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Why do the Chechens hate rule by Russia?
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post 06/12/07 08:17 PM
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Well I live in one unlike you, so I'm assuming that I do. LOL!

in that case, please share..

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In the same sense of mind that it was a kingdom within an empire of which you had called a country.

and incase you haven't yet understood, even after posting 150 times on this forum, WE DID NOT ENJOY BEING A VASSAL TO LARGER EMPIRES...and now you want to bring us back into one???


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A federation is a group of states that hold equal power over the entire dominion.

just as i suspected, you have no idea. what you gave me now is a loose description of a CONFEDERATION..

a federation is centrally ruled, and outlying regions and peoples have no autonomy towards the central government, and that is precisely why we armenians do not want our decisions made by persians, kurds or muslim arabs, since we believe we have done enough on this world to merit our self determination.

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No. But your attitude reaks.

once again, the week minded takes out the personal insults when no where else to turn..
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 06/12/07 08:17 PM) [snapback]111633[/snapback]
in that case, please share..


Considering how rude you've been to me recently, I'll think about it.

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and incase you haven't yet understand, even after posting 150 times on this forum, WE DID NOT ENJOY BEING A VASSAL TO LARGER EMPIRE...


Except for the Greeks of course... LOL!

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and now you want to bring us back into one???


Obviously it is pointless trying to talk to you and explain to you the difference between a Swiss Federation and an Empire. But I'll give you some reading material and come back in about a year and see what progress you've made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire

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just as i suspected, you have no idea. what you gave me now is a loose description of a CONFEDERATION..

a federation is centrally ruled, and outlying regions and peoples have no autonomy towards the central government, and that is precisely why we armenians do not want our decisions made by persians, kurds or muslim arabs, since we believe we have done enough on this world to merit our self determination.


Actually a federation does hold equal power over the entire dominion. There are cases of which some states may hold more power than others. It depends on the organization. A confederation is simply just a weaker version of a federation.

But you are right in only one matter, simply having a federal government isn't really saying much. It is the whole design and organization of this union that matters. My idea of a federal government is one much similar to that of Switzerland.

I've also manage to come up many other unique features that would boast the insure equality between Armenians and others. Unless of course you Armenians have managed to anger everyone to such an extreme extent that they all have no other choice but to form an alliance together simply to vote out each of your appeals like what happened in Yugoslavia.

Peace with Armenia will strictly depend on Armenia's role to no longer be a whiney little b*tch.

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once again, the weak minded takes out the personal insults when no where else to turn..
It wasn't an insult if it is a fact. And you attitude does reak. You just don't like having any faults.
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post 06/18/07 06:58 PM
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Actually a federation does hold equal power over the entire dominion. There are cases of which some states may hold more power than others. It depends on the organization. A confederation is simply just a weaker version of a federation.


exactly my point..

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Obviously it is pointless trying to talk to you

look i am an armenian, and you cannot go around into making your soviet empire in the middle east without going through me, so you have to talk to me anyways, me, and my fellow 10 million compatriots.

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I've also manage to come up many other unique features that would boast the insure equality between Armenians and others. Unless of course you Armenians have managed to anger everyone to such an extreme extent that they all have no other choice but to form an alliance together simply to


why would you waist your time going through all that trouble instead of simply letting us live free in self determination ?
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post 06/19/07 02:09 AM
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I am all in for a free ermenistan. At least they have some courage and will pick their own fights unlike ruskis that love to use other people as their servants... I blame russia for all those happened between Ottomans and her ermeni subjects....
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post 06/19/07 08:20 PM
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i appreciate that, but once again, you try to throw the blaime on another empire other then your own..

the russians were just a pretext in 'the event's which are nothing less then genocide...assume your responsability
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i appreciate that, but once again, you try to throw the blaime on another empire other then your own..

the russians were just a pretext in 'the event's which are nothing less then genocide...assume your responsability



I never had an empire, for a blame to be accepted first you need to prove your case on a court. We'll talk about it after the trial, if it ever happens....
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look, the trial for the genocide of rewanda..a genocide where the whole world was present, with cameras and everything, just opened this year in montreal...

some 12 years after the events...
but while we are at it, i must inform you that we are after the trial, since the trial happened in 1919, where all 3 young turks were sentenced, in absentia to crimes against humanity (since the term genocide did not exist at the time)...

so, there you go, we did have a trial for it...
now do you want to talk?

and yes, you had the ottoman empire...remember? it was only 90 years ago..
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And we had the malta tribunals. All of the accused were found not guilty and set free.
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lol, kemalist countertribunals, are we supposed to believe in their validity?
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 06/22/07 08:50 AM) [snapback]112393[/snapback]
lol, kemalist countertribunals, are we supposed to believe in their validity?



OMG, Malta is like the island in Medeterranian sea, south of Italy... All of the people trialed there were trialed by UK and France military judges and the accusers were ermeni.. All of the accused were found not guilty.

PS: When the result suits you the judgement is fair and if not you don't trust them. How nice lawyer you will be. You keep talking about the Ottoman trial in absentee of Talat but you can't even trust UK and French judges... Great job icon_smile.gif
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post 06/27/07 04:11 PM
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but the ones who tried talaat and his buddies were uk, french and ottoman judges...so i can say the same about you..
and i don't think you properly looked into the mallta trials
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 06/28/07 01:11 AM) [snapback]112845[/snapback]
but the ones who tried talaat and his buddies were uk, french and ottoman judges...so i can say the same about you..
and i don't think you properly looked into the mallta trials



You are wrong, again....

Talat was judged by Ottoman military judges.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_Talat_Pasha

A week later, Talat Pasha, Enver Pasha and Djemal Pasha fled to Berlin. All three men would be dead by the end of 1922. Talat was killed by an Armenian named Soghomon Tehlirian in March 1921 for his role in ordering the massacre of Armenians in his village. Even though Soghomon Tehlirian did conduct the murder, he was found Innocent by a German court; due to his war crimes, and the fact Talat Pasha was already sentenced to death in absentia by an Ottoman military tribunal.

So you can't say the same about me at all...


PS: please tell me which part of the malt tribunals I misunderstood... The best part of the tribunals is they couldn't even gather evidence enough to sue just one detainee. Just like ermenis today, they couldn't prove their false accusations, even with forged documents....
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yes, thank you for wholy proving my point..

as i had said a few posts up, the first constantinople tribunal was conducted by ottomans, under the supervision of the allies..
so basically, even your own people condemned them.
and as you can see, so did a german tribunal, in 1922..

and yes i can say the same about you..
and yes....there arre lootsss and lootssss of proof, and we keep bringing it up, and you keep dismissing it..
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 07/13/07 05:02 PM) [snapback]113600[/snapback]
yes, thank you for wholy proving my point..

as i had said a few posts up, the first constantinople tribunal was conducted by ottomans, under the supervision of the allies..
so basically, even your own people condemned them.
and as you can see, so did a german tribunal, in 1922..

and yes i can say the same about you..
and yes....there arre lootsss and lootssss of proof, and we keep bringing it up, and you keep dismissing it..



Ok Mr Lawyer wannabe; just show me that Talat was sentenced t death for humanity crimes and I will agree you. I say that he was sentenced to death becouse of choosing the wrong side in WW1.

And remember your witnesess are dying of old age, hurry up, finish law school and go to a court. Since you have all the documents why wait smiley23.gif
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thank you for acknowledging that i am the specialist on the matter..
do you know how long, and how much money it takes to start a trial?
i mean, you live in canada, look at Sr. black. he just got convicted, ...after 3 years..
and he is just one man,
now imagine the trial of a government, already non-existant, for the murder of a whole nation, 90 years ago..
don't get me wrong, im not saying it can't be done, i am saying that it will take time, but in the end, justice WILL prevail


yes, our witnesses are aging, and that is why we armenians, in all our genius, have decided to use a modern tool called a camera, and we have recorded all the stories...

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QUOTE(Hosank @ 07/20/07 04:31 AM) [snapback]113958[/snapback]
thank you for acknowledging that i am the specialist on the matter..
do you know how long, and how much money it takes to start a trial?
i mean, you live in canada, look at Sr. black. he just got convicted, ...after 3 years..
and he is just one man,
now imagine the trial of a government, already non-existant, for the murder of a whole nation, 90 years ago..
don't get me wrong, im not saying it can't be done, i am saying that it will take time, but in the end, justice WILL prevail
yes, our witnesses are aging, and that is why we armenians, in all our genius, have decided to use a modern tool called a camera, and we have recorded all the stories...


I don't care how hard it can be for you, but I am sure it must be easier than talking about it for 90 years, even going marginal and forming terror organisations and taking lives. It really bothers me though, you a future lawyer, making up excuses for such a case. I know it takes time and money and it may even be a fragile thing becouse of the context but if I felt like the victim of one of the worst crimes in history I wouldn't make excuses and do something. You don't have to be the finisher of the case all you need is to start it. You may not see the end but you will know that it will end as you put it justice will prevail. And I agree this with all my heart.

So stop making up excuses and start working your lazy azz icon_razz.gif

Oh and the day you put video images as evidence is the day you will loose your ground. Those can be edited you know. And I don't understand why not use the live people rahter to use videos ??
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words can be changed, documents can be forged, judges and jury can be bribed....when will we begin to trust each other?

actually, as a future lawyer, as you like to keep reminding us all, i am simply stating fact, which is what lawyers do, i am not talking about excuses..
i am telling you that it will happen, and what is it to you that it happens now or in 10 years? since the convition will be the same, ..

weither turkey accepts it or not will be another matter (and i suspect they won't since they didn't 90 years ago, and used it's position between the west and communism to it's benefit)
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 07/20/07 06:56 PM) [snapback]113983[/snapback]
words can be changed, documents can be forged, judges and jury can be bribed....when will we begin to trust each other?

actually, as a future lawyer, as you like to keep reminding us all, i am simply stating fact, which is what lawyers do, i am not talking about excuses..
i am telling you that it will happen, and what is it to you that it happens now or in 10 years? since the convition will be the same, ..

weither turkey accepts it or not will be another matter (and i suspect they won't since they didn't 90 years ago, and used it's position between the west and communism to it's benefit)



Ok since you are going to take it to court later on, then we can discuss about different matters. Good to know.

Oh and if you are going to tell me that a lawyer only states facts, then you are lying. What happened to the right of defence by attorney of all accused, be innocent or guilty.

Aren't there lawyers that defend the people we all know that to be guilty ??
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ah yes, but a statement is considered fact till proven otherwise, and since our statements have not been proven otherwise, then they are considered fact
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Aren't there lawyers that defend the people we all know that to be guilty ??


well you should know, your government hired them! icon_wink.gif
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well you should know, your government hired them! icon_wink.gif



Yea yea I know we genocide all and everything and all of you history profs. / judges and accusers are already sure of our guilt and we should give you money , lands, excuses etc and pay for some old crime etc...

This is getting booooorrriiiiinnnnggg....

As I said, please keep the ermeni hatered stuff in ermeni / Turk forums. Thank you.
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Sometimes arrow, I wish you weren’t so dumb. Why do you turn you check at all the documents, pictures, witnesses, and evidence we throw at you? Do you realize that if we follow the conditions you set for something to be proven fact, we could deny WWI?
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though i agree with arrow that this is not the place for such an argument..

i must say that just because it happened a long time ago, and it's boring to you does not justify denial, and i must also say that it was not a long time ago, but only 92 years ago, during our epoque, it's not like we are dealing with something that our ancestors did, but rather our own grandfathers...
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Hosank;

If i were you; i 'd support Chechnians instead of defending russkiy bears.
Because Chechnians are ethnically in Aryanic bloodline.
Cousins of Armenians. icon_smile.gif

Muslim Armenians lets say icon_razz.gif
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lol, they are not armenians, though they are distantly related (as they are north-caucasian), but either way, the violence in chechnya has all but receeded now, ever since the russians have brought in economic 'stability' to the ravadged oblast.

and mordoth, if you scroll up, you will see that you claimed on ceveral occasions that the chechens were a proud turkic people...
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QUOTE(Hosank @ 04/02/08 12:24 PM) [snapback]121007[/snapback]
lol, they are not armenians, though they are distantly related (as they are north-caucasian), but either way, the violence in chechnya has all but receeded now, ever since the russians have brought in economic 'stability' to the ravadged oblast.

and mordoth, if you scroll up, you will see that you claimed on ceveral occasions that the chechens were a proud turkic people...



yes hosank why you supporting of the russians? they not have right on caucasus they not kavkaz people..they not have what to do there. russia are imperialistic evil country they make wars around the world they support terror organization like the hammas and hizballah and later they cry when arabic fanatic muslim give help to chechens lol. they are stupid.

i have nothing against russsians people but russia as a country only troubles-makers.
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hey not have right on caucasus they not kavkaz people..they not have what to do there. russia are imperialistic evil country they make wars around the world they support terror organization like the hammas and hizballah and later they cry when arabic fanatic muslim give help to chechens lol. they are stupid.

i'm not a great fan of russia's foreign policy, but quite frankly, i find that some of those northcaucasian states are just nests of stupidity and fanaticism. (such as chechnia), and anyways, most other oblasts are just too small to run themselves as independent states/
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