strong enough, and therefore, you do not believe they have earned the right to self ditermination.
so, putting asside the racist ideology and fascistic thought (interesting, how much of a hypocrite you can be, after spending post after post accusing us of the same behaviour) let us, for the sake of this argument, take it as fact.
if we follow that doctrine, then the white man has every right to be in north america. for that reason, and also, we can simply look through history to see that it is full of nations moving, conquering and replacing as dominant peoples, you can look at the arabs, who today populate the region from irak all the way to morocco. they defeated the Assyrians, the kurds, the phenocecians, babilonians, meds, berbers and so on. same with the white man, they were stronger then the tiny populations of indians, who were disunited and fought amonst eachother.
the main difference between the armenian question and the native question is this. the white did not eliminate the diverse first nations as a whole, just like there are still berbers and kurds living within the arab nations of today. the turks erradicated all trace of armenians. do you understand? the armenians were a nation capable of self ditermination, had intellectual though, a religion, language distinct culture and all that. the armenians were 1 people, able of ruling 1 armenia, a right you deprived them of.
unlike armenians, there is no 1 aboriginal people, with one language, religion and culture. there are several quite destinct and warring aboriginal peoples, who were all subdued by different groups of white people, in war.
obviously i may be waisting my time here, because you cannot understand my point if you do not understand what genocide is
to begin with.
Man even insults and harming others is "understandable" according to you if it depends on a crime you believe that happened a century ago.
lol, harming others?
why would such a prominent turkic intellectual such as yourself feel harmed by such juvenile slur? and didn't you say this?
I don't feel insulted by his words or remarks at all.
second, i did not say that what irlandaye said was right, i said that though i disagree with his use of words (something i clearly pointed out in my last point, and cannot see why i am forced to repeat myself) i can understand why he would say that, how would you feel if your entire family was murdered in the worst circonstances available, such as genocide, and the people who perpatrate it tell you it is a lie, and call you a racist for wanting justice? once you think that out, you will understand my stance on the matter.
And you turning every post into a piss contest is not helping my opinion about you neither. You are just an angry little man that thinks he has all the answers to all the questions, and believe me you are not the first one to think so.
comments like this one greatly lower my respect in you as well. (not to mention that it is full to the top with oxymorons). so far, it seems to me that i do have all the answers to your question, because not once have you proven me wrong. everytime i answer your little excuses for comments, you simply change the topic into an accusation of me being a racist, something i believe to be the last resort of a cornered, idealess denialist.
Blood for blood, you killed mine I'l kill yours. You turks dont understand words, you dont understand reason, all you understand is violence, and in that sense, yes ASALA has accomplished alot.
irlandaye, what do you suggest? that we kill 1.5 million turks because they did it to us? then how does that make us better then the turk? there is a fine line between justice and revenge irlandahye