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Loyalty, Bravery and Passion
Personal Names From Legendary Heroes
by Jala Garibova
Sketches by Gunduz
Parents the world over face the same dilemma: What to name their children? What single word can encapsulate all the dreams for this newborn that will serve it well throughout the duration of its life? And so a long list of possibilities is gleaned from historical and religious figures, from natural phenomena (flowers, birds, celestial bodies) and from characteristics deemed positive in the society (freedom, seabreeze, clever) and numerous other categories depending on local traditions.
In Azerbaijan, it's not unusual to name children after characters in well-known legends. The following is a sampling of some common Azerbaijani names and the legends they come from.
Leyli and Majnun
One of the most widespread love stories of the Middle East is Leyli (LEY-lee) and Majnun (maj-NOON). Its plot is similar to that of "Romeo and Juliet," but it predates Shakespeare's 1597 version of the story by centuries. Though "Leyli and Majnun" is Arabic in origin, the most famous version of this story is the verse form penned by Nizami (nee-ZAH-mee) of Ganja (a city in Azerbaijan) in 1188. Nizami's version was written in Persian, which was the state language of the region at that time. (Scholars often refer to him as a Persian writer but Persian was the language in which he wrote.) Nizami's work contains 8,000 lines of verse and has been translated into many languages including English (For a prose adaptation, see "Layla and Majnun" by Colin Turner, Blake Publishers: London, 1997, ISBN 1-85782-1610).
Leyli (or Leyla as she is known in Persian and Arabic literature) came from a rich and famous tribe in Arabia. Gais (pronounced Guy-EES) was the son of the leader of another rich and famous Arabic tribe. Leyli and Gais attended the same madrasa (school), where they fell in love with each other. The couple was not discreet, and word of their relationship spread like wildfire. When Leyli's parents heard about it, they refused to let her return to school. They considered her affection for Gais to be a great shame for the family.
And so the two young lovers were forbidden to see each other anymore. This affected Gais so deeply that he went insane. People started calling him "Majnun" (madman). Gais' father went to Leyli's father and tried to make arrangements for the couple to marry, but Leyli's father would not comply: "I've heard of your fame and it would be an honor to be a relative of yours, but everybody says your son is the one they're calling 'Majnun.' My daughter does not deserve to marry a madman."
From that day onward, Majnun left his home and family and went to live as a hermit in the desert. He found it more satisfying to commune with animals than with cruel, heartless people. Gradually, he became addicted to the pain of unrequited love and nourished it as something sacred. He did not want to be cured of it. In the meantime, Leyli's parents engaged her to a rich man - Ibn Salam. But the thought of marrying him caused Leyli great pain because she still loved Majnun.
Legend of Farhad and Shirin.
Majnun's father took his son on a long journey to Mecca, hoping to distract him. There he pleaded with the distraught lad: "Ask God to ease your pain and solve this problem." But instead, Majnun implored, "God, make my friendship with the pain of love even stronger!"
A young warrior named Nofal witnessed this strange scene and asked Majnun's father what had happened. Once he heard the story, Nofal decided to kidnap Leyli and bring her to Majnun. He took his warriors to Leyli's father's region and started attacking them. During the battle, however, Majnun sided with Leyli's people and tried to help them.
Nofal was shocked and went into a rage: "What are you doing? Are you crazy? My people are dying for you and you're helping the enemy."
Majnun replied: "These people are not my enemies. These are the people from my lover's family. I won't allow any of them to get hurt."
Leyli's father approached Nofal and asked him to stop fighting, telling him that his daughter was already engaged. Nofal was sorry that he had not known this beforehand. They made peace, and Nofal and his army left.
After Leyli married Ibn Salam, she became ill. Her health worsened until she died. When Majnun learned of Leyli's death, he rushed to her grave. In great distress, he mourned her death. The last scene shows him dying at her graveside.
Names commonly used from this legend include Leyli, Majnun and Nofal. The name Leyli is popular in two versions: Leyla and Leyli. "Leyli" means "night." For Arabs living in desert regions, "night" meant quietness, serenity and coolness. Night was desirable after the heat of the day. The concept of "night" did not have evil or sinister connotations.
Curiously, Majnun, meaning "madman" is also a very popular name. Despite his insanity, his ability to express extraordinary passion in verse form makes his name extremely popular today.
Nofal is honored for his loyalty and his willingness to be of assistance to his friends - a man of deed, not just word.
Farhad and Shirin
Farhad (far-HAHD), a young craftsman, and Shirin (she-REEN), the sister of the queen, were in love. The queen, Mehmanbanu (Lady Mehman), was also in love with Farhad but she hid her feelings from everyone in deference to her sister whom she loved very much.
Then one day, Mehmanbanu invited Farhad to the palace and told him: "If you really love my sister and want to marry her, you must successfully carry out the following task: There is no water in the area and this is causing great anxiety for our people. We know there is water deep within the mountain. Break open those rocks and clear a channel so that the water will surge forth."
Farhad agreed. He worked night and day for many months which stretched into years. Finally, he succeeded in creating a channel for the water. Water gushed forth as if from a fountain. Everyone celebrated and praised Farhad. But, alas, Farhad fell off a rock and died. Shirin went to the tragic site and killed herself. Both names, Farhad and Shirin (Sweet One), are taken from this legend.
Roshan and Nigar
Ali, the father of Roshan (ro-SHAHN), was very knowledgeable about horses and had the responsibility of taking care of the khan's stable. One day the Turkish sultan visited the khan who decided to present him with a horse. Ali was ordered to make the selection. Ali chose a young, skinny colt that had just been born. Upon seeing it, the sultan burst into laughter and the khan became very embarrassed. But Ali defended his decision: "Don't pay attention to how skinny it is now. In the future, this horse is going to be a prize animal - very beautiful and very healthy."
The khan was so angry he ordered Ali to be blinded. From that day onward, Roshan, his son, began calling himself Koroglu (ko-ro-GLOO) and put all his energy into revenging his father's plight by organizing the peasants to fight against khans and rich landowners.
Koroglu then took the horse that his father had tried to present to the sultan. He called it Girat (Fire Horse). This horse would become legendary for its remarkable speed. Whenever Koroglu was pursued by his enemies, the horse would enable him to escape by spreading wings that it had sprouted and covering great distances in just a few moments. Girat could also understand human language.
Roshan, Nigar (nee-GAHR), Eyvaz (ey-VAHZ) and Hamza (HAM-za) are all names associated with the epic of Koroglu. Roshan is the real name of Koroglu which means "son of a blind man," the hero of the story. Even though the name Roshan is seldom mentioned in the story, it is quite common as a name. Nigar is Roshan's clever, loyal, strategizing wife. Eyvaz is Koroglu's adopted son. Hamza, traditionally a name associated with Islam, is a character who in the end shows great loyalty to Koroglu.
Seljan
Seljan (sel-JAHN) is a name taken from the epic "Dada Gorgud." Beyrak (bey-RAK), one of the heroes of the Oghuz tribe who was captured by the enemy tribe. (Azerbaijanis originate from the Oghuz tribe, which was one of the Turkic tribes.) Seljan was the daughter of the head of the tribe. She loved Beyrak, but he loved another woman. Despite this, Seljan helped rescue him.
Asli and Karam
Once there was a khan who had an adviser named Gara Keshish who was a Christian. The khan's son Karam (ka-RAM) and the adviser's daughter Asli (as-LEE) fell in love. The khan, who ruled a traditionally Muslim region, was very happy about the union. Gara Keshish, on the other hand, was very much against the marriage, but he couldn't oppose the khan. And so the wedding day was set.
As a wedding gift, Gara Keshish presented Karam with a garment and told him to put it on before going into Asli's room. Karam did so but suddenly the garment caught on fire. Karam understood too late that the garment was under a magic spell, but it was impossible for him to take it off. Asli went up to her lover and embraced him, and they both burned to death. Today, ashugs (wandering minstrels) sing a song called "Yanig Karami" which means "Burnt Karam."
Pirim
There are several legends associated with a hunter named Pirim (pee-REEM). This hunter understood the language of birds and animals. They were not afraid of him, even though he was a hunter. One day Pirim chased after a deer and shot it. The wounded deer began to run; he followed it until suddenly the deer stopped at a spring to wash its wound in the water. Then again, the deer began to run again, but this time, it ran even faster. Pirim realized that the water in the spring was not ordinary water, but that it was endowed with healing power.
Sara
Once the region of Mughan was occupied by an enemy shah. The shah's army plundered the land, burned down houses and captured a beautiful girl named Sara (sah-RAH). Sara's lover, Khan Choban, a brave young man, was out of the country at the time. When the shah tried to kidnap Sara, she begged to say good-bye to her father one last time. The shah consented. Sara left the camp and threw herself into a rushing river, choosing rather to drown than to be captured by the shah. The folk song "Apardi Seller Sarani" (The Flood Took Sara) is based on this story.
Aykhan
According to a legend, Aykhan (pronounced eye-KHAN) was the name of a boy born from the union of a Turk and a wolf.
For more information about Azerbaijani naming practices, see "History in a Nutshell: 20th Century Personal Naming Practices in Azerbaijan," (AI4.3, Autumn 1996). Below: Painting of Farhad and Shirin by Gunduz.
From Azerbaijan International (6.3) Autumn 1998.
© Azerbaijan International 1998. All rights reserved.
http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magaz...egendnames.html
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09/01/05 12:54 PM
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Hahaha I got you angry and that the best you could come out with AHAHAH 
What is Iranian man lol its a figment of your imagination the last 1000 YEARS of the land you call Iran has been Turkish, these are Turkish Legends, Azeris are Turks most Turks have Azeri Turk blood, cities like Kars, Dogu Beyazit and others in Turkeys East are Azeri Turk cities end of story like it or lump it you cant change the FACT WE SPEAK TURKISH, WE ARE TURKISH AND WE LOVE BEING TURKISH 
I mean if it wasnt for Timur and his sons there would be no Shahname, we financed it and it was WRITTEN FOR TURKS Deep down you know this but hate to admit it, what is your problem with TURKS, 1 minute were equal in IRAN the next you cant tolerate us and cant stand the word TURK TURK TURK AZERI TURK AZERI TURK, IT WONT GO AWAY, YOU CANT GET RID OF US
WE ALL KNOW THESE FACTS, EVEN IN EUROPE ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE NOW, THERE WAS A GREAT SHOW WHICH LASTED 3/4 MONTHS CALLED "TURK" 1000 YEARS OF TURKISH HISTORY, IN THE ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL, THE LARGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT CULTURE VENUE IN LONDON, ALL THE HARD FACTS WERE HERE AND MILLIONS SAW IT PERSI BOY WAT U GONNA DO HA, WHO WANTS TO READ URE PERSI PROPOGANDA AND DENIALIST LIES ANYMORE HA.
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09/01/05 01:56 PM
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this is getting hilarious for sure, im laughin at you so much. you're making a big fool of yourself. you still have not proved that azeris are of turkish origin, and now you somehow claim that azeris live in kars and turkey, pure b/s. YOU ARE STILL IN A STATE OF DENIAL. you lost , get a life you low life loser.
racially azeris are iranian budy, get that in to you head. you lost this argument. the few articles that i posted just prove how wrong you are. and yet you still post crap and claim it to be azeri and yet still have not proved they are turkish.
i've already said they speak turkic but they are not turks but iranian. racially iranian.
an example is:
Googoosh, iranian pop singer diva whos from republic of azerbaijan:
 
and here is a turkic woman from central asia kyrgyzstan:
OHHH WAIT, you are right PANTURK, the resemblance is so alike. I can see the mongolian blood in googoosh.
I think im seeing double here, they look so much alike. I am drunk or is this for real.
get a life you loser, im not having this pointless conversation with you anymore.
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09/01/05 02:20 PM
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You should take a look at the Turks of India or the Turks of the Balkans if you think they look different to each other lol.
Old Persi boy still hasnt got it, being Tukish has nothin to do with ethnicity, there can be Black Turks, White Turks race doesnt matter to us, if you speak Turkish, say you are Turkish and are Muslim you are a TURK and it dont matter if your on the Moon aint nutin gona change this, your a fully accepted Turk. The Azeri Turk is just as much a Turk as the Kirghiz Turk, we love our diversity it shows the vast path us Turks have took acoss the world.
Persi still dont get it, it wudnt matter if Azeri's where of the purest Iranian Aryan blood, they speak Turkish, are proudly Turkish, have the same culture and legends of the Legendary Oghuz Clans, Great Selcuks, KORKUT DEDE, Sasavids, Ghaznivadis, Timur etc etc end of story what you gonna do man try and change History If you meet these criteria you are Turkish, ethnicity and race are no obstacles, who is Ethnically pure Iranian ha, you telling me you have no Turkish blood in you lol.
Here are some Azeri singers of the past
Jabbar Karyaghdy (31.03.1861- 20.04.1944) – was born in Shusha. He brought a new spirit, new shape and content to mugham. In 1910-1915, by invitation of the firms “Sport-Records” and “Gramophone” Karyaghdy went to Warsaw, Riga and Kiev and recorded there his singing. These records have been preserved until now.
Karyaghdy was one of the founders of the Azerbaijan State Conservatoire and also taught there for a long time. He is the farther of a separate musical school in Azerbaijan. Famous singers and musicians Bul-bul, Seyyid Shushinsky, Kurban Primov, Sasha Oganezashvili, Zulfugar Adigezalov and many others were the followers of the Karyaghdy school.
The range of his voice was two and a half octaves. He could sing mugham for 2-3 hours without break. He died in Baku.
Bul-Bul (22.06.1897-26.09.1961.). His real name was Murtuz Mamedov. He was born in Shusha. The beauty of his native Karabakh inspired him throughout all his life. In his childhood he became an adorer of the local Karabakh festive companies. These small folk companies gave to little Murtuz the first musical education. Due to his beautiful voice people called him “Bul-Bul” –“nightingale”.
He graduated from the Azerbaijan State Conservatoire and famous “La Scala” in Italy. He was the first to play the role of Koroghlu in the opera with the same title composed by U. Hajibeyov, and created an immortal image of the Azeri legendary hero. U. Hajibeyov used to say that he counted mainly on Bul-Bul when writing the “Koroghlu” opera.
Above all, Bul-bul was a teacher, who brought up a whole generation of young talented vocalists. He was also a scientist to whom belong a number of works dedicated to Azeri music.
Seyyid Shushinsky (12.04.1889-01.10.1965). He was born in the village Horadiz of Shusha district in Karabakh. He received his first musical education in Navvab’s musical school in Shusha. He brought many new elements into mugham. Great Azerbaijani composer Fikret Amirov said: “ If Jabbar Karyaghdy was the brain of the Azeri music, then Seyyid Shushinsky was the beating heart of this music..” He had the title of national singer of Azerbaijan.
Khan Shushinsky (20.08.1901-18.03.1979). He continued the traditions of Jabbar Karyaghdy and raised them to a new level. No one could perform the “Karabakh Shikestesi” as beautifully as Khan. He created new forms of performance of mugham. Khan Shushinsky is also the author of several folk-music-style songs. Among these songs are the famous “Shushanin daghlary”, “Menden gen gezme”, “Ay gozel” and others.
Rashid Behpudov Mechid oghlu (14.12.1915-10.06.1989). He was born in Tbilisi (the capital of Georgia). He was a great singer, musician and public figure. His role of Asker in the film “Arshin mal alan” brought him world wide fame. He created the “Musical theatre”, also he made many tours in the world.
Muradova Rubaba Khalil gizi (22.03.1933-28.08.1983). Was born in Ardabil in Southern Azerbaijan. One of the most famous singers in Azerbaijan, who had a very strong voice with rich range and also with extraordinary style of singing. She was a skillful performer of mugham, tesnifs and folk songs of Azeribaijan.
Zeynab Khanlarova Yakhya gizi. Was born on 28th December 1936. Graduated from A. Zeynally’s musical school in Baku. In 1961 became the soloist of the Opera and Ballet Theatre. Also she performs mughams (Chahargah, Gatar, Bayati-Shiraz, Mahur etc.), tesnifs and folk songs. Made many tours around the world.
Have you heard AZERI TURKUS, Turkus are age old traditions of Turks in which Saz players and Ashiks sing Folk Songs of which there are thousands and thousands all written for different occasions, some make you cry others get up and dance, Azeris like Turkmens like Yoruks like Ozbeks like Kasgay Turks like the Hamadan Turks and all others have many many many TURKUS, do you know any of these TURKUS.
Why is it that it is fine to be Persian and Iranian but not Azeri Turk and Iranian ha Pers why the double standards why wont you accept us as Azeri Turks who are Iranian Citizens ha.
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QUOTE(Persian) this is getting hilarious for sure, im laughin at you so much. you're making a big fool of yourself. you still have not proved that azeris are of turkish origin, and now you somehow claim that azeris live in kars and turkey, pure b/s. YOU ARE STILL IN A STATE OF DENIAL. you lost , get a life you low life loser.
racially azeris are iranian budy, get that in to you head. you lost this argument. the few articles that i posted just prove how wrong you are. and yet you still post crap and claim it to be azeri and yet still have not proved they are turkish.
i've already said they speak turkic but they are not turks but iranian. racially iranian.
an example is:
Googoosh, iranian pop singer diva whos from republic of azerbaijan:
and here is a turkic woman from central asia kyrgyzstan:
OHHH WAIT, you are right PANTURK, the resemblance is so alike. I can see the mongolian blood in googoosh.
I think im seeing double here, they look so much alike. I am drunk or is this for real.
get a life you loser, im not having this pointless conversation with you anymore. LOL. This Turkish clown is rediculous. Those Tatar-Mongols think they are the most superior nation in the world.
P.S. I saw Gogoosh a couple of days ago here in L.A. She is working on a new song with an Armenian producer.
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09/10/05 08:25 PM
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We dont wanna join the EU Yerevan lol you dont understand the pollitical game being payed, Europe dont have long left  America dont want it and wanna destroy is and look at Europe doing into an Economic crisis, the Rise of the Far Right its collapsing from withing. Were jus using it for a reason think about it lol
QUOTE Yerevan
Turkey is a shithole
your filthy counrty
Oooooooooooooooh stooping to racism again, just carry on proving the point I've been making all along Yerevan thanks Oh yeah and the man was arrested just for buying a book, your Gov was getting all paro and scared and why you getting so touchy about your Armenian State, does the truth hurt
Oh yeah and the Jews are finding out about your little Nazi Collaborations in WW2 and so are starting to stop any support and be against your lobbies, this means bad news for Armenia as U.S.A is Jew country and if they stop ure Lobby that means Armenia will collapse as they finance it
Hey read this its happening in America like I said
TURKISH AMERICAN COMMUNITY PROTEST AGAINST ARMENIAN AGGRESSION AND TERRORISM DRAWS OVER 1,000 AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE ARMENIAN EMBASSY
Washington, DC (April 24, 2005) – A crowd of nearly 1000 members of the Turkish, Turkish Cypriot, Balkan Turk, Crimean Turk, Iraqi Turcoman, Sephardic Jewish and Azerbaijani American Communities from New York, Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago and other parts of the country peacefully congregated in front of the White House on Sunday, April 24, to remember the victims of the Armenian Revolt (1885-1919), the Armenian allegation of genocide (1915), and Armenian terrorism (1974-Present). The event began with a moment of silence for the victims of the Armenian Revolt and Armenian terrorism, followed by the Turkish and US national anthems, and speeches from scholars as well as representatives of Turkish, Azerbaijani, Turcoman, and Turkmen communities.
According to the authorities, the Armenian Youth Federation (AYF), the youth branch of the ultra-nationalist Armenian National Committee of America, sent a message to the authorities that 250 of their members would counter-demonstrate at the White House and Armenian Embassy. Rally organizers worked closely with the Metropolitan Police Special Operations Division, the US Department of the Interior National Park Police, and the Secret Service to deter any unwelcome disruptions. Three Armenian American provocateurs did show up and attempted to disturb the peaceful observance in front of the White House but were promptly escorted out by the police.
Marching from the Lafayette Square to the Armenian Embassy at Sheridan Circle, the demonstrators carried American, Turkish, Azerbaijani, Turkmen and Turkish Cypriot flags and banners with slogans such as “Turkish Archives Open – Where Are the Armenian Archives?” referring to the unwillingness of the Armenian government to open its archives to allow independent scholarly verification of its genocide claims. That same day, President Bush issued a statement urging further research and dialogue, and supporting Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan's call to Armenia to open its archives.
Despite being the first Turkish American grassroots demonstration of its kind, the event was well attended and disciplined. The three-block long parade of demonstrators was compliant with all instructions from authorities, given in advance of the march. Police vehicles accompanied the rally to insure the safety of the attendees. "The self discipline and calm behavior of all the participants were very impressive. Their conduct was a reflection on the solemn nature of the event. Our gratitude goes to the National Park Police, Washington Metropolitan Police and U.S. Secret Services officers for their expert guidance and input throughout the rally," said Oya Bain, the ATAA Secretary General and one of several Turkish American community leaders organizing the event.
Hmmmmmmmmmm, interesting.
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QUOTE We dont wanna join the EU
That's not what your government is saying.
QUOTE Oh yeah and the man was arrested just for buying a book, your Gov was getting all paro and scared and why you getting so touchy about your Armenian State, does the truth hurt
I'm not saying he should been arrested. After all he is one of the Turkish professors who recognizes the Armenian Genocide and challenged the Turkish version.
QUOTE Its a shame you locked one up for hundreds of years a few weeks ago
Your statements are outragous. Like I said he was release and he is in US now.
QUOTE Oh yeah and the Jews are finding out about your little Nazi Collaborations in WW2 and so are starting to stop any support and be against your lobbies, this means bad news for Armenia as U.S.A is Jew country and if they stop ure Lobby that means Armenia will collapse as they finance it
We will see about that.
QUOTE TURKISH AMERICAN COMMUNITY PROTEST AGAINST ARMENIAN AGGRESSION AND TERRORISM DRAWS OVER 1,000 AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE ARMENIAN EMBASSY
Washington, DC (April 24, 2005) – A crowd of nearly 1000 members of the Turkish, Turkish Cypriot, Balkan Turk, Crimean Turk, Iraqi Turcoman, Sephardic Jewish and Azerbaijani American Communities from New York, Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago and other parts of the country peacefully congregated in front of the White House on Sunday, April 24, to remember the victims of the Armenian Revolt (1885-1919), the Armenian allegation of genocide (1915), and Armenian terrorism (1974-Present). The event began with a moment of silence for the victims of the Armenian Revolt and Armenian terrorism, followed by the Turkish and US national anthems, and speeches from scholars as well as representatives of Turkish, Azerbaijani, Turcoman, and Turkmen communities.
According to the authorities, the Armenian Youth Federation (AYF), the youth branch of the ultra-nationalist Armenian National Committee of America, sent a message to the authorities that 250 of their members would counter-demonstrate at the White House and Armenian Embassy. Rally organizers worked closely with the Metropolitan Police Special Operations Division, the US Department of the Interior National Park Police, and the Secret Service to deter any unwelcome disruptions. Three Armenian American provocateurs did show up and attempted to disturb the peaceful observance in front of the White House but were promptly escorted out by the police.
Marching from the Lafayette Square to the Armenian Embassy at Sheridan Circle, the demonstrators carried American, Turkish, Azerbaijani, Turkmen and Turkish Cypriot flags and banners with slogans such as “Turkish Archives Open – Where Are the Armenian Archives?” referring to the unwillingness of the Armenian government to open its archives to allow independent scholarly verification of its genocide claims. That same day, President Bush issued a statement urging further research and dialogue, and supporting Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan's call to Armenia to open its archives.
Despite being the first Turkish American grassroots demonstration of its kind, the event was well attended and disciplined. The three-block long parade of demonstrators was compliant with all instructions from authorities, given in advance of the march. Police vehicles accompanied the rally to insure the safety of the attendees. \"The self discipline and calm behavior of all the participants were very impressive. Their conduct was a reflection on the solemn nature of the event. Our gratitude goes to the National Park Police, Washington Metropolitan Police and U.S. Secret Services officers for their expert guidance and input throughout the rally,\" said Oya Bain, the ATAA Secretary General and one of several Turkish American community leaders organizing the event.
Nobody gives a shit. Just 1000 people? On that day over 100,000 Armenians gatheres just in Hollywood to protest against the TURKISH DENIAL.
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09/11/05 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(HBK) QUOTE(Yerevan) More \"LittleTurk\" posts responses, the more I can see how imature and uneducated about history and politics he is. He is not worth our time.
You are correct, Yerevan.
The reason littleturk mentions writers being locked up for hundreds of years, is because this is what they do in Turkey for writers who publish the truth. Naturally, since he thinks Turkey is a democracy with such democratic values as free speech, he thinks it's normal for every country to do this. Yes, but the person he is talking is not locked up at all. He is free in U.S now.
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Oh really I'm making it up am I
Yektan Turkyilmaz, the first Turk to receive a permission to study Armenian international archives, has been arrested at the Yerevan Airport.
Turkyilmaz is accused of attempting to take history books to Turkey.
General Buyukanit To Armenia: Open Your Archives
Turkish Land Forces Commander Gen. Yasar Buyukanit remarked that Armenia should open its archives. Turkey has made a call to Armenia to make its archives available for study. ``Turkey is in the wrestling arena waiting for the Armenian wrestler. Turkey is ready for the fight but the (Armenian) wrestler is afraid to come to the arena,`` told General Buyukanit.
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=48111
Armenia and Turkey: Letter Pleads 'Let Him Go'
ANKARA - A group of 13 Turkish intellectuals have written a joint letter asking Armenian President Robert Kocharian to set Turkish professor and researcher Yektan Turkyilmaz, held in Yerevan on charges of attempting to smuggle antique books out of Armenian, free.
The group of Turkish intellectuals, who call themselves the "Committee for Solidarity with Yektan Turkyilmaz," includes Orhan Pamuk, Murat Belge, Taner Akcam, Etyen Mahcupyan, Halil Berktay, and Elif Safak. Turkyilmaz is currently being held in the Armenian capital Yerevan, and his first hearing, which was scheduled for yesterday, has been delayed until this Friday.
The letter from the committee of 13 charges that, in addition to the false charges regarding Turkyilmaz' so-called attempt to smuggle books out of the country, the Turkish professor is being questioned unfairly regarding his access to Armenian archives. Turkyilmaz, a multi-lingual academician supported by the prestigious US based Duke University, is apparently the first Turkish citizen to gain access to the Armenian archives.
Our Worries are Growing
The letter from the Turkish intellectuals stresses that the current situation could damage relations between the two countries, and goes on to say:
"Yektan Turkyilmaz is one of the few Turkish professors who has taken an objective look at the events of 1915 as well as some of the other violent episodes of the last century. In addition to English and French, he also speaks Turkish, Ottoman Turkish, Kurdish, and Armenian....For his arrest to follow his gaining access to official Armenian archives only increases our concerns....Suspicions that Armenia does not support independent academic research have been aroused."
The letter addressed to Kocharian about Turkyilmaz also touches on the official charges against him: "The books he had with him had no bans on them in terms of being carried abroad. He only had to receive permission to bring them with him. Clearly Turkyilmaz didn't know this: had he, as a serious academician and a friend of the Armenians, he would have certainly sought this permission...."
* US Senate Leader Dole Also Sent A Letter
Former US Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, known as a political ally of the Armenian cause, has reportedly written a letter of protest to Armenian President Robert Kocharian demanding the immediate release of Turkish citizen Yektan Turkyilmaz, who is currently being held in Yerevan on charges of trying to smuggle antique books out of the country. Turkyilmaz went to Armenia to make historical studies in archives. Turkish historians argue that no Turk can make any trip to Armenia after this case. Nilgun Gulcan from ISRO for instance says "the case is not legal but political".
Former US Senator Dole's letter to Kocharian asserts that Turkyilmaz, who is a doctorate student at Duke University, and who has been held in Yerevan since June 17, is being held in prison based on "unintelligable charges."
Where did that law come from?
Dole also said in his letter to Kocharian that "even if the same law is found somewhere in the world, it is certainly not found in free countries."
The former US senator also noted that "while Armenia has many friends in the US, there is no way to defend the undefendable."
His wife was affected
Bob Dole's wife Elizabeth Dole, also a Duke University graduate, also apparently played a large role in encouraging his writing of the Kocharian letter.
Dr. Gulcan says Armenians do not want to see any Turk in Yerevan:
"They know that scientific searches will prove the sins in Armenian history. That's why they do not want to see any Turk in Armenia. They have many things to hide, including Armenian role in Nazi attacks against Jewish people".
Davut Sahiner, Turkish scholar, argued that Armenian policians see Turkish and Jewish spies everywhere in yerevan and Caucasus. "Book smuggling is a funny accusation. All know that Armenians do not want see any Turk in Yerevan and they produce reasons" Sahiner added.
JTW with news agencies and Hurriyet
10 August 2005
Oh really Yerevan, why are your Dashneks and Terrorists groups like Asala all running scared, why wont they open their archives, what are they trying to hide ha, well they wont be able to hide their lies for much longer the TURK will Expose all your lies just wait
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QUOTE(HBK) QUOTE(Yerevan) HBK, as I have said, \"LittleTurk\" is a joke. How can you take that guy seriously? The guys makes up the stupidest stories that I'm not even sure even he belives them. My suggestion would be not even responding to his stupid, useless threads. We don't need to lower ourselves to his level. As far as I am concerned, he is an imature kid to me.
I am not taking him seriously, Yerevan. I didn't mean YOU personally.It was meant to be as a rhetorical question.
I should of said "How can someone take that guy seriusly?"
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you cant prove anything wrong and cos you cant handle the truth you lash out and try to personally attack me, its usual for people to take the truth like this after being in denial for so long, as they say the truth hurts but it'll sink in soon.
