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Azaris are not Turks. They are Iranians who speak Turkish
Keyvan Valizadeh
June 7, 2005
iranian.com unedited
I am sorry but my english is very weak. My name is Keyvan Valizadeh and I am an Iranian Azari born in Belgium.
I was taught in my childhood that we were "iranian tork" but when I was 16, I told myself that this was weird to be both iranian and turk. I wanted to be sure of my identity. And I remember that I hated the Persians because I heard from pan-turkist azaris that we were being oppressed by them for hundreds years.
The fact that we spoke a turkish language was enough for me to claim I was in fact a Turk. But with time I discovered that these pan-turkist nationalists didn't reveal us all about our history and many of their claims was totally false. But I feel to be turkish even if I begin hesitating about the origin of my people.
I was suddenly sad not to know my origins. I begin to search books about the history of the Azaris. I read books of Ahmad Kasravi and books of the "Azari nationalists". I understood that the historical facts were hidden by those "nationalists" and I found that many of their claims were lies (like the Azari language didn't exist and that the Azaris are in fact Turks that settled in Iran). Archeological founds said indeed the opposite.
But I was sure I was a Turk because of the language my family spoke.
My parents were very disappointing when I said to them that they were not Iranians and in fact traitors that prefered to change their identity. The castle of Babak Khorramdin, this Azari Hero that fought the Arabs was a proof for them that our ancestors were Iranians as both the Azaris and Persians spoke different dialects of the same language and that both were Zoroastrians at that time.
I was really impressed about their knowledge and was rather amused by the fact that I could have found answers of all my questions without reading all of these books. Azaris are in fact aware of their history, something the Turks don't know. But I wasn't still conviced.
I went to this famous Babak Castle that the pan-turkist Azaris praised. I didn't know why these pan-turkists that I admired earlier didn't said what was the real goal of his fight against the Arabs. Years before in Maragheh (where I am from) the pan-turkists gave me leaflets that said the "first Azeri hero that fought the Persians for their independance was Babak Khorramdin".
I was now shocked because I knew it was false. I knew that Babak (whose name I noticed was not turkish) was fighting the Arabs and not the Persians and wanted to restore the glory of Persia and the ancient religion of the Persians. And I distanced myself from them. Because I hated their ocean of lies and like Hafez said: Do not consider the intestinal conflicts of sects for, not having found the truth, they went to the invention
Today I feel great and can argue about our origins with other Azaris. Many of the Azaris I spoke had discovered the Truth too and were glad to say that their ancestors were Cyrus or Dariush and not the Mongols the Turks claim to be their ancestors. Some others didn't want to know. Books about Azaris are indeed very rare and the Iranians don't have written books about us contrary to the Turks.
Today even if I don't hate the Persian anymore (how could I hate my brothers and sisters ?) I am really confused about the fact that they have dropped us in this historical battle. Because I assume they think they have no right to intervene. Something that is totally irresponsable. If others peoples of the Iranian family (be it Lors, Persians, Baluchs, Kurds, Bakhtiaris, Gilakis, etc) don't help us the political agenda of Turkey or the pan-turkists will be achieved.
http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2005/June/A...zari/index.html
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09/01/05 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(BIGTURK) An amazing piece of propoganda LOL, from that Non-Biased site http://www.iranian.com hahahaha if you believe this Pers you'll believe anything, just like you said were all Persians innit  the whole world is Persian, what inward looking people, your country is stuck in the dark ages, you dont even accept Woman as people I couldt expect you to recognise Turks. why is this fool keep repeating the same old crap all over again and again? PANTURK,do you even read what i post. if you dont, then shut up and stop throwing crap when you dont know what you're throwing at.
This article was written by an IRANIAN AZARI, so why dont you go talk to him. im just providing you with facts and articles here.
I never said that Azeris are persians. I said they are IRanian. and no the whole wolrd is NOT persian.I THINK I HAVE REPEATED MYSELF ENOUGH ALREADY DAMN IT. get that through your ignorant head.
oh now you start throwing racist remarks at iranians, im not going to even continue this discussion with an aggressive racist pig such as you.
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09/11/05 11:18 PM
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If that's the case, then Persians are not Persians or Iranians or Aryans or Indo-Europeans, they are Arabs and they were ruled 1,000 years by Turks so go figure what they are.
But in reality, the only reason why Persians say that Azerbaijanis are not Turks is because they are intimidated by the word "Turk" and that's why the Pahlavi Shahs of Iran tried to efface the identity of Iran's Turkic people (Azerbaijanis, Turkmens, Khorasani Turks, Qashqayi Turks, Khalaj Turks and others) so that they will assimilate them. Since Iran is built on Persian nationalism, Persian "free-thinkers" are taught that Turks are only from Turkey, which has kept them either chauvinist or naive.
There are so many Turkic activists from Iran that are fighting for their rights that it seems almost pointless for a chauvinist from Iran to say that the Azerbaijanis are anything but Turks.
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09/12/05 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(Urmiya) If that's the case, then Persians are not Persians or Iranians or Aryans or Indo-Europeans, they are Arabs and they were ruled 1,000 years by Turks so go figure what they are.
But in reality, the only reason why Persians say that Azerbaijanis are not Turks is because they are intimidated by the word \"Turk\" and that's why the Pahlavi Shahs of Iran tried to efface the identity of Iran's Turkic people (Azerbaijanis, Turkmens, Khorasani Turks, Qashqayi Turks, Khalaj Turks and others) so that they will assimilate them. Since Iran is built on Persian nationalism, Persian \"free-thinkers\" are taught that Turks are only from Turkey, which has kept them either chauvinist or naive.
There are so many Turkic activists from Iran that are fighting for their rights that it seems almost pointless for a chauvinist from Iran to say that the Azerbaijanis are anything but Turks.
The Azeri and the rest of the people you mentioned are in fact Turkish - BUT the one you missed on was the Khoresanî Kurds...
I mean - I am not even sure we are talking about the same population since Khoresan is VERY lage - but I am talking about the NORTHERN part of this province - There live around a million Kurds. They were deported (and of them paid) to move to the Eastern frontier of "Iran" to defend the Empire from the Turkish(Mongol) invasion...
They are thus and BY fact KURDS... But the rest of the peoples you mentioned are Turkish, yes...
And welcome to the site - Where you from? (Urmiye?)
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09/14/05 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(Dîrî) QUOTE(BIGTURK) Sohrab but there are no Turks or Kurds we are all Persian and Iranians we dont exist according to a member \"Persian\" on this site  Don't worry... Persians are more KABA than any other nation...  Even more than Turks! 
Look brother - the thing about Persians is: They are dominating a population of 70 million - and which of 80% isn't even Persian...
Wouldn't YOU feel good if you had 60 million slaves? what does this suppose to mean???
Diri, I dont get you, one time you say you dont hate persians, but here you call them slave owners (which everybody hates slave owners) so which one is it?
and where do you get that information from anyway???
persians constitue 51% of iran alone, im not even including afghanistan and tajikistan., and besides most of the politicians are of azari origin, so how do you come about saying that persian are "dominating".
stop joking around man.
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09/14/05 08:31 PM
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Persian again having a superiority sydrone complex.
You heard what Diri said, it doesnt need any repeating, after reading what you write and hearing your views I'm beginning to see his point.
Persians are dominating, if there are 30 Million Turkish speakers and how many Kurds Diri is it 10 Million or more and other groups where do the Persians suddenly become a mass majority.
Could you stop insulting Urmiya just cos you cant cope with what he writes, he is new to the forum and doesnt need your un-logical ridiculous arguments hurled at him. Do you know him to be speaking about him, has he told you this or are you again making up stories or is it again as it is always with you, I THINK.
Your a make believe Azeri you cant speak our Language know nothing about our history and ways and deny who you claim you are, who are you fooling
Diri I am a Kurd, I am really Turkish, I cant speak a word of Kurdish and dont have a clue about our history but am a Kurd and Kurds are Turks and part of the Turkish race just some are a bit confused, you believe me dont you sure...
Thats how you sound Persian yep ridiculous.
