THOMAS GOLTZ - EXPOSES THE ARMENIANS GENOCIDE OF AZERI'S Options

[BIGTURK]

Azerbaijan Diary: A Rogue Reporter's Adventures in an Oil-Rich, War-Torn, Post-Soviet Republic
by Thomas Goltz (Author)





I posted this book to show how it has helped open peoples minds to the MASSACRES AND GENOCIDES COMITTED BY ARMENIANS AGAINST THE AZERI AND HOW THEY ARE WARPED BY FACISM AND THE IDEA OF ETHNICALLY CLEANSING THE AREA AND CREATING A GREATER ARMENIA CHRISTIAN KINGDOM.

Heres what READERS VIEWS HAVE BEEN.

Customer Reviews of the Day

Great for anyone interested in Caucasus., August 31, 1999
Reviewer: Arthur Roussel, aroussel@na.cokecce.com from Tampa, Florida

In contrast to the biased racist literature spread by Armenian propaganda machine, Thomas Goltz's book stands out in its objectivity. As an American who lived long time in both Azerbaijan and Armenia, I can confirm that this book describes the real events and history behind the Nagorny Karabakh conflict without any distortion.

The author skillfully unmasks the atrocities committed by Armenian military against civilian Azerbaijani population of Karabakh. He also mentions how these crimes were hidden from the world and Armenia was pictured as a "victim" while Armenian army gradually occupied Azerbaijani land, brutally killing and destroying everything on its way.

Another interesting point in the book is the historical aspect. Thomas Goltz reveals the classical example of "rewriting" history. That is how Armenian "historians" created myth of "Great Armenia" and used it to "inspire" Armenian youth into the war against their neighbors. That is similar to what Serbian government tried to do in Kosova. The only difference is that here, in Karabakh, Armenian so-called "patriots" succeeded in ethnic cleansing and managed to mislead the world community.




The best coverage of Karabakh conflict, January 18, 2000
Reviewer: Mareen Bernard from Paris, France
Twice during the recent years, in 1992 and in 1994, I visited Azerbaijan with a group of other French journalists. All I have heard about this country was the war in Karabakh and oil reserves. I was biased, filled with pro-Armenian information typical to most of the Western media. However, the truth I found, from first hands, eyewitnesses, people who experienced the horrors of that bloody conflict changed my view by 180 degrees. I think the author of this book, Thomas Goltz, underwent the same experience as I did.

In fact, Armenia proved to be the aggressor, Azerbaijan was the victim! The crimes of Armenian military units against Azerbaijani women, children, elderly can not be described in any human language. Dead bodies were mutilated, eyes pierced, ears torn, people were burned alive. I know that because I have seen the pictures and actually visited the sites of these massacres. And I am grateful to Thomas Goltz that he made sure the world knows about the truth. Particularly, the chapter of the book concerning Khodjali massacre deserve a special recognition.

Who were those Armenian militants, what did they want?

They were so-called "freedom fighters", their desire was to create "Great Armenia", "Black Sea to Caspian", "to clean Caucasus from Azeri Turks' (i.e. Azerbaijanis). They were armed by Russian weapons and ideological fiction of Armenian "historians" which completely ignored the facts and rewrote the entire history of the region. Their idea was about the "supreme", "most ancient" Armenian nation which has a "historical right" to take back "its lands", by killing, raping destroying everybody on its way. And that is how the Karabakh war started.

Ironically, this ancient Azerbaijani land now invaded by Armenian military was the home for most of Azerbaijani poets, writers, musicians. There is no credible record in the history that Karabakh ever belonged to Armenia. Even the ancient churches in there were built by Caucasian Albanians, the Christian ancestors of modern Muslim Azerbaijanis. The first Armenians moved there only 150 years ago, supported by Russian Empire.

Anyway, it is sad that Thomas Goltz is one of the few reporters who had enough courage to write the truth about this region. The conflict is still not finished, and Azerbaijan is still subject to illegal Armenian occupation on the verge of 21st century. The country with huge oil reserves and strategic interests of the West is also a constant subject of Russian political-economical attack. Unfortunately, century long propaganda machine of Armenia managed to mislead the world and hide the crimes committed against Azerbaijani population of Karabakh and other lands invaded by Armenians. --.

