The Root Of Terrorism, Extremism, And Hatred Started From The Mecca In Saudi Arabia Options

[Jaff Sassani]

The Root of Terrorism, Extremism, and Hatred started from the Mecca in Saudi Arabia

The hatred are producing hatred, the violent are producing violent so why humanity are suffering today and what is the solution.

For every problem must be some kind of solution, for every health problem must be some kind of medicine, to solve any problem you need to understand the problem and try to come up with the solution by individual or accumulated effort by group of people. Just like the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) and AIDS was facing the humanity and the effort by international community to solve the problem.

Today’s Terrorism lead by Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia and Ayman al-Zawahiri from Egypt with the help of many wealthy Arabs and none Arab Muslim plus few Countries in the region secretly.

Before Islam comes to existence the Middle East land was populated by many different nationalities but around the Mecca there was only two nationalities mainly Arab and Hebrew Jewish people in the region. Before the human settled in the villages and cities they were nomad moving around with their domesticated animals so the Arab and the Hebrew Jewish both alike they levied side by side in the region as nomad and later as farmer to survive as we speak they are original land lord in that part of the world.

Both Arab and Hebrew Jewish people suffered under occupation forces of the other nationalities around them from Europe to Asia. So the hatred was there way before the existence of Islam.

When Prophet Mohammed bin Abdullah Al-Qweareyyshi the founder of the Islamic religion from Arab origin started the teaching of the new religion in Mecca his first enemy was his own relative from Arab tribes in Mecca until they forced him and his follower to move to the Medina another town in Saudi Arabia, then they were clashed with none Arab the Hebrew Jewish people, the campaign against the Hebrew Jewish people was lead by Ali Bin Abe Talib Al-Qweareyyshi the cozen and the son in law of the Prophet Mohammed who later become the founder of the Shiite Islam.

The campaign become very violent and productive for Islamic Army because the victims was none Arab that made the army to be unite and test the victory over none Arab even the Hebrew Jewish people was not their enemy, when they killed the Hebrew Jewish males they took the females married them by force and took their lands and their belonging. From that day until now become the traditions of the Arab warriors, which was repeated over and over by Arab extremist and later by Ottoman Turkish empire against none Muslim people in Europe.

The people suffered the most from the Arab nationalistic extremist movement since the beginning of the Islam was the Hebrew Jewish people, The Aryan (Ērānšahr or later become known as Iranian) people that are called today as (Persian, Kurd, Azeri, Afghani, Tajik, Pashto, Pakistani and other Aryan nations) under the second Islamic Khalifa Omar Bin Khtab known as the most violent ruler against the Aryan people who later become known as the founder of the Sunni Islam.

The Campaign continues on which affected the Europe and part of the Asia later on. Today it is affecting the whole world one way or another so by calling yourself neutral won’t solve this problem facing the humanity.

If Iran or any other country with same mentality has Atomic Bomb or any other powerful destructive weapon they are going to use it and that will be the end of the world we know now.

To solve this problem facing the humanity, the supper powers and the individual alike they need to pay attention to this problem by confronting the Arab extremist and their agent like the ruler of Iran today to stop the terrorist activity once and for all and let them to know about your feeling and understanding by raising your voice as individual will make the different with Arab people in hope they will join the rest of the civilization, because of the Arab oil to many leaders around the world closing their eyes about this problem.

The Arab and their agent in the Islamic world after they know how the people around the world does not like what they are doing against the humanity on earth then there will be hope to change their behavior and look back at their own violent history to see unjust of their hatred toward the humanity on earth.

The education only will let other people to understand by inflection the pain and suffering upon other people are not the solution of your problem, indeed if the Arab and the Islamic world take a moment to look at the Japanese hard working people and get a lesson to work hard and be truthful to serve their own people by building their own countries will be much better solution than blowing up yourself and killing many other peoples.

[irlandahay]

The Root of Terrorism, Extremism, and Hatred started from the Mecca in Saudi Arabia

The hatred are producing hatred, the violent are producing violent so why humanity are suffering today and what is the solution.

For every problem must be some kind of solution, for every health problem must be some kind of medicine, to solve any problem you need to understand the problem and try to come up with the solution by individual or accumulated effort by group of people. Just like the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) and AIDS was facing the humanity and the effort by international community to solve the problem.

Today’s Terrorism lead by Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia and Ayman al-Zawahiri from Egypt with the help of many wealthy Arabs and none Arab Muslim plus few Countries in the region secretly.

Before Islam comes to existence the Middle East land was populated by many different nationalities but around the Mecca there was only two nationalities mainly Arab and Hebrew Jewish people in the region. Before the human settled in the villages and cities they were nomad moving around with their domesticated animals so the Arab and the Hebrew Jewish both alike they levied side by side in the region as nomad and later as farmer to survive as we speak they are original land lord in that part of the world.

Both Arab and Hebrew Jewish people suffered under occupation forces of the other nationalities around them from Europe to Asia. So the hatred was there way before the existence of Islam.

When Prophet Mohammed bin Abdullah Al-Qweareyyshi the founder of the Islamic religion from Arab origin started the teaching of the new religion in Mecca his first enemy was his own relative from Arab tribes in Mecca until they forced him and his follower to move to the Medina another town in Saudi Arabia, then they were clashed with none Arab the Hebrew Jewish people, the campaign against the Hebrew Jewish people was lead by Ali Bin Abe Talib Al-Qweareyyshi the cozen and the son in law of the Prophet Mohammed who later become the founder of the Shiite Islam.

The campaign become very violent and productive for Islamic Army because the victims was none Arab that made the army to be unite and test the victory over none Arab even the Hebrew Jewish people was not their enemy, when they killed the Hebrew Jewish males they took the females married them by force and took their lands and their belonging. From that day until now become the traditions of the Arab warriors, which was repeated over and over by Arab extremist and later by Ottoman Turkish empire against none Muslim people in Europe.

The people suffered the most from the Arab nationalistic extremist movement since the beginning of the Islam was the Hebrew Jewish people, The Aryan (Ērānšahr or later become known as Iranian) people that are called today as (Persian, Kurd, Azeri, Afghani, Tajik, Pashto, Pakistani and other Aryan nations) under the second Islamic Khalifa Omar Bin Khtab known as the most violent ruler against the Aryan people who later become known as the founder of the Sunni Islam.

The Campaign continues on which affected the Europe and part of the Asia later on. Today it is affecting the whole world one way or another so by calling yourself neutral won’t solve this problem facing the humanity.

If Iran or any other country with same mentality has Atomic Bomb or any other powerful destructive weapon they are going to use it and that will be the end of the world we know now.

To solve this problem facing the humanity, the supper powers and the individual alike they need to pay attention to this problem by confronting the Arab extremist and their agent like the ruler of Iran today to stop the terrorist activity once and for all and let them to know about your feeling and understanding by raising your voice as individual will make the different with Arab people in hope they will join the rest of the civilization, because of the Arab oil to many leaders around the world closing their eyes about this problem.

The Arab and their agent in the Islamic world after they know how the people around the world does not like what they are doing against the humanity on earth then there will be hope to change their behavior and look back at their own violent history to see unjust of their hatred toward the humanity on earth.

The education only will let other people to understand by inflection the pain and suffering upon other people are not the solution of your problem, indeed if the Arab and the Islamic world take a moment to look at the Japanese hard working people and get a lesson to work hard and be truthful to serve their own people by building their own countries will be much better solution than blowing up yourself and killing many other peoples.

I agree with you there

Islam is the most devastating cancerous religion the world has ever whitnessed

[chase]

I agree with you there

Islam is the most devastating cancerous religion the world has ever whitnessed

How true irlandahay.

[chase]

The Root of Terrorism, Extremism, and Hatred started from the Mecca in Saudi Arabia

The hatred are producing hatred, the violent are producing violent so why humanity are suffering today and what is the solution.

For every problem must be some kind of solution, for every health problem must be some kind of medicine, to solve any problem you need to understand the problem and try to come up with the solution by individual or accumulated effort by group of people. Just like the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) and AIDS was facing the humanity and the effort by international community to solve the problem.

Today’s Terrorism lead by Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia and Ayman al-Zawahiri from Egypt with the help of many wealthy Arabs and none Arab Muslim plus few Countries in the region secretly.

Before Islam comes to existence the Middle East land was populated by many different nationalities but around the Mecca there was only two nationalities mainly Arab and Hebrew Jewish people in the region. Before the human settled in the villages and cities they were nomad moving around with their domesticated animals so the Arab and the Hebrew Jewish both alike they levied side by side in the region as nomad and later as farmer to survive as we speak they are original land lord in that part of the world.

Both Arab and Hebrew Jewish people suffered under occupation forces of the other nationalities around them from Europe to Asia. So the hatred was there way before the existence of Islam.

When Prophet Mohammed bin Abdullah Al-Qweareyyshi the founder of the Islamic religion from Arab origin started the teaching of the new religion in Mecca his first enemy was his own relative from Arab tribes in Mecca until they forced him and his follower to move to the Medina another town in Saudi Arabia, then they were clashed with none Arab the Hebrew Jewish people, the campaign against the Hebrew Jewish people was lead by Ali Bin Abe Talib Al-Qweareyyshi the cozen and the son in law of the Prophet Mohammed who later become the founder of the Shiite Islam.

The campaign become very violent and productive for Islamic Army because the victims was none Arab that made the army to be unite and test the victory over none Arab even the Hebrew Jewish people was not their enemy, when they killed the Hebrew Jewish males they took the females married them by force and took their lands and their belonging. From that day until now become the traditions of the Arab warriors, which was repeated over and over by Arab extremist and later by Ottoman Turkish empire against none Muslim people in Europe.

The people suffered the most from the Arab nationalistic extremist movement since the beginning of the Islam was the Hebrew Jewish people, The Aryan (Ērānšahr or later become known as Iranian) people that are called today as (Persian, Kurd, Azeri, Afghani, Tajik, Pashto, Pakistani and other Aryan nations) under the second Islamic Khalifa Omar Bin Khtab known as the most violent ruler against the Aryan people who later become known as the founder of the Sunni Islam.

The Campaign continues on which affected the Europe and part of the Asia later on. Today it is affecting the whole world one way or another so by calling yourself neutral won’t solve this problem facing the humanity.

If Iran or any other country with same mentality has Atomic Bomb or any other powerful destructive weapon they are going to use it and that will be the end of the world we know now.

To solve this problem facing the humanity, the supper powers and the individual alike they need to pay attention to this problem by confronting the Arab extremist and their agent like the ruler of Iran today to stop the terrorist activity once and for all and let them to know about your feeling and understanding by raising your voice as individual will make the different with Arab people in hope they will join the rest of the civilization, because of the Arab oil to many leaders around the world closing their eyes about this problem.

The Arab and their agent in the Islamic world after they know how the people around the world does not like what they are doing against the humanity on earth then there will be hope to change their behavior and look back at their own violent history to see unjust of their hatred toward the humanity on earth.

The education only will let other people to understand by inflection the pain and suffering upon other people are not the solution of your problem, indeed if the Arab and the Islamic world take a moment to look at the Japanese hard working people and get a lesson to work hard and be truthful to serve their own people by building their own countries will be much better solution than blowing up yourself and killing many other peoples.

Well written and well said jaff.

Muslim Brotherhood Banna wrote: "It is fard (obligatory) on us to fight with the enemies. The Imam must send a military expedition to the Dar-al-Harb every year at least once or twice, and the people must support him in this. If some of the people fulfil the obligation, the remainder are released from the obligation."

I believe those few lines are the key as to why these murdering Islamofascists get so much support from other Muslims therefore I'm not expecting much from most Muslims. You speak about solutions jaff - the first one should be to "kill all the lawyers" or in this case to "kill all the imams"...that is... those who incite the murder of us "pigs" and "apes" infidels - for Allah's sake.




That's how it appears to us when the shoes on the other foot!

[KHAZARI]

WHAT WRONG WITH YOU CHASE....YOU ARE CRAZY OR WHAT?NOT ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD ARE TERRORIST .AND IN THE MUSLIM AS A ALL THE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE .

THE MODERN ISLAM A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND HIM DISTORTED IN THE PAST THE MUSLIMS WAS TOLERANT.NOT THE MUSLIMS IS THE PROBLEM THE FANATIC IN ALL THE RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS PROBLEM AND THEY CREATE THE WARS IN THE WORLD.


GREETING

[Jaff Sassani]

Thank you Chase for reading our article, please keep in touch and write us directly, we need your help in USA. Sassanian Kurd Defense Committee's email is this jaff.skdc@googlemail.com we are going to have Website before the end of the year.

We read your writting and appreciate your work, I hope all of us will be able to help the people in the region.

Well written and well said jaff.

Muslim Brotherhood Banna wrote: "It is fard (obligatory) on us to fight with the enemies. The Imam must send a military expedition to the Dar-al-Harb every year at least once or twice, and the people must support him in this. If some of the people fulfil the obligation, the remainder are released from the obligation."

I believe those few lines are the key as to why these murdering Islamofascists get so much support from other Muslims therefore I'm not expecting much from most Muslims. You speak about solutions jaff - the first one should be to "kill all the lawyers" or in this case to "kill all the imams"...that is... those who incite the murder of us "pigs" and "apes" infidels - for Allah's sake.




That's how it appears to us when the shoes on the other foot!

[Jaff Sassani]

We are not saying the Muslim are terrorist, what we are saying the extremist Arab nationalist hijaked Islamic religion under the leadership of Umar bin al-Khattab, the Second Khalifa of Islam and used Islamic believe to concur other people's land by doing that he terrorized the world and become the symbol and the tradition of the Arab nationalist even today. Look at today’s Terrorism leader Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia and Ayman al-Zawahiri from Egypt, we assure you they are very extreme nationalist Arab not religion man at all, they just using Islam to do the dirty job for them.

WHAT WRONG WITH YOU CHASE....YOU ARE CRAZY OR WHAT?NOT ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD ARE TERRORIST .AND IN THE MUSLIM AS A ALL THE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE .

THE MODERN ISLAM A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND HIM DISTORTED IN THE PAST THE MUSLIMS WAS TOLERANT.NOT THE MUSLIMS IS THE PROBLEM THE FANATIC IN ALL THE RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS PROBLEM AND THEY CREATE THE WARS IN THE WORLD.
GREETING

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Nice topic, and you found the 2 most perfect repliers ( IrlandaHay and Chase ) just to further it more

Nice man very nice

[Jaff Sassani]

Thank you for your understanding appreciate your comment.

Nice topic, and you found the 2 most perfect repliers ( IrlandaHay and Chase ) just to further it more

Nice man very nice

[chase]

WHAT WRONG WITH YOU CHASE....YOU ARE CRAZY OR WHAT?NOT ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD ARE TERRORIST .AND IN THE MUSLIM AS A ALL THE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE .

THE MODERN ISLAM A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND HIM DISTORTED IN THE PAST THE MUSLIMS WAS TOLERANT.NOT THE MUSLIMS IS THE PROBLEM THE FANATIC IN ALL THE RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS PROBLEM AND THEY CREATE THE WARS IN THE WORLD.
GREETING

khazari, what other religion goes around looking for 'infidels' to kill thinking it will give them an express lane into heaven where they can enjoy eternity with wine, black-eyed virgin women and song? These imams poison the minds of young Muslims in this regard and what's worse they're able to support the poison they push by quoting it from the Koran. It's all in the Koran. What other religion in the world supports such horrific sentiments?

For example these words are in the Koran - I obviously switched the words used and use "Muslims" instead:


Like I already said - it's in the Koran:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

Nice when the shoes on the other foot, eh?

I call that HATE SPEECH and it's in the Koran!!!!!

[chase]

Thank you Chase for reading our article, please keep in touch and write us directly, we need your help in USA. Sassanian Kurd Defense Committee's email is this jaff.skdc@googlemail.com we are going to have Website before the end of the year.

We read your writting and appreciate your work, I hope all of us will be able to help the people in the region.

Jaff, you're a reasonable thoughtful individual and I applaud your efforts.

[irlandahay]

Nice topic, and you found the 2 most perfect repliers ( IrlandaHay and Chase ) just to further it more

Nice man very nice

Tell me in what way did Islam benefit the world since it came to being? tell me what today is the single most violent religion? Tell me what is the face of terror this decade?

Islam is a pestillence. It is ruthless and backward, violent and barbaric.
The religion is one giant leap back for all of mankind. They treat women like objects and men act like bafoons. People may be afraid of saying (cuz youl blow urself up in the bus we are riding) but we think it, and one day we will be sick of this cr*p islam is putting the rest of the civilised world through.

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Chase I will add only one more to your qoutes from Kuran. The followers of Christianity along with Jews are not infidels. Infidels are those that worship pagans. So try as you might but no muslim will call you infidel.. On the contrary you call muslims followers of a false god. So according to your logic muslims are pagans and infidels. Ironic, isn't it??

And you know very well as I do that religion doesn't really effect politics. For example if USA was really a christian nation they wouldn't kill but ask mercy for the ones that attacked 9/11. But the war on terror and the liberation of Iraq cost more than a few hundred thousand civilian lives... I wonder what would Jesus say about it

PS : Jews have similar violant self defense actions that are justified in Torah. For example if your relative is killed you are allowed to kill the murderer.

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Tell me in what way did Islam benefit the world since it came to being? tell me what today is the single most violent religion? Tell me what is the face of terror this decade?

Islam is a pestillence. It is ruthless and backward, violent and barbaric.
The religion is one giant leap back for all of mankind. They treat women like objects and men act like bafoons. People may be afraid of saying (cuz youl blow urself up in the bus we are riding) but we think it, and one day we will be sick of this cr*p islam is putting the rest of the civilised world through.

How did any of the religions benefit the world at all?

[KHAZARI]

CHASE IN ISLAM THE CHRISTIAN AND JEW ARE "AHL AL KITAB" THIS MEAN PEOPLE WHO ALSO BELIVE IN GOD AND NO SHOULD BE KILLED....

[chase]

CHASE IN ISLAM THE CHRISTIAN AND JEW ARE "AHL AL KITAB" THIS MEAN PEOPLE WHO ALSO BELIVE IN GOD AND NO SHOULD BE KILLED....

Hot of the press in Turkey - the actions of yet another 'nice' imam:


TURKEY: KORAN VERSE AT MOSQUE HOSTILE TO JEWS, CHRISTIANS
2007-11-29 14:08

(ANSAmed) - ANKARA, NOVEMBER 29 - The decision of an imam in Istanbul to pin on the door of his mosque a verse from the Koran prohibiting friendship with Jews and Christians has sparked a broad theological and political debate and sizeable controversy in Turkish newspapers. The verse from the Koran placed in past days at the entrance of the Zeynep Sultan mosque in Istanbul is line 51 of Sura 5, The Feast, which says: "O you, who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them." The placing of the verse also caused polemics because of its implications to the Turkish foreign policy orientated to EU membership and strategic alliance with the USA and Israel. (ANSAmed).
http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME03.YAM14074.html

I was just going to post that verse but meantime I read this article which saves me the bother. It looks like your imam wants the world to know how much you all 'love' us. I'd place a bet that he'd post the obnoxious verses I posted below from the Koran and pin it on his mosque as well.

Islam wants me, as a Christian, to either convert, pay jizya or die - period. That's sick!

[chase]

THESE VERSES AND MORE ARE IN THE KORAN:

“Disbelievers are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Disbelievers”

“How perverse are Christians and Jews!”

“Strike off the heads of Disbelievers, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Disbelievers who are near to you”

“Disbelievers mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”


AKA JIHAD


Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement


Now go back and read where I exchanged the word Disbelievers to Muslims and see how ugly and inciting it is towards the rest of us on the planet who don't believe in your ideology.

Oh, and then one reads about the apes and pigs...... Sicko's!!!!

[chase]

Chase ->These imams poison the minds of young Muslims..

These evil imams intentionally kill the spirit of their young, they twist the minds of impressionable kids, and in so doing destroy their life - body and soul. Look into the eyes of their end product - the eyes of their young who were raised to hate - the eyes of a soul filled with evil - the eyes of a terrorist who was taught to love death more than life. These imams fill me with utter revulsion. Evil produces revulsion in the healthy person when they cross it's path. Evil will destroy a person who remains too long in its presence.

"Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him."
(French philosopher Ernest Renan, 1823 – 1892)

[Kurd-BOSS]

What a totally cr*p topic.
All religions are supporting its own ideology, and Islam is not any different from other religions.
What is written in the Holy Koran is making clear that it is the right religion, which you will find in every other religious book. This is if you believe in the Koran.

Muslims and Christians live good toghether in many countries and many places....keep the brotherhood instead of triggering this hatred.
Islam is not creating hate, Your words and your story are creating hate.

Very sad Jaff

[chase]

What a totally cr*p topic.
All religions are supporting its own ideology, and Islam is not any different from other religions.
What is written in the Holy Koran is making clear that it is the right religion, which you will find in every other religious book. This is if you believe in the Koran.

Muslims and Christians live good toghether in many countries and many places....keep the brotherhood instead of triggering this hatred.
Islam is not creating hate, Your words and your story are creating hate.

Very sad Jaff

So kurd, are you saying I', making it all up? Are those words incorrect that I posted from the Koran?


Now these Muslims have my respect - note the Iraqi flag:


German Muslims protesting terrorism. Gee look at the 'huge' crowd!

More pictures here:
http://www.burathanews.com/news_article_30901.html


Here's another protest:


The Sudanese protesters called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."

Gee, look at the 'small' crowd attending the Teddy Bear protest.


Here's the symbolic beheading sword. Do these people ever work?


And here's the inevitable burning of the effigies, which will probably be followed by the car burning (are there any), then the Embassy burnings (are there any). Then comes the time when they kill each other like they did about the Mohammad cartoons.


KILL HER! KILL HER! KILL HER!


THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING TO THE 'OTHER' FOR DECADES - INCLUDING THE 'OTHER' MUSLIMS BUT NO ONE LISTENED...NO ONE CARED!!!

PERHAPS NOW?!



Instead of wanting to KILL KILL KILL someone for calling a Teddy Bear after students named Mohammed why don't Muslims go out on the streets protesting these terrorists who are killing the 'other' and even Muslims as we speak?

Why don't they protest the imams who are poisoning their kids?

What other religion murders people in the name of their religion? What other religion has people calling to their god after they just killed one of the 'others'? Why would they do such things if they weren't promised something from their god like a straight path to heaven no questions asked? Why would they quote from the Koran when facing a jury in the west stating that it's their religion that teaches them to do it - they even point to the verses where it clearly states that it's okay to kill the rest of us? Why would they get off when facing sharia law for beating up on their wives? Why would they get off for 'honor killings'? Why would they get off for killing the 'other'? Why would they get off for rape? Why would old men not even face sharia law for marrying little kids? One could go on....

Yes, there are good things, some very beautiful, in the Koran, but they're from the early period when Mohammad was the weakest which was in Mecca but when Mohammad moved to Medina and got stronger it went all down hill. What parts of the Koranic verses that I posted are wrong? Are not these evil imams teaching young Muslim kids to hate and kill those who don't believe in their ideology?

You are clearly misleading when you say that Islam is a religion like every 'other'. Islam takes over ones life from cradle to grave with all decisions been made for them already and if they deviate from it they get punished - many times with their limbs or lashings but many times more with their very life. Are you denying that there's not a political wing of Islam? If Islam was just another religion like any other I would have no problems. They could go to their mosques and pray to their understanding of God and have my respect but that's a fairy tale I believed prior to 9-11. I've since read the Koran and the history. The Koran must be reformed - period!

There are millions of secular Muslims who just want the freedom to live their lives as they wish but there's also millions of other religious Muslims who want to kill us because we're "infidels" aka "disbelievers". Islam is NOT a religion of peace - it can't be until the Koran is reformed - period.

[chase]

name='chase' date='11/27/07 03:22 PM' post='117771']
khazari, what other religion goes around looking for 'infidels' to kill thinking it will give them an express lane into heaven where they can enjoy eternity with wine, black-eyed virgin women and song? These imams poison the minds of young Muslims in this regard and what's worse they're able to support the poison they push by quoting it from the Koran. It's all in the Koran. What other religion in the world supports such horrific sentiments?

About 600 Islamic demonstrators piled out of mosques, chanting: “By soul, by blood, I will fight for the Prophet Mohammed.” AP

Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a prominent cleric and hardliner, told worshipers Friday at the Martyrs Mosque: "Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan."

In leaflets distributed earlier this week by Muslim groups and seen by CNN, the protesters promised a "popular release of anger" at demonstrations called for Friday.

The leaflets condemned Gibbons as an "infidel" and accused her of "the pollution of children's mentality" by her actions.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/30/sudan.bears/

Hmmmm, some food for thought?

[Kurd-BOSS]

And what makes you think all Muslims are calling for her death?
Most of them are brainwashed Sudanese and I as a Muslim condemn them.

Why aren't there Muslim-wide protests then?

Besides, 600 Sudanese protestors do also not represent the whole Sudanese people (yes including christian sudanese)

Your citations which you show up in each topic to look like an Islam-expert do not enlighten me at all, they belong to a longer Surah and they are taken out of context for prejudicial purposes.
Thanks man, Long live Muslims and Christians

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Chasey boy, you are not the infidel. You can't be since you are a christian, just relax

[chase]

Chasey boy, you are not the infidel. You can't be since you are a christian, just relax

Your clerics disagree with you. Take it up with them.

[chase]

And what makes you think all Muslims are calling for her death?
Most of them are brainwashed Sudanese and I as a Muslim condemn them.

Why aren't there Muslim-wide protests then?

Besides, 600 Sudanese protestors do also not represent the whole Sudanese people (yes including christian sudanese)

Your citations which you show up in each topic to look like an Islam-expert do not enlighten me at all, they belong to a longer Surah and they are taken out of context for prejudicial purposes.
Thanks man, Long live Muslims and Christians

It reads - paraphrasing - '600 crazies poured out of the mosques' after Friday prayers - was that the total number at the mobfest? I don't think the article stated the total amount.


Verses out of context? I can only come to three conclusions:

(1)... You can't read....or
(2)... you haven't read your own holy books... or
(3)... the most likely one, you lie.


All Muslims are calling for her death?

I don't believe I wrote that all Muslims wanted her death. Please point out where I said all?


But what I do know is that ALL non-Muslims are to be slaughtered if they don't submit to Islam. True or False?

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I think Chase you need to spend some time other than religious activites. Becouse you keep pointing fingers while forgetting to look at the mirror.

There are good christians and bad christians. There are good muslims and bad muslims etc. KKK burned hanged raped african americans for decades in the name of white christian america.. Hitler tried to build an aryan europe and killed millions.

In africa muslim tribes hunt for other religions. Taliban is killing in the name of god.

There are a lot of bad things happeneing and a lot of bad happened in the past. We will have bad things in the future for sure, we have to sperate bad apples from good ones or we will get into situations noone would like to see .

Just my 5 cents.

[chase]

Islamofascists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f...nchingyear.html

You want examples? Allahu Akbar!

I read your holy books - they're mostly about war/jihad - a call to butcher the disbelievers/kafirs (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4). Jews are compared to monkeys and pigs (2:65, 5:60, 7:166), while people who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God must according to the Koran be fought (9:30).

I found it interesting that Mohammad's last words at his deathbed were:

From the Hadiths - Mohammad: "Turn the non-Muslims our of the Arabian Peninsula." It explains a lot!

Are there Muslims who don't practice Mohammad's instructions? Thankfully yes - see post above - the one with the pictures - where I've also discussed why you're been misleading when you say that Islam is a religion like any other. It's not... No point in communicating with you when you don't read what I write.

[chase]

This weeks tolerance of the 'other' - thusfar:

Firebombs and Harassment Chasing Last Christians from Palestine:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

Christians are born to clean manure:
http://www.bosnewslife.com/asia-pacific/pa...an-farmers-rice

Israeli-Arab men brutally rape 'dirty Jew'
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?...8&nid=14645


Allahu Akbars: December 2007 - first few days:

12/3/2007 (Qila Saifullah, Pakistan) - The Taliban is suspected in the bombing of a school that leaves six teenaged boys 8dead.
12/2/2007 (Charsadda, Pakistan) - Religious extremists open fire on a cockfight, killing three civilians.
12/2/2007 (Sopore, India) - Muslim militants abduct a 22-year-old seminary student and slit his throat.
12/2/2007 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Two civilians are shot to death in their pickup truck by Muslim radicals.
12/2/2007 (Baqubah, Iraq) - A suicide bomber blows apart four Iraqis.
12/2/2007 (Medina, Somalia) - Islamists kill two civilians with a roadside bomb.
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
12/3/2007 Pakistan Qila Saifullah 6 6 The Taliban is suspected in the bombing of a school that leaves six teenaged boys dead.
12/2/2007 Iraq Iskandariya 4 2 Four civilians are killed at their own mosque by sectarian rivals.
12/2/2007 Pakistan Charsadda 3 5 Religious extremists open fire on a cockfight, killing three civilians.
12/2/2007 India Sopore 1 0 Muslim militants abduct a 22-year-old seminary student and slit his throat.
12/2/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two civilians are shot to death in their pickup truck by Muslim radicals.
12/2/2007 Iraq Baqubah 4 4 A suicide bomber blows apart four Iraqis.
12/2/2007 Somalia Medina 2 5 Islamists kill two civilians with a roadside bomb.
12/2/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Two civilians are shot in the head by Islamic militia members.
12/2/2007 Iraq Garma 20 0 The bodies of three children are among twenty found at a house previously occupied by Islamic terrorists.
12/2/2007 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Six civilians are murdered by Islamic terrorists in various attacks.
12/1/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 4 Islamists toss a grenade into a market, killing two civilians.
12/1/2007 Iraq Madaen 1 6 A suicide bomber kills an Iraqi at a traffic checkpoint.
12/1/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a man to death outside a mosque.
12/1/2007 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 3 0 Three civilians are killed by a roadside bomb planted by religious extremists.
12/1/2007 Iraq Dwelah 13 14 al-Qaeda gunmen storm a village, killing over a dozen innocents.
thereligionofpeace.com

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Islamofascists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f...nchingyear.html

You want examples? Allahu Akbar!

I read your holy books - they're mostly about war/jihad - a call to butcher the disbelievers/kafirs (2:191, 3:141, 4:91, 5:3), to roast them (4:56, 69:30-69:32), and to cause bloodbaths amongst them (47:4). Jews are compared to monkeys and pigs (2:65, 5:60, 7:166), while people who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God must according to the Koran be fought (9:30).

I found it interesting that Mohammad's last words at his deathbed were:

From the Hadiths - Mohammad: "Turn the non-Muslims our of the Arabian Peninsula." It explains a lot!

Are there Muslims who don't practice Mohammad's instructions? Thankfully yes - see post above - the one with the pictures - where I've also discussed why you're been misleading when you say that Islam is a religion like any other. It's not... No point in communicating with you when you don't read what I write.

Are you sure you read our holy BOOKS ? I mean if you are writing this than you really have no information about islam at all..

BTW, how many jews died at the hand of christians in WW2 and how many jews + christians died at the hands of muslims ??

I bet you a suit from Cacharel that the number of jews killed is more than the ones died in crusades + rest of muslim attacks until today. Do the math and come back again

[Jaff Sassani]

The root of the religion (Jewish, Christian and Muslim) comes from the Middle East and the evolutions started before the Zoroastrians religion and later by Abraham the father of the three moderns religion believing on the God to be our creator on the earth.

One very interesting point to make her only Judaism did not want expansion by forcing other people to become Jew. But unfortunately they did not escape the brutality of Christian and Muslim in the process.

Both Christian and Muslim they have very bloody past, today is Muslim using force to preserve the Islam and turn the clock back for forcing the Islamic doctrine around the world.

Both religion was used by politic in the past and now but the Christian religion are not controlled by one ethnic group while Islam are used by ethnic Arab from the day one and has been used successfully to occupy other peoples country, destroy their culture, destroy their religion, destroy their civilizations for the Arab superiority and dominations for ever.

The Islam need reform doesn’t matter what religion you are; you need to help the reform. If Islam gets reformed to be preached like Christian peacefully around the world and let the people to decide what they want to be, it is much better option in my opinion.

[chase]

Are you sure you read our holy BOOKS ? I mean if you are writing this than you really have no information about islam at all..

BTW, how many jews died at the hand of christians in WW2 and how many jews + christians died at the hands of muslims ??
I bet you a suit from Cacharel that the number of jews killed is more than the ones died in crusades + rest of muslim attacks until today. Do the math and come back again

Jesus a Jew, is the central figure of the Christian religion. Do you really think that Christians were going to be permitted to live once all the Jews were exterminated? Under the banner of the National Socialist party Hitler killed 12 million souls. It was the beginning. Hitler exterminated millions souls in Poland. Thousands of them were priests and nuns along with the disabled, gypsies etc. It was the beginning: "First they came for the Jews...sound familiar?....

In a Friday sermon on October 13, 2000, broadcast live on official ..... "First the Saturday people (the Jews), then the Sunday people (the Christians).
http://opinioneditorials.com/guestcontribu...g_20050101.html

The infamous Hitler Youth song:

_We are the joyous Hitler Youth;
_We have no need for Christian virtue.
_Our leader is our savior;
_The pope and rabbi shall be gone.
_We shall be pagans once again.

Hitler was the ultimate anti-Christian and the Holocaust was the greatest of anti-Christian acts.

Hitler was following the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Prove it by His words!

Are you sure you read our holy BOOKS ? I mean if you are writing this than you really have no information about islam at all..

Prove I'm wrong...

Hitlers Muslim name - Abu Ali.

In the annual protest against the Balfour Declaration held in 1943 at the Luftwaffe hall in Berlin, the Mufti praised the Germans because they "know how to get rid of the Jews, and that brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp is that up to day." Echoing Muhammad after the battle of Badr, on March 1, 1944 the Mufti called in a broadcast from Berlin:


"Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read....F-E1ECA1DA52A8}



Hitler The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51poygEXYU...and-modern.html

This youtube news report from Bayerischer Rundfunk explains in detail the cooperation between the Nazis and the Muslim Arab leaders during WW2. It goes on to explain how high ranking heads of the SS fled to the Arab world and carried on their activities under the protection of leaders such as President Nasser.

[chase]

Islam need reform doesn’t matter what religion you are; you need to help the reform. If Islam gets reformed to be preached like Christian peacefully around the world and let the people to decide what they want to be, it is much better option in my opinion.

Exactly! Unfortunately there are many Islamic apologists, lots of examples on this forum, and then there's the Islamofascist terrorists. The Koran will need to be reformed and sharia abolished before anything will change.

This is an interesting article. I haven't read it properly yet but it looks hopeful:

From Radical to Reformed Muslim -
Edip Yuksel, a Kurdish-Turkish-American author and progressive activist who spent four years in Turkish prisons in the 1980's for his political writings and activities promoting an Islamic revolution in Turkey. He experienced a paradigm change in 1986 transforming him from a Sunni Muslim leader to a reformed Muslim or rational monotheist.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....ED-6C5506CD3E82

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Chase are you telling me that Hitler killed all those in the name of islam

Also my point was, Germany was ( and is ) mostly Christians. The people in the german army were christians. This didn't stop them from killing.

Where does Jesus teach killing to his flock ? It is not like Hitler killed all those people himself, nor his commanding officers did. At the end the ones who pulled the trigger were any other Hans from the german army.

Anyway here are a few good reads about Hitler and religion. He was aiagnst the political part of religion but didn't interfere with the Curch mostly.

http://www.bede.org.uk/hitler.htm

This link quotes how he used Christianity to motivate Germans, and the rest of Christian Europe. The article olsa agrees that he was born and raised Catholic but somehow he stopped acting like one ( apperantly ) on the road to holocaust.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

Just open your mind neo, open your mind

[Rumtaya]

The root of the religion (Jewish, Christian and Muslim) comes from the Middle East and the evolutions started before the Zoroastrians religion and later by Abraham the father of the three moderns religion believing on the God to be our creator on the earth.

One very interesting point to make her only Judaism did not want expansion by forcing other people to become Jew. But unfortunately they did not escape the brutality of Christian and Muslim in the process.

Both Christian and Muslim they have very bloody past, today is Muslim using force to preserve the Islam and turn the clock back for forcing the Islamic doctrine around the world.

Both religion was used by politic in the past and now but the Christian religion are not controlled by one ethnic group while Islam are used by ethnic Arab from the day one and has been used successfully to occupy other peoples country, destroy their culture, destroy their religion, destroy their civilizations for the Arab superiority and dominations for ever.

The Islam need reform doesn’t matter what religion you are; you need to help the reform. If Islam gets reformed to be preached like Christian peacefully around the world and let the people to decide what they want to be, it is much better option in my opinion.

The Christians of Western Countries where forcing people into Christianism, but those one from the Middle East never used to take up a sword and force someone. I am speaking especially about the Church of the East who did a great missionare job converting people from syria till japan by preaching the gospel.

[chase]

Your articles don't interest me. A Christian is someone who follows Christ and His teachings. If you want to believe Hitler followed Jesus teachings then go ahead. You bore me.

Posted 12/03/07 11:11 PM
chase: No point in communicating with you when you don't read what I write.

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Your articles don't interest me. A Christian is someone who follows Christ and His teachings. If you want to believe Hitler followed Jesus teachings then go ahead. You bore me.

Yes, simply ignore the facts. But I will be here posting so your hate mesages won't spread.

[Jaff Sassani]

The Root of Terrorism, Extremism, and Hatred started from the Mecca in Saudi Arabia

The article above meant to bring the attention of the people to The Root of Terrorism today not to the history of the religion in the past. The Christian today they have peaceful missionary and we hope that Muslim will have peaceful missionary too.

The problem facing humanity and the future of the mankind are the dungaree of the Terrorism, so please use your energy to help reforming Islam, in hope that reform will stop Terrorism. By recognizing that the extremist Islamic Arab did hijack this religion to be used for their ambitions. In that process two extreme group emerged with two divergent view called Shitte Islam lead by the Islamic Republic of Iran and the other is Wahabi Islam lead by Saudi royal family both are very rich with their oil money may all mighty God help the humanity on earth, if they have Atomic bomb they are using it without thinking twice.

[Kurd-BOSS]

So kurd, are you saying I', making it all up? Are those words incorrect that I posted from the Koran?
Now these Muslims have my respect - note the Iraqi flag:


German Muslims protesting terrorism. Gee look at the 'huge' crowd!

what a propo post chase,
Those Iraqi's are protesting some terrorist attacks in Baghdad that were planned in Saudi Arabia,
It's not a "General anti-terrorism protest by Muslims"

You're not proving anything, instead you are just promoting another religion (by denying Christian involvement in the Holocaust), not trying to defame an other religion.

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The Root of Terrorism, Extremism, and Hatred started from the Mecca in Saudi Arabia

The article above meant to bring the attention of the people to The Root of Terrorism today not to the history of the religion in the past. The Christian today they have peaceful missionary and we hope that Muslim will have peaceful missionary too.

Mr GW Bush Jr declared his war on terror as the last crusade and in his crusade more than 100,000 civilians died. We can not know how many died in Afganistan due to the lack of information. ANd you call this peacefull missionary...


ANd the terrorists today he fights were created by his own govewrnment a few decades ago to stop another terrorist COMMUNISM. He used islam as a shiled against communism. Now he is trying to fight his own creation.

Yes nice way of peacefull missionary.

The only peacefull missionary was the church of east..

[Jaff Sassani]

You are mixing apples and oranges, there are different between religion missionaries and Government mission. give an example that christen missionaries killed any one. we are Muslim, the truth is from the day one Islamic missionaries was and it is Arabic nationalistic ideology in the name of Islam they are killing tacking what ever they can specially yang women, that is becoming Islamic missionaries.

Mr GW Bush Jr declared his war on terror as the last crusade and in his crusade more than 100,000 civilians died. We can not know how many died in Afganistan due to the lack of information. ANd you call this peacefull missionary...
ANd the terrorists today he fights were created by his own govewrnment a few decades ago to stop another terrorist COMMUNISM. He used islam as a shiled against communism. Now he is trying to fight his own creation.

Yes nice way of peacefull missionary.

The only peacefull missionary was the church of east..

[chase]

Yes, simply ignore the facts. But I will be here posting so your hate mesages won't spread.

I'm ssssshaking in mmmmy boots here. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

THESE VERSES AND MORE ARE IN THE KORAN - MOHAMMAD SAID:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

Now go back and read where I exchanged the word Disbelievers to Muslims and see how ugly and inciting it is towards the rest of us on the planet who don't believe in your ideology.

Here's an example of what happens when one follows the teachings of Mohammed:


The Three Missionaries who were tortured and murdered in Turkey


Details of the torture and murder:

...they were disemboweled, and their intestines sliced up in front of their eyes. They were emasculated and watched as those body parts were destroyed. Fingers were chopped off, their noses and mouths and anuses were sliced open. Finally, their throats were sliced from ear to ear, heads practically decapitated.

When the police burst through the door, they found the three with their hands and legs tied to chairs. Tilman and Necati were dead, their throats slit open. Ugur was on the floor but still breathing. He was rushed to a hospital but died several hours later.

The suspects reportedly told investigators that they killed the men in defense of Islam. All five were carrying a letter that read: "This should serve as a lesson to the enemies of our religion."


The wives of the murdered missionaries said:

Shemsa said, "We forgive them because Jesus forgave us."

"And He said we should love our enemies," Susanna said.
http://gto7.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/three...afe-in-america/



The murderers were following the teachings of Mohammed.

The missionaries wives were following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

How does one reconcile the hate speech and incitement to violence written in the Koran?

[chase]

You are mixing apples and oranges, there are different between religion missionaries and Government mission. give an example that christen missionaries killed any one. we are Muslim, the truth is from the day one Islamic missionaries was and it is Arabic nationalistic ideology in the name of Islam they are killing tacking what ever they can specially yang women, that is becoming Islamic missionaries.

Here's some reading jaff.

Videos - one of them an imam - I think you'd enjoy listening to him if you haven't already.
http://memritv.org/

Here's some links - mostly Muslims listed but also Christians who had to flee the ME:

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.aifdemocracy.org/

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/

http://www.irshadmanji.com/

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/390

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/

http://www.shoebat.com/

http://www.meforum.org/article/604

http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/

http://www.muslimworldtoday.com/aisha.htm

http://web.israelinsider.com/home.htm

http://www.daneshjoo.org/

http://wafasultan.org/

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/319

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005783

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/research_to....htm?topic=7684

http://www.arabsforisrael.com/

Fouad Ajami
http://apps.sais-jhu.edu/faculty_bios/faculty_bio1.php?ID=24

Fouad Ajami articles:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/author/fouad-ajami/index.html

Walid Phares
http://www.walidphares.com/

Amir Taheri
http://www.benadorassociates.com/taheri.php


'Innocent religion is now a message of hate'

It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.

The hostage-takers of children in Beslan, North Ossetia, were Muslims. The other hostage-takers and subsequent murderers of the Nepalese chefs and workers in Iraq were also Muslims. Those involved in rape and murder in Darfur, Sudan, are Muslims, with other Muslims chosen to be their victims.

Those responsible for the attacks on residential towers in Riyadh and Khobar were Muslims. The two women who crashed two airliners last week were also Muslims.
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Bin Laden is a Muslim. The majority of those who manned the suicide bombings against buses, vehicles, schools, houses and buildings, all over the world, were Muslim.

What a pathetic record. What an abominable "achievement". Does all this tell us anything about ourselves, our societies and our culture?

These images, when put together, or taken separately, are shameful and degrading. But let us start with putting an end to a history of denial. Let us acknowledge their reality, instead of denying them and seeking to justify them with sound and fury signifying nothing.

For it would be easy to cure ourselves if we realise the seriousness of our sickness. Self-cure starts with self-realisation and confession. We should then run after our terrorist sons, in the full knowledge that they are the sour grapes of a deformed culture.

Let us listen to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Sheikh - the Qatar-based radical Egyptian cleric - and hear him recite his "fatwa" about the religious permissibility of killing civilian Americans in Iraq. Let us contemplate the incident of this religious Sheikh allowing, nay even calling for, the murder of civilians.

This ailing Sheikh, in his last days, with two daughters studying in "infidel" Britain, soliciting children to kill innocent civilians.

How could this Sheikh face the mother of the youthful Nick Berg, who was slaughtered in Iraq because he wanted to build communication towers in that ravished country? How can we believe him when he tells us that Islam is the religion of mercy and peace while he is turning it into a religion of blood and slaughter?

In a different era, we used to consider the extremists, with nationalist or Leftist leanings, a menace and a source of corruption because of their adoption of violence as a means of discourse and their involvement in murder as an easy shortcut to their objectives.

At that time, the mosque used to be a haven, and the voice of religion used to be that of peace and reconciliation. Religious sermons were warm behests for a moral order and an ethical life.

Then came the Neo-Muslims. An innocent and benevolent religion, whose verses prohibit the felling of trees in the absence of urgent necessity, that calls murder the most heinous of crimes, that says explicitly that if you kill one person you have killed humanity as a whole, has been turned into a global message of hate and a universal war cry.

We can't call those who take schoolchildren as hostages our own.

We cannot tolerate in our midst those who abduct journalists, murder civilians, explode buses; we cannot accept them as related to us, whatever the sufferings they claim to justify their criminal deeds. These are the people who have smeared Islam and stained its image.

We cannot clear our names unless we own up to the shameful fact that terrorism has become an Islamic enterprise; an almost exclusive monopoly, implemented by Muslim men and women.

We cannot redeem our extremist youths, who commit all these heinous crimes, without confronting the Sheikhs who thought it ennobling to re-invent themselves as revolutionary ideologues, sending other people's sons and daughters to certain death, while sending their own children to European and American schools and colleges.

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is general manager of Al- Arabiya news channel. Yesterday, his article appeared in the pan-Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...05/wosse605.xml



M. Zuhdi Jasser

Apr. 4, 2003 10:00 AM
Name: M. Zuhdi Jasser

Occupation: Physician (Internist)

Year born: 1967

RELIGION: MUSLIM

Last president voted for: George W. Bush

People I most admire:

(1) Thomas Jefferson - one of our founding fathers with principle and character and a champion of representative democracy and the rights of man. He was not only a powerful advocate for liberty, but wrote the Declaration of Independence and authored the Act on Religious Freedom in Virginia in 1786 which is a model for legislation for the security of religious freedom.

(2) Sir William Osler - As the "father of internal medicine in America," Osler led a generation of young doctors away from only the textbooks and directly to the bedsides of the sick. He was the master of the science and the art of medicine, and he engrained into internal medicine the humanitarian, the academic, the egalitarian, and the devoted love of healing.

(3) Secretary of State Colin Powell - the son of Jamaican immigrants and a product of public education, Secretary of State and former Army General Powell served America for greater than 35 years in the military and serving as national security adviser, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and chair of multiple volunteer organizations prior to currently serving as Secretary of State.

Favorite columnists: Robert A. Levy, Cato Institute; Pete du Pont, The Wall Street Journal, Thomas Friedman, The New York Times, Fareed Zakaria, Newsweek, Ramesh Ponnuru, National Review.

What most people don't know about me: In one of my tours of service of my 11 years as a physician in the United States Navy, I served as medical department head aboard the U.S.S. El Paso (LKA-117) which took part in Operation Restore Hope in Somalia in 1993.

During my last tour of duty as an internist at the Office of the Attending Physician at the U.S. Capitol, I happened to be the physician on duty when Russell Weston, Jr. shot his way into the U.S. Capitol on July 24, 1998, ultimately killing two U.S. Capitol police officers. Four corpsmen and I were the first responders providing CPR and first aid to the two Capitol police officer victims of the gruesome gun battle that occurred immediately down the hall from our Capitol clinic offices.

Favorite restaurant: Tutti Santi ristorante Italiano and Ruth's Chris Steak House

A dish to die for: Stuffed grape leaves

Favorite place in Arizona: Sedona

The books I'll read again: Democracy in America, by Alexis de Tocqueville; The Law, by Frédéric Bastiat; What's so Great about America, by Dinesh D'Souza, The Prophet by Kalil Gibran.

The movie I'll never see again: The Siege (2001). While dramatically engaging and generally humanizing, the movie portrays how terrorist incidents result in the suspension of civil rights. This leads to the herding of Arab-Americans into barb-wired detention areas where they are held without trial all in the name of "military necessity." The whole "fictional scenario" is just too painful to ever watch again.

The movies I have to watch at least once a year:

(1) Patriot (2000), starring Mel Gibson.

(2) Patch Adams (1998), starring Robin Williams.

(3) Braveheart (1995), starring Mel Gibson

(4) Glory (1989)

Bury me with my ... wedding ring, my stethoscope, my laptop, my Peter Gabriel CDs, my copy of the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Holy Koran and the American flag which had flown above the U.S. Capitol and was given to me upon completion of my tour of duty as an internist with the United States Congress in 1999 and my 11 years of service with the U.S. Navy.

Quotes to live by:

(1) E pluribis unum - "from many one," the American motto.

(2) "The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time." - Thomas Jefferson.

(3) "Be kind to those on earth and He who is in heaven will send you His blessings." - Prophet Mohammed

(4) "Live as if to die tomorrow. Learn as if to live forever" - Mahatma Gandhi

(5) "In seeking absolute truth, we aim at the unattainable and must be content with finding broken portions." - Sir William Osler

(6) "My dream is of a place and time where America will once again be seen as the last best hope of earth." - Abraham Lincoln
http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special0...4jasser-ON.html

"Islam can be whatever Muslims wish to make of it."

"Interpretations already exist (such as that of the Sudanese scholar Mahmud Muhammad Taha) that upturn centuries of Koranic interpretation and would make Islam compatible with modernity. They exist, ready for the taking."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....D-0475C02355A6}

The Islamic Ghandi - Mahmud Muhammad Taha:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Mohamed_Taha

I have some hope however remote.

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Chasy boy, there are good muslims and bad muslims, as there are good christians and bad christians. Your efforts to show all muslims as blood thirsty people are plain stupid.


There is no logic in thinking billion people are just waiting for their turns to kill other people ...

[irlandahay]

Chasy boy, there are good muslims and bad muslims, as there are good christians and bad christians. Your efforts to show all muslims as blood thirsty people are plain stupid.
There is no logic in thinking billion people are just waiting for their turns to kill other people ...

Yes, if your a good christian, you become someone like the pope or mother teresa, when you are a good moslem, you become Osama bin laden or Ayatola Khomeini.

This is ridiculous. This religion has spread and destroyed everything in its wake. It destroyed persia who drew up the first charter of human rights. It is now destroying europe!

When the pope read a FIFTH CENTURY QUOTE saying islam was violent, the moslem world was outraged... makes sense I'd be pissed too. How do they answer? well by doing what they do best, burning cars, taking to the streets beating and killing christians... so tell me, did they prove the pope wrong?

Islam is an invading force and not a peaceful religion, it treats their women as objects and posessions of man.

I see it every day, how Islam is coming and imposing itself! All this cr*p about reasonable accomodations, removing crosses in school or government buildings so moslems feel at home. I will have no problem with muslims as long as they stay in their own countrys and bomb each other instead of us.

Savage idiots...

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Yes, if your a good christian, you become someone like the pope or mother teresa, when you are a good moslem, you become Osama bin laden or Ayatola Khomeini.

This is ridiculous. This religion has spread and destroyed everything in its wake. It destroyed persia who drew up the first charter of human rights. It is now destroying europe!

When the pope read a FIFTH CENTURY QUOTE saying islam was violent, the moslem world was outraged... makes sense I'd be pissed too. How do they answer? well by doing what they do best, burning cars, taking to the streets beating and killing christians... so tell me, did they prove the pope wrong?

Islam is an invading force and not a peaceful religion, it treats their women as objects and posessions of man.

I see it every day, how Islam is coming and imposing itself! All this cr*p about reasonable accomodations, removing crosses in school or government buildings so moslems feel at home. I will have no problem with muslims as long as they stay in their own countrys and bomb each other instead of us.

Savage idiots...

Well while Europe was using their gardens as their toilets Ibni Sina was working on medics and al gebra. And before 15th century they were burning women on stakes for being witches... I just can not get why you guys are so much prejudiced.

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arrow, first off, chase is not a boy,

second. though only a minority of muslims actually commit terrorist crimes, a large majority support it to some degree

also, chase is not trying to show that there are good or bad muslims, she is showing that the religion in itself is has roots in this violence.
yes, there could be bad christians, but the reality is that christians are humans, and humans can be corrupted, so it is easly for humans to interpret the biblical teachings for their own advantage, but in islam, this corruption is within the coran itself, thus the teachings at the source.

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arrow, first off, chase is not a boy,

second. though only a minority of muslims actually commit terrorist crimes, a large majority support it to some degree

also, chase is not trying to show that there are good or bad muslims, she is showing that the religion in itself is has roots in this violence.
yes, there could be bad christians, but the reality is that christians are humans, and humans can be corrupted, so it is easly for humans to interpret the biblical teachings for their own advantage, but in islam, this corruption is within the coran itself, thus the teachings at the source.

I was picturing her in my mind as a little boy obsessed with religion now I picture a girl with same obsession.

What islamofobics keep repeat over and over is so meaningless to muslims becouse a christian nor a jew can not be infidels.

ANd telling that christians are corrupted thus you can not blame christianity for human crimes is not correct way of thinking. A christianity ruled by a class ( in chase's case vatican and her clercks ) can manupilate people to do things for christianity while they hide their own agenda. We all know the real reason behind the crusades was land + money but the church offered the peasants a place on heavan and much more religiouswise.

I am against all religious people that follow a person rather than what the holy books teach them. And this brings the problem of Holy Bible's publishing date. It was in council of nicea they shaped today's bible about 350 years after Jesus Christ passed away / taken to heaven. On the other hand Torah and Kuran were written during the time their prophets were alive.

I am not a teologist but I do know that all religions on earth today are corrupted someway or another.
And telling people what they choose to believe is wicked or wrong, and doing this in a provocative manner, is actually worse that they even realise.

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I was picturing her in my mind as a little boy obsessed with religion now I picture a girl with same obsession.

What islamofobics keep repeat over and over is so meaningless to muslims becouse a christian nor a jew can not be infidels.

ANd telling that christians are corrupted thus you can not blame christianity for human crimes is not correct way of thinking. A christianity ruled by a class ( in chase's case vatican and her clercks ) can manupilate people to do things for christianity while they hide their own agenda. We all know the real reason behind the crusades was land + money but the church offered the peasants a place on heavan and much more religiouswise.

I am against all religious people that follow a person rather than what the holy books teach them. And this brings the problem of Holy Bible's publishing date. It was in council of nicea they shaped today's bible about 350 years after Jesus Christ passed away / taken to heaven. On the other hand Torah and Kuran were written during the time their prophets were alive.

I am not a teologist but I do know that all religions on earth today are corrupted someway or another.
And telling people what they choose to believe is wicked or wrong, and doing this in a provocative manner, is actually worse that they even realise.

And a lone Imam can manipulate a young teen into blowing himself up in a bus. Aside from the crusades (which might I remind you were started by the moslems), what other horrendus crimes can you attribute to christianity? The Inquisition? fine but that was more a government act and not a religious one.

But yes, church and priests are corrupt, but the point is Christianity and christiandom have evolved in the past hundred years. Islam hasnt. Your women are still objects, your laws still barbaric, your ways still uncivilised and your people still violent.

IN the holy books of the Torah or the Bible there are no such rules and laws as to kill infidels as you say, but in the Koran there are. In the Koran there are all those laws I mentionned above, about getting rid of infidels, about treating your women as an object, about 77 virgins in heaven.

And the Torah was written during King David's time, at least a thousand years after Abraham. And I doubt the Kuran was written during mohammeds time because it told of his death, how can it tell of his death if he's still alive.

You can blow yourselves up all you want, just do it in your own damned countries.

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.... what other horrendus crimes can you attribute to christianity?

None, I will not accuse any religion of any crimes, even if a person worships a stone fine by me. It is we humans do the fault not the religions and besides the religions are to better the humans..

But yes, church and priests are corrupt, but the point is Christianity and christiandom have evolved in the past hundred years. Islam hasnt. Your women are still objects, your laws still barbaric, your ways still uncivilised and your people still violent.

I live in a muslim nation but a secular state, your accusations means nothing to me. As for violance, I am sure you are as violent as anyother person. Wait till someone hits the right nerve on you

IN the holy books of the Torah or the Bible there are no such rules and laws as to kill infidels as you say, but in the Koran there are. In the Koran there are all those laws I mentionned above, about getting rid of infidels, about treating your women as an object, about 77 virgins in heaven.

Are you sure about Torah ? Are you telling me that in Torah it forbids you to kill? What if I prove you wrong. And where is this rule about 77 virgins in Kuran, damn I do need to start praying and living a muslim life..

And the Torah was written during King David's time, at least a thousand years after Abraham. And I doubt the Kuran was written during mohammeds time because it told of his death, how can it tell of his death if he's still alive.

For the sake of our previous fun times I will let this one go by and act as I haven't read it at all. Is this what they teach you at school

You can blow yourselves up all you want, just do it in your own damned countries.

Well you need to tell it to the coalition forces and mercenaries killing civilians daily in Iraq. How many civilians dead by now ? 2-3 hundred thousand ??

[irlandahay]

None, I will not accuse any religion of any crimes, even if a person worships a stone fine by me. It is we humans do the fault not the religions and besides the religions are to better the humans..

I live in a muslim nation but a secular state, your accusations means nothing to me. As for violance, I am sure you are as violent as anyother person. Wait till someone hits the right nerve on you

Are you sure about Torah ? Are you telling me that in Torah it forbids you to kill? What if I prove you wrong. And where is this rule about 77 virgins in Kuran, damn I do need to start praying and living a muslim life..

For the sake of our previous fun times I will let this one go by and act as I haven't read it at all. Is this what they teach you at school

Well you need to tell it to the coalition forces and mercenaries killing civilians daily in Iraq. How many civilians dead by now ? 2-3 hundred thousand ??

In your previous post you accused Christianity of all kinds of things.

of course, but I'm no hypocrite and do not try to justify my violence under any circumstances, unlike islam

I'm not jewish and therefore couldnt care less, but when was the last time you heard of a jewish suicide bomber? And ten commandments, first commandment "Thou shalt not kill". Seems pretty straightforward.

I dont take religion at school so or answer it, prove me wrong, or go about your day with your head bowed...

And who killed all those civilians? how many bombs went off set by a towel-head scumbag on a bus or a veiled ##### woman blowing herself up in a crowded market? and then you blame coalition forces? How many kids came home from school on september 11th only to find that mommy and daddy arnt home because the towers they work in were blown to ######?