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10/13/05 05:26 PM
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Maybe I can share some information. This all has been found on the CIA site: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/ir.html
Ethnic groups
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
Languages
Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%
And offcourse by 'Turkic and Turkic dialects' they mean Azeri
Population
68,017,860 (July 2005 est.)
This would mean there are about 16-17 million Azeri people living in Iran. As a Azeri I know we belong more to the Turkish people then to the Iranians. The only reason why we have any connection with Iran is because of South Azerbaycan is in Iran. And once that has been given back to Azerbaycan there would be no connection left. So basicly 24% of Iranian are in fact Azeri people and not in reverse.
And in your previous post you gave us an example on how much the other ethnic people love Iran based on soccer. I like watching Italy play, they have good tactics and I always cheer for them, but does this mean I love Italy? If these other ethnic people love Iran why arent they at least learning the language? Only 58% speaks Persian.
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10/13/05 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(Azeri) Maybe I can share some information. This all has been found on the CIA site: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/ir.html
Ethnic groups
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
Languages
Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%
And offcourse by 'Turkic and Turkic dialects' they mean Azeri
Population
68,017,860 (July 2005 est.)
This would mean there are about 16-17 million Azeri people living in Iran. As a Azeri I know we belong more to the Turkish people then to the Iranians. The only reason why we have any connection with Iran is because of South Azerbaycan is in Iran. And once that has been given back to Azerbaycan there would be no connection left. So basicly 24% of Iranian are in fact Azeri people and not in reverse.
And in your previous post you gave us an example on how much the other ethnic people love Iran based on soccer. I like watching Italy play, they have good tactics and I always cheer for them, but does this mean I love Italy? If these other ethnic people love Iran why arent they at least learning the language? Only 58% speaks Persian. You DO know those numbers are wrong?
It's
The nine largest ethnicities in Iran and their estimated in numbers and % (of 70 million):
Azeri ca. 40 % = 28 million
Persian ca. 15 % = 10,5 million
Kurd ca. 15 % = 10,5 million
Arab ca. 8 % = 5,6 million
Baloch ca. 7 % = 4,9 million
Turkic groups - (Qashqai, Turkmen etc.) ca. 5 % = 3,5 million
Mazandarani ca. 5 % = 3,5 million
Gilaki ca. 2 % = 1,4 million
Others ca. 3 % = 2,1 million
Meaning totally there are about 30 million Turkic people in Iran...
My source is REASON - meaning LOGIC...
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[quote=\"Dîrî\"][quote=Azeri]
You DO know those numbers are wrong?
It's
The nine largest ethnicities in Iran and their estimated in numbers and % (of 70 million):
Azeri ca. 40 % = 28 million
Persian ca. 15 % = 10,5 million
Kurd ca. 15 % = 10,5 million
Arab ca. 8 % = 5,6 million
Baloch ca. 7 % = 4,9 million
Turkic groups - (Qashqai, Turkmen etc.) ca. 5 % = 3,5 million
Mazandarani ca. 5 % = 3,5 million
Gilaki ca. 2 % = 1,4 million
Others ca. 3 % = 2,1 million
Meaning totally there are about 30 million Turkic people in Iran...
My source is REASON - meaning LOGIC... [/quote]
I knew there were more Azeris ands Kurds in Iran then the given percentages. I readed that there were 28 million Azeris in Iran.
But the given statictics by me are from the currecnt CIA site, in my opinion you are correct Dîrî. And obviously this only enforces both our people, the Azeri and Kurds. 
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01/07/06 06:59 PM
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I am an Iranian Turk. I deserve the right to be called an Iranian. Persian you sound like one of the many Persian Chavunists. WE IRANIAN TURKS OUTNUMBER YOU PERSIANS BUT YOU ARE TRYING TO DESTROY OUR RIGHT TO EXIST 
Just because I'm not Aryan does that mean I dont have the right to identify myself as an Iranian?
You see people this is what happens to us on a daily basis. Constant harassment and oppression by people that want us to become Aryans. WE WILL NOT GIVE IN.
We will fight with our Kurdish brothers untill our safety is actualized.
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01/07/06 07:13 PM
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wait wait, you call yourself Iranian and say you have the right to be called Iranian, but then you come here and post things that you want independence??? then how in the world are you saying that you are Iranian. what is it with all these people, dont you people have a life. you Turks of Turkey always go around in every forum and repeat anti-armenian and anti-iranian propagandas.
I'm Iranian and Im damn proud of it. doesn't matter what language I speak, either spanish or chinese. I would still be Iranian.
Enough of your damn propagandas you from Turkey.
Azeris are Iranian, and they are turki speaking people. it doesn't make them less Iranian.
you are not trying to prove they are Turk or not, I know about all of your motives, you are trying to say Azeris aren't Iranians.
and Azertos, whats the matter, now you follow their path too. you seem to be revealing yourself even more now.
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01/07/06 07:15 PM
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Iranian, this Persian guy is the KING OF FASCIST PERSIAN CHAUVANISM, he had the audacity to tell so many ridiculous lies on this forum which have been exposed and ridiculed.
He thinks were all Aryan and Turks dont exist in Iran and starts foaming at the mouth when you mention these Turks the Khazars, Huns, AkHuns, Selcuks, Gaznivids, KaraKoyunlu/AkKoyunlu, Tirmurids, Qajars, Safavids, Azerbeycan Khans etc etc or the Sassanian Kurdish Kings or Zend Kurd dynasty etc etc cos according to him its all Persian and then he has the cheek to say hey were all Iranians I love Iran bullcrap you love Persia.
QUOTE Persian
I ask the mods to check this guy, he is probably another of these turks signing up as another Username.
Thats called paranoia mate, your just having a hard time realise that there are so many Turks and Kurds everywhere who defend their people and cause. But where are the Persians ha, cos we all know what happens to Persians when they come to the West and how they behave
QUOTE Persian
I'm Iranian and Im damn proud of it. doesn't matter what language I speak, either spanish or chinese. I would still be Iranian
You really are a clown, if couldnt speak Farsi you wouldnt be a Persian (Iranian)
You support Persia, Iran's just a word, Persian is the official language, Aryans are the superior people and the Turk are not like cos they arnt Aryan, dont speak Farsi are not Persian dont want to be Persian and will never ever ever ever become Persian.
Go talk Aryanism with White Supremacists on their forums, you'll find all your ARYAN buddies over their.
QUOTE Persian
Azeris are Iranian, and they are turki speaking people. it doesn't make them less Iranian.
you are not trying to prove they are Turk or not, I know about all of your motives, you are trying to say Azeris aren't Iranians.
All I can do is pity you, Azeri's are Turk they speak Turkce and feel Turk and their brothers are in Azerbeycan in Turkiye in Turk Kibris in Kafkaslar in Turkmenistan in Ozbekistan in Khazakistan etc etc etc I'm so sorry you can;t accept this but your not a Turk so you wouldnt understand.
They are a Turkce speaking people, HEY HE ADMITTED IT Well it means they arnt PERSIAN, Mr Kaba Pers get it.
We are Turk, about motives thats just your paranoia and your correct Azeri's are Azeri Turks end of story, they are currently in Iran and can be Iranian citizens, how can you even begin talking about my people, you dont even accept them, there are over 30 million Turks in Iran and your Filthy Persian Fascists spit on us by supporting the occupation of Azerbeycani Turk land by Armenia and then you claim to be Muslim and talk about Israel all day long, whats wrong with you!
QUOTE Persian
and Diri, we all know you are Turk not a Kurd
Sohrab Abi are you actually reading this  I'd rather Diri called himself a Turk then you ever calling yourself one.
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01/07/06 07:46 PM
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You see, this idiot Persian again tries to speak about being the Good Muslim, about Zionist Conspiracy stories and deep rooted paranoia.
1st. I do not consider a self-professed Islamic State, which supports the occupation of so-called Muslim brothers land in Karabag by non-Muslims to be the Muslim things to do. Further, its even more shocking that 30 million of these people's brothers and sisters who live in Azerbeycan, whose land is occupied is done so by their State and Regime. This Regime then talks about Muslim brotherhood and the sins of Jews, excuse me but its Muslims being killed by Armenians in Karabag and Muslims being killed by Russians in Chechinistan what do those lying Mollah's do, yeah they support it.
So dont bring that argument to us. We are Muslim, Her Millete Saygim Var Hem Musluman Hem Turkum, I respect every Nation I am Muslum and a Turk. You see I dont deny Persians are a people and it doesnt annoy me if a Persian speaks Farsi because this is what they are, however, you HATE us because we are Turk and speak Turkce and cos were not Persian and dont accept that we are Persian.
Look at the Muslim world, we help Palestine and fund many projects to help brothers there, WHAT DOES IRAN DO HA WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THEY DONE FOR THE PALESTINIANS EXCEPT TALK TRASH AND MAKE THEIR SITUATION WORSE AND RIDICULE THEIR CAUSE. Turks support
Chechenistan, Daghestan, BasKurdistan we have renegade Generals there, we supported Kosovo, Bosnia, Albania, we support our Muslim brothers in Azerbeycan against Karabag occupation, we support PAKISTAN to the END, our brothers in Malaysia and Indonesia are our good friends and brothers, we support those under oppresion in China,
WHAT DOES IRAN's PERSIAN MOLLAHS DO HA, they blabber obsene trash, keep Iran in the dark ages, treat woman like dirt, abuse religion, call themselves living God's and give our Beautiful religion a bad name, WHO IS THE ENEMIES HA, WHAT YOU SUPPORT IS A DISCRACE TO US ALL.
QUOTE Persian
we all know you bastards are all from TURKEY and no where else.
If someone is from Turkiye they will say I am from Turkiye as I am, if they are from Azerbeycan they will say they are from Azerbeycan as Azertos, Hanim, Azeri etc etc say if they are from South Azerbeycan, Kasgay or Turkmen Al-Sahra in Iran they will say they are from there, its not a hard concept. There are 120 million Turks in this region along Persian so it doesnt take a genious to work out its highly likely for many Turks from the region to have Internet and find this forum.
Do you wanna see more pictures of Iran Persian hehe
Now you have your section, go and post there stop polluting ours with your crap.
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01/07/06 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(Persian) your first mistake was call for independence and invasion of Iran.
I only want whats best. I am oppressed by your people. This has been going on for long enough. Do you know why I left Iran? The reason was because my family was persecuted against because we are Sunnis. Thats right we were going to be forced to become Shia. Imagine that your religion is your choice but the Persian state thought otherwise.
QUOTE how does that make you iranian, and then you say you want to be called Iranian, and have your name Iranian.
I'm Iranian I'm just not Persian. The states Persianification policies didn't work on my family.
QUOTE you are mixed up with your lies and it shows.
No. Iran in my opinion is just a continuation of Persia. If your genetics are right then its all good. Otherwise you are doomed.
I'M A IRANIAN TURK FOR LIFE. I WILL NOT GIVE IN TO PERSIAN OPPRESSION.
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QUOTE(Iranian) QUOTE(Persian) your first mistake was call for independence and invasion of Iran.
I only want whats best. I am oppressed by your people. This has been going on for long enough. Do you know why I left Iran? The reason was because my family was persecuted against because we are Sunnis. Thats right we were going to be forced to become Shia. Imagine that your religion is your choice but the Persian state thought otherwise.
QUOTE how does that make you iranian, and then you say you want to be called Iranian, and have your name Iranian.
I'm Iranian I'm just not Persian. The states Persianification policies didn't work on my family.
QUOTE you are mixed up with your lies and it shows.
No. Iran in my opinion is just a continuation of Persia. If your genetics are right then its all good. Otherwise you are doomed.
I'M A IRANIAN TURK FOR LIFE. I WILL NOT GIVE IN TO PERSIAN OPPRESSION. its too obvious man, that you are not from Iran.
because Iranians don't talk the way you do. you call yourself iranian, but you imply for its destruction.
"im Iranian but not just persian". hey so is like half of my family. but you just repeat the same old crap ive heard from pan-turanian activists. you made a huge mistake "Iranian". you actually revealed to everyone TUran true intentions. an alliance with zionists against muslim world. amazingly i have been stressing this for so long, I finally get a confirmation from you.
thank you.
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01/07/06 08:06 PM
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QUOTE Iranian
I'M A IRANIAN TURK FOR LIFE. I WILL NOT GIVE IN TO PERSIAN OPPRESSION.
ASLANIM 
QUOTE Persian
because Iranians don't talk the way you do. you call yourself iranian, but you imply for its destruction.
Persians dont speak like he does but he is not a Persian and because of this not an Iranian cos he is a Turk, sad innit.
QUOTE Persian
made a huge mistake \"Iranian\". you actually revealed to everyone TUran true intentions.
This gets funnier and funnier, you act as if Turan is a big scary idea hehe well it is for you, cos the Persian Minorities rule of the Majority Turks of Iran will end so I can see why it makes you foam at the mouth, dont worry we dont want to rule Persians you can rule yourselves.
If Turk states make a Union, exactly what problem do you have with this? Turk people who speak Turkce wish to have a Union and the problem is? you can never ever give one cos your only problem is your fear that the majority Turks of Iran may wish to join this Union of states.
QUOTE Persian
an alliance with zionists against muslim world.
Thats it go and blame the Jews, bravo.
Again
I do not consider a self-professed Islamic State, which supports the occupation of so-called Muslim brothers land in Karabag by non-Muslims to be the Muslim things to do. Further, its even more shocking that 30 million of these people's brothers and sisters who live in Azerbeycan, whose land is occupied is done so by their State and Regime. This Regime then talks about Muslim brotherhood and the sins of Jews, excuse me but its Muslims being killed by Armenians in Karabag and Muslims being killed by Russians in Chechinistan what do those lying Mollah's do, yeah they support it.
Look at the Muslim world, we help Palestine and fund many projects to help brothers there, WHAT DOES IRAN DO HA WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THEY DONE FOR THE PALESTINIANS EXCEPT TALK TRASH AND MAKE THEIR SITUATION WORSE AND RIDICULE THEIR CAUSE. Turks support
Chechenistan, Daghestan, BasKurdistan we have renegade Generals there, we supported Kosovo, Bosnia, Albania, we support our Muslim brothers in Azerbeycan against Karabag occupation, we support PAKISTAN to the END, our brothers in Malaysia and Indonesia are our good friends and brothers, we support those under oppresion in China,
He wishes to talk about being the honourable Muslim and about campaigns against Islam, EXPLAIN YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF MUSLIM KARABAG, Explain your support for Greeks against Muslim in Kibris, explain your support of Bulgars against Muslims in Bulgaria.
Why did Iran love the Soviet era, when the Muslims were divided and under an Athiest state ha.
These are all against Muslims and the Muslim world and you support it, HYPOCRITE, just like in Afganistan your Farsi speaking brothers were being oppressed by the Taliban and the Islamic State of Iran their neighbour just sat and watched 
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QUOTE Iranian
Since when do Persians have the right to decide who is and who isnt Iranian?
This is another example of Persian domination and persecution!
Exactly, this is something I have never been able to understand.
Persian says were all Iranian, good, thats nice it sounds good but then when we talk about Turks in Iran this all flies out the window he starts foaming at the mouth and crying pan this pan that and that were somehow Racist, yeah you heard write "racist" for just saying we are Turk we can't even say what we are without him attacking us.
If Turks of Iran are Iranian, Persian then why does talking about Turks of Iran and accepting that there are over 30 million Turks in Iran hurt you so much. Why when we bring up the Turks contribution, influence, culture and history in Iran does it infuriate you and get you so annoyed.
Its ridiculous and quite clear to you the only Iranian is the Persian as you can't accept anything Turk in Iran.
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01/08/06 03:28 PM
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Poster 200
Group: MEIC Conversion Group
Posts: 267
Joined: 01/07/06 05:53 PM
Member No.: 320
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QUOTE(Persian) its official now, huh YOU SON OF B*****S WANT MY NATION TO BE INVADED AND DESTROYED. we all know you bastards are all from TURKEY and no where else.
it shows that ZIONISTS AND TURKEY (GREY WOLVES APOSTATES) HAVE AN ALLIANCE AGAINST MUSLIM WORLD FOR ITS TOTAL DESTRUCTION.
Hehe relax man. You are very inaccurate with the terms that you are using. "Destoryed" is such a harsh word, I prefer to call it the Balkanization of Iran. The Balkanization of Iran need not be a bad thing.
It will ensure:
*Freedom of the press.
*Freedom of religion. (currently apostates get executed)
*True freedoms of language.
*The ability for a woman to walk on the street without wearing a Niqab or Hijab and surviving to see the next day.
*The freedom of Israel to live without fear of being nuked by Iran.
*Turkey, Azerbaijan and Iraq should be free from fears of an Iranian backed revolution. (I fear it may be too late in Iraq)
*An establishment of an Azeri and Kurdish homelands -something that they have been denied since time can tell.
*The spread of Democracy.
*An end to most Islamic terrorism.
*50% of the middle east problem would be sorted out.
*That the people of the former "Republic" of Iran will have absolute freedom.
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01/14/06 08:34 PM
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Group: MEIC Conversion Group
Posts: 80
Joined: 12/31/05 05:43 PM
From: California, USA
Member No.: 308
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QUOTE(Azertos) hahaha What is so speacial about being Aryan if you aren't white?? I mean isn't that what the whole deal is about......come on...it's all crap anyway
What is your definition of 'white'?
I have pale skin and i was born with blue eyes (eventually turned brown after about a year). My cousin was born with blonde hair and one of dads aunts was a redhead. Is my family 'white' enough for you? Anyways, speaking of Aryans, which other country in the world has any derivative of "Aryan" in their name besides Iran and Armenia? Even Germany, which has made possibly even more references to 'Aryans' than Iran, has no trace of "Aryan" in their name. I'm so sick of hearing ignorant uneducated Americans say "Ohh, you're not an Aryan. Aryans are German Nazis. Persians are brown terrorists". There really is nothing special about being "Aryan", its just that we're proud people and we're proud of where we come from. We come from "The Land of the ARYANS", and nobody has the right to say otherwise.
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01/16/06 05:45 PM
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Poster
Group: MEIC Conversion Group
Posts: 80
Joined: 12/31/05 05:43 PM
From: California, USA
Member No.: 308
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QUOTE(Azertos) my definition of white is having european features, I get a bit confused of the term Aryan, the word Aryan was used by Hitler to describe his nation. So obviously the first thing what comes in my mind is that German look and I can't fit the Iranian or other ARYANS from the neigbouring regions in to that one....I can't see the comparison.
Thats all we learn in American schools anyways... I never learned anything about my great land (or neighboring lands for that matter), but every damn year till my last year in high school I learned about the 'Holocaust' and the evil ARYAN Germans.
QUOTE(Azertos) You would recognize an Iranian and you would definitely recognize a German.. So what I read is not suiting with what I see, now I never said that Iranians were ''brown'' I don't think they are......it personally doesn't matter to me, whether someone is brown or white or yellow, we are all human....
Some Iranians are 'brown', which is due to primarily to the hot and dry areas in certain areas in southern Iran and the influence of the Arab crusaders/ Paki and Pashtun neighbors. This are the same reasons why Iranians/Persians have different features than Germans. The Germans were never pillaged by the Asian savage Mongolians nor the Arabs.
QUOTE(Azertos) That term is used a lot by Iranians,some see others as inferior, that is why I quoted it that way...
it is possible that germans weren't Aryans, I guess I'm confusing that a lot because of the Nazis, because I can't put an European/American next to Middle Eastern.....I guess the right explanation to this will be that Aryan means something else than what Hitler described.???
jee...I donno....u tell me
You're mistaking my point. I am not saying that Germans are not Aryans. I am saying that it is a known fact that Persians came from Europe and had European features when they settled in modern Iran. Farsi is considered an Indo-European language, and one of the most famous Persian rulers of all times, Cyrus the Great, used to say that he was 'the true Aryan' (or something resembling that). Zoroastrianism is also very close to German mythology as 'Persian' pointed out awhile back. Hitler never described Aryans as only Germans nor did he describe Aryans as only people with 'blue eyes and blonde hair'. Germany had fairly good relations with Iran during WWII. We were actually leaning to their side, which is one of the reasons Russia attacked us.
P.S. Your pictures dont work 
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(please - forget your Turkish accent when you write my name next time - 