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must read

An incredibly interesting book about the South Caucasian war between Azerbaijan and Armenia. No any other author can claim more accuracy of description of events during that time. Goltzs record of the events will for sure be used by future historians as a source for reference. lt;br /gt; lt;br /gt;This book made me to think seriously over the Khojali massacre where hundreds of Azeri civilians were murdered by Armenians. Without Goltz, the world would be unaware of this crime against humanity. lt;br /gt; lt;br /gt;The author does not use any warmonger rhetoric, rather advocating for the peace in the region. I was told by my Armenian friend that he does not like the book, yet admitting that the book provides correct insight of the war and other events. lt;br /gt; lt;br /gt;Highly recommended for those who want to know little bit about the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.


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Azerbaijan Diary: A Rogue Reporters Adventures in an Oil-Rich, War-Torn, Post-Soviet Republic > Customer Review #2:
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Must read!

Finally we got very honest and truthful book about Karabakh conflict from a person who have seen it himself. lt;br /gt; lt;br /gt;P.S. Its really funny to see how armenians try to trash this book just because it ruins their myths and lies lt;br /gt;

http://www.literaturehistoryhub.com/Azerba...076560244X.html

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[hanim]

Its an honest book.
The author doesnt show everything good and fair for the azeri side: there is a lot of critisizm of the azeri government of that time that didnt report about first azeri victims in Masis, Kafan,Vardenis, didnt respond to the military advances of the armenian troops straight away, there was a complete chaos in the government. We were not ready for the war, noone expected the occupation of our lands. When we happily lived together, were sharing bread with our armenian neighbours in Baku and Sumgait, visit each others weddings, the armenian diaspora were handing out leaflets in Armenia about their historical lands, kept their hatred to turks alive, Karabakh government representatives secretly meeting with the members f armenian diaspora in Yerevan and having talks about the unufication. We were not ready ideologically. WE still were talking about friendship between armenian and azeri on TV, organizing music concert of azeri- armenian music when first disturbances started. How naiive we were.. WE should have awaken much earlier, then wouldnt have had 20% of our land occupied and thousands of innocent people brutally killed.

[BIGTURK]

Hanim
We were not ready for the war, noone expected the occupation of our lands. When we happily lived together, were sharing bread with our armenian neighbours in Baku and Sumgait, visit each others weddings, the armenian diaspora were handing out leaflets in Armenia about their historical lands, kept their hatred to turks alive, Karabakh government representatives secretly meeting with the members f armenian diaspora in Yerevan and having talks about the unufication. We were not ready ideologically. WE still were talking about friendship between armenian and azeri on TV, organizing music concert of azeri- armenian music when first disturbances started. How naiive we were.. WE should have awaken much earlier, then wouldnt have had 20% of our land occupied and thousands of innocent people brutally killed.

This is disturbingly similar to what happened in Turkey and Azeri Turk lands, all the Turks I know even my family tell me we were always friendly with Armenians, lived together, eat from the same table even were so tolerant they wud join in each others religous celebrations WHERE DID IT ALL GO???

Even in our families area in Turkey we have to this day ARMENIAN NEIGHBOURS, I was always friends with their son Agop and his little brother I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WERE ANY TENSIONS BETWEEN OUR PEOPLE CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS, AGOP IS MY FRIEND I NEVER EVER EVER THOUHT ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM NEITHER DID HIS FAMILY OR OURS IN THE EARTHQUAKE CAN YOU BELIEVE OUR TWO FAMILIES HELPED EACH OTHER AND WE SAVED THEIR OLD MAN FROM A COLLAPSING HOUSE.

I GREW UP WITHOUT HATRED OR EVEN KNOWLEDGE OF ANYTHING THAT WAS WRONG BETWEEN OUR PEOPLE, THEY STILL LIVE IN TURKEY, THEY STILL HAVE THEIR CHURCHES AND PRAY THERE AND TEACH THEIR LANGUAGE AND HAVE BUSINESS ETC

WHAT ABOUT IN ARMENIA?????????????????????????????????????

WHY IS IT NOT THE SAME?????????????????????????????????????/

These DISGUSTING, FACIST, RACIST DASHNEKS polluting Armenians minds with ethnically cleansing the land for a Greater Armenia are responsible for this.

They have caused for their people to commit treacherous crimes against Turkey and Azeri Turks its the same in each case, as they say the Nice Guy looses, we were always tolerant to Armenians and they always well in the last 100 years tried to massacre us and backstab us.

THIS IS THE REALITY.

[Azeri]

Im looking forward to buying this book, I heard about Thomas Goltz before. I readed in a magazine that he accidently witnessed the war. Thank you for sharing this.

[BIGTURK]

Yes Azeri, these books, articles, reports, video coverage, images must all be exposed and the Armenians propoganda machine and lie factory CRUSHED.

As you can see when people read the facts and realities of the Genocide comitted against us a few years ago, they are deeply shocked and it opens their minds to the realities look at some of the book responses people are learning and being exposed to the realities, this must continue recommend these sources to everyone you know if we all do this we can get the truth out much faster.

[kurdistani]

Of course the biggest bad guys in the whole deal were Iran... I mean despite all that talk of Islamic brotherhood they help the Armenians... While Azerbajian is locked in a conflict Armenia (instigated by Russia and Iran) it would not, from Russia's point of view, be able to act as a rallying post for the opprressed nationalities of the upper Caucuses... For Iran, the Baku government would not be able to forfill its historic role in uniting the Azeri people (half of whom are under Persian rule)....
I really feel of the Azeri governmnet because they are in a catch 22 situation... there is not much they can do without Turkish help... and the chance of any Turkish military adventures in this pre E.U foreplay period are zero....
The situation is not helped by a corrupt government and weak leadership... Although on the plus side, the Azeri state has manage to promote a relitive ethnic peace between other non-Turkish groups, such as Kurds, Persian, Georgian and other Caucuses nationalities (mainly Muslim although not all Shi'ite)
So all in all i don't see much prospect for change in the near future....

Thats my 2c

[BIGTURK]

ZOR SPAS AGAIN KURDISTANI for another great post.

Of course the biggest bad guys in the whole deal were Iran... I mean despite all that talk of Islamic brotherhood they help the Armenians... While Azerbajian is locked in a conflict Armenia (instigated by Russia and Iran) it would not, from Russia's point of view, be able to act as a rallying post for the opprressed nationalities of the upper Caucuses... For Iran, the Baku government would not be able to forfill its historic role in uniting the Azeri people (half of whom are under Persian rule)....  
I really feel of the Azeri governmnet because they are in a catch 22 situation... there is not much they can do without Turkish help... and the chance of any Turkish military adventures in this pre E.U foreplay period are zero....  
The situation is not helped by a corrupt government and weak leadership... Although on the plus side, the Azeri state has manage to promote a relitive ethnic peace between other non-Turkish groups, such as Kurds, Persian, Georgian and other Caucuses nationalities (mainly Muslim although not all Shi'ite)  
So all in all i don't see much prospect for change in the near future....

I 100% agree with your analysis of Irans HYPOCRITICAL Islamic when it feels it non-Islamic when it doesnt suit them approach. They preach about Brotherhood, they preach about their wildy mis-interpreted view of Islam, they have the AUDACITY to preach about Ummah but did you see them step in to help their SO-CALLED Azeri brothers when Armenia and Russia invaded comitted what can only be described as a Genocide in Khodjali and took 20% of their land. NO infact they SUPPORT Armenia yes support their occupation and slaughter of so-caled Muslim Brothers In a region where Armenian agression has resulted in Georgia, Turkey, Azerbeycan closing its borders if it wasnt for Irans help and assistance Armenia would be FORCED into giving back Azeri land as its already financially crippled, has high un-employment, no resources, investments, is ruled by a Dictatorial Dashnek Regime. It is kept alive on a life-support machine from Armenian Lobbies in the West and its other big sponser IRAN.

Then we move onto the matter of Chechneya and Dagestan and BasKurdistan and Tataristan all Muslim brothers of the Caucauses what is Iran doing? is its huge Islamic army helping its brothers in need NO, they are taking pay-checks from the Russians.

I mean even Turkey a Secular country, sends help, aid and assistance to its brothers in the Caucauses, the brothers in the Balkans, recognises Palestine etc why can't Iran do ten times as much as this being a self proclaimed Islamic Republic I really wonder???

The situation in Azerbeycan makes our blood boil, I wish Europe just told Turkey they dont want us formally so we can go on our own path. Dont get me wrong the process has bought alot of changes for Turkey, great reforms in human rights, freedoms, media rights, economy etc which has really benefitted the ordinary people and especiallly our Kurdish brothers. I believe we should carry on these at full speed, its predicted if we do that with our dynamic population and improving economy we wont even need to enter Europe theyll need us

But anyway if we could get out of the trap of trying to please Europe our millitary could enter Karabag with the Azeri forces and liberate our people in a few days or weeks, it angers me that were being restricted from doing out duty.

I feel that we should fund Azeri Millitary and give them all the assistance and backing we can and support any action they do and when the time is right we can get involved with the Caucauses and help unite the people there against one common long-term foe.

Many Kurds were affected by the Armenian acts of agression, in the period of WW1 leading up to it and before it 6 million Muslims of Anatolia died, thats million of Kurds, Turks, Cerkez, whose land was attacked, invaded and they tried to eliminate us from these most prized lands. The Armenians invaded our people by suprise back-stabbed us and comitted treason just like in the recent Azeri Conflict again with the backing of the Russian forces who accompanied them. Armenians who had good relations with our people were brainwashed by LUDACRIS ideas of Greater Armenia the Christian Kingdom which set to establish a State from the Caucauses across Mesopomia, Eastern Anatolia right down to the Mediterranean. And in this state would Christians live, Armenian Christians? which is un-logical I mean unless they wanted a reallly lowly populated state. So they systematically started burning our villages and towns, just look at what they did to Erzerum, Van, Bitliis etc they attacked us, our people suffered. Now our brave forefathers resisted this and heroicly stood their ground and amazingly crushed this huge Armenian/Russian force we'll always respect these Legends these Turkish/Kurdish HEROES and if you visit the East of Anatolia today you'll understand how proud our people are of these Lionhearts.

[kurdistani]

I think in the short term... Azerbajian needs a political revolution to get rid of the former stalinist regime... The Azeri governmnet is simply not in the political position to fight back against its situation... Some kind of arrangment has to be made with the Armenians.... However much history has set Armenians against Azeris... it is important to recongisie that both sides have suffered... whether we call it genocide or not is besides the point... thousands of Armenians were killed by the dominant Muslim community... this has only provoked counter-violence and generations of hate... In recent years the Armenians have had more than their pound of flesh.... The only people to loose out are us... The US, Russia, Britain or France to not suffer we do... there has to be a peace process... only then can Azerbajian take over leadership of the Azeri Nation... At the moment many Iranian Azeris are highly persianised (although there has been a growing trend of nationalism)... Northern Azerbajian has not really been able to assume th moral leadership over them because.. the Azeri state is not more democratic than the Iranian one..... What is more, some of the highly racist nationalism coming from Azeris and Kurds against eachother over the mixed Western Azerbajian province only serves the Persian nationalists... agreements and brotherhood need to be built... What is more, an end solution to the question of nationality in Iran may be solved through other way rather than indenpendence... e.g federalism and close conntact with Azerbajian e.t.c
But what ever happens it has to be the people who choose not a few political elites....

[Glock21]

Goltz is actually a respected journalist here in the USA. However he is villified by the Armenian lobby as a paid Turkish agent.

I have read excerpts from the book and find him objective for the most part.

He writes interestingly about the role of the 366th Motorized Infantry (Russian forces) in Khodjaly. They provided weapons and logistics to the Armenians in general, and in fact some of its soldiers actively participated in the massacre.

I have more information about Khodjaly if anyone is interested. A friend of mine, a soldier, was there immediately after the withdrawal of the Russians/Armenians.

[BIGTURK]

Glock21
Goltz is actually a respected journalist here in the USA. However he is villified by the Armenian lobby as a paid Turkish agent.

Yeah its what they always love to do, anybody who doesnt express a deep pathological hatred of Turks definately can't be alright in the head

Its really ironic that they love using this argument when its Armenian Extremist Dashnek Nationalists and their lobbies who fund any one-sided announcements and works on the issue.

This is how it was for years, Armenians publishing lies and propoganda and bribing others to do the same often through acts of Terrorism like Asala.

Now that Turks are growing in power in the West and telling the other side of the story and the bits the Armenians pretended never happened they're having palpations and violent fits of anger that Turks arnt letting them get away with their lies anymore.

Glock21
I have more information about Khodjaly if anyone is interested. A friend of mine, a soldier, was there immediately after the withdrawal of the Russians/Armenians.

I am very interested Glock21, to hear a non-biased source from either side of somebody you was actually an eye-witness to the tragic events.

[Glock21]

I will tell you what I know in stages - 1) I don't like writing long messages; 2) I am at work, so I need to do some work here and there!

My friend is from Sakhalin who was in the Soviet Army as a sgt. in the naval infantry. He like many other Russians, Central Asians, Baltic peoples, and others joined the Azeri Volunteer Guards as a kontraktnik - a soldier for money, since he had specialized training. He was a sniper. He and his spotter, also a Russian, were outside of Khodjaly in a scout / reconnassiance mission and saw the 366th infantry gunships mow down fleeing Azeri refugees.

The Armenians involved in the massacre were not from NK or Armenia, (they had Syrian and Lebanese passports). When they were leaving the area, my friend followed them in stealth and sniped many 366th and Armenian paramilitaries.

He described the scene to me in detail. The tortured kids, pregnant women disemboweled, men with all four limbs cut off (still alive). He says he still to this day has nightmares about the scene.

[Yerevan]

My friend is from Sakhalin who was in the Soviet Army as a sgt. in the naval infantry. He like many other Russians, Central Asians, Baltic peoples, and others joined the Azeri Volunteer Guards as a kontraktnik - a soldier for money

LOL. I like how it sound. Azeri [/b]VolunteerGuards and a soldier for money[/b]

And also thank you for clearing it that Azeris paid Russians to fight Armenians because Turkey and his little friends always insisted otherwise

[Glock21]

I made that distinction because many in the Volunteer Guard were unpaid. Those with specialized training were paid well, comparatively.

Yes, in many cases, it was Russian fighting Russian in Karabakh.

[Yerevan]

Don't forget Afgani Mujahadins or whaterever they are called, hired by Azerbaijan.

[Glock21]

In addition, relatedly, the Russian role on NK's behalf during the war cannot ever be understated. They went from being an active participant against the Azeri forces (even earlier the Soviet forces went against the NK Armenian forces), to merely pouring millions and millions of $$$ for military hardware. The Azeris were severly out-gunned after a couple of years into the war.

[Yerevan]

Have you ever hear of "The Great Game"?

[Glock21]

Don't forget Afgani Mujahadins or whaterever they are called, hired by Azerbaijan.

Another number in dispute... It's somwhere between 200-800 mujaheddin that flew from Jalalabad to Baku to participate. After all, the Soviets left - there was no one left to fight. The terrorist organization Islamic Jihad had an office (called an office, really just a cell of people) in Baku at the time, and they, not the Azeri gov't., recruited them to fight. It is however thougt that Elchibey knew of it and didn't object... why would he - they were fighting on his side.

[Glock21]

Have you ever hear of \"The Great Game\"?

of course, that's exactly what's going on in Transcaucasia right now.

[BIGTURK]

Yerevan I know these accounts are braking your heart and the fabricated manufactured fantasy of the noble, innocent, angelic Armenians is flying out the window but you can't stop Glock from writting.

Glock ignore Armenian, we are all reading waiting for the next section, what this friend of yours has seen must have been very disturbing my sympathies for what he was put through, my heart bleeds for the woman, children, innocent men slaughtered by these Armenian forces.

[Yerevan]

I would say it a lot more during the war, tha now.

By the way you might want to check this out.
http://www.cilicia.com/Azeriterrorism.htm

[Yerevan]

Yerevan I know these accounts are braking your heart and the fabricated manufactured fantasy of the noble, innocent, angelic Armenians is flying out the window but you can't stop Glock from writting.

Glock ignore Armenian, we are all reading waiting for the next section, what this friend of yours has seen must have been very disturbing my sympathies for what he was put through, my heart bleeds for the woman, children, innocent men slaughtered by these Armenian forces.

Look turkey. I was having a decent conversation with the guy until you poped up again with your moronic comments.

[BIGTURK]

Sorry but did you just post a site called Cilicia, as if its a credible site, their are no sources in the site its all subjective one-sided views and Cilicia dont you mean Adana

Glock dont get distracted by Yerevan he just wants to stop you writting what you started.

[Glock21]

I would say it a lot more during the war, tha now.

By the way you might want to check this out. http://www.cilicia.com/Azeriterrorism.htm

The stuff in that site ranges from the factual, the paraniod, to outright crazy conspiracy stories. The tidbits of reality in there are blow way out of proportion.

[Yerevan]

Oh I'm sorry. I fogott, you would prefer the khojali genocide site. I

[Glock21]

Oh I'm sorry. I fogott, you would prefer the khojali genocide site. I

sorry, where did that gem of a revelation come from?

[Yerevan]

Glock, BT is sooooooo happy you joined this site. Now she has a new member to kiss ass.

[Glock21]

Glock, BT is sooooooo happy you joined this site. Now she has a new member to kiss ass.

Who is BT again?
Your second sentence makes no sense.

[Yerevan]

Anyway have fun with BT since she wants me to leave you two alone. Have fun having discussions with a person whos IQ equals to -50.

[BIGTURK]

Glock just ignore it when people can't handle or cope with something you'll find they usually start lashing out and minlessly attacking people thinking their acting big but really they are just harming themselvs and what they stand for.

Glock
My friend is from Sakhalin who was in the Soviet Army as a sgt. in the naval infantry. He like many other Russians, Central Asians, Baltic peoples, and others joined the Azeri Volunteer Guards as a kontraktnik - a soldier for money, since he had specialized training. He was a sniper. He and his spotter, also a Russian, were outside of Khodjaly in a scout / reconnassiance mission and saw the 366th infantry gunships mow down fleeing Azeri refugees.

The Armenians involved in the massacre were not from NK or Armenia, (they had Syrian and Lebanese passports). When they were leaving the area, my friend followed them in stealth and sniped many 366th and Armenian paramilitaries.

He described the scene to me in detail. The tortured kids, pregnant women disemboweled, men with all four limbs cut off (still alive). He says he still to this day has nightmares about the scene.

You got up to here before being rudely interrupted.

[Yerevan]

BT likes to kiss ass to people who would say negative stuff about Armenians or agree with Turkish point of view. Just wait and see. After a while you would feel like her master, after her ass kissing.

[Glock21]

I will have to rejoin tomorrow... off to the gym.

[Yerevan]

LOL. See what I mean. This is just the beggining.

[BIGTURK]

I have no problem with Armenian people what so-ever why dont you come and visit me and my friend Agop we've always been friends. We are not brought up with a hatred for people Yerevan you find this hard to understand.

[Yerevan]

You have no hatred towards Armenians? LOL.
Is it April 1st today?
You are like a zit that is filled will hatred and infection ready to burst.

[BIGTURK]

Am I Yerevan? or would you like that to be the case.

I have never expressed hatred for the average Armenian, I'm friends with the average Armenian, exposing the lies of certain Armenians doesnt make me an Armenian hater you may figure that out one day.

[Yerevan]

Are you still looking for the census? What's the matter, you can't find any non Turkish website?

[hanim]

The only one who is yapping here withoiut facts is you. You cite cilicia.com which is created by an armenian and is armenian. Do really think its an independent source?
Tomas Goltz is an independent journalist who happened to witness some atrocities in Karabakh committed by armenians. BTW, there is a lot of critisizm of that time azeri government in his book as well.

[BIGTURK]

Oh Yerevan I have posted the Cencus' here they are incase you havnt seen yet.

Armenian Patriarchate figures

Patriarchate Statistics of Armenian's in the “Six Vilayets” known as Ottoman Armenia, there was a reported 1,018,000 Armenian's against 784,914 for the Ottoman figures.

Western Figures

Vital Cuinet 1.045.018, Cuinet presented 840,000 for what was called “Armenian Villayet”.

Henry Finnis Bloss Lynch a British geographer-ethnographer followed by his own studies, he came with 1,058,000 for the beginning of 1890s for “Turkish Armenia.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armen...nian_Population

European Estimates

Ludovic de Contenson, 1913 -- 1,150,000 in Asiatic Turkey, 250,000 in European Turkey;

Selonoy, early 20th century -- 726,750 in the \"Nine Vilayets\"; Vambery, 1896 -- 1,131,125 in the \"Nine Vilayets\";

Trotter, early century -- 780,750 in the \"Nine Vilayets\";

Jakmen, same period -- 1,330,000 in the \"Nine Vilayets\";

Cuinet, same -- 838,125 in the \"Nine Vilayets\";

Zelenof, same -- 921,000 in the \"Nine Vilayets\";

Lynch, same, 1,058,484 in the \"Nine Vilayets\".

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~fisher/hst...s/mccarthy.html


Yerevan your whole argument is flawed from the very beginning, from the very instance you try and claim over 1.5 million people were killed systematically, the entire population of the 6/9 Villayets wasnt even 1.5 million for 1.5 to be killed. Armenians only died in the 6/9 Villayets were war was waging, the Armenians of Istanbul and other areas were left untouched their Patriarch is still open till this day in Istanbul.

Glock what else did your friend witness?

[Glock21]

My friend that fought in Karabakh had another interesting story about Khodjaly. Many days after the conclusion of the killings, he and his unit of Volunteers came upon a group of what they thought was a small group of Russian Army soldiers, but they had no weapons. It turned out they were all Uzbeks, Kazakhs, and other Central Asian and/or muslim conscripts, who were forced out of their unit by the ethnic Russian and Armenian officers. They refused to participate in the killing of unarmed non-combatants and were beaten and ridiculed by their fellow soldiers. They were stripped of their supplies and weapons and forced to go it on their own. They surrendered to Azeri forces and were transported to Baku for interrogation... no idea what happened to them.

[Glock21]

What happened at Xocali was clearly a war crime, and it recognition means a lot to Azeris. It is especially bitter for Azeris since the perception is that no one was punished.

But that is not entirely true; some were sentenced and dealt with the old-fashioned way.

My friend relates a story that his unit caught up to many of those Armenian irregulars responsible for the slaughter, and handed out justice with his SVD. He says they got around 40, but I can't say if that was exaggeration or not.

[Yerevan]

Did you friend tell you the barbarism committed by Azeri's against innocent Armenians in Sumgait, Baku and all over Azerbaijan. Of course not. Is it because he was fighting agaist Armenians and in fact kiling Armenians. Come on man, your wife is Azeri, it's clear that you are anti-Armenian and very much pro-Azeri. Do you want me to tell you the stories that my uncle witnesses when we and other voluteers were liberating Sushi? If I start telling you what those murderes and rapist did to innocent women and chilfren it would take me the whole day. FACE IT MAN. YOUR WIFE IS ASERI, AND YOU ARE ANTI ARMENIAN.

[BIGTURK]

My friend that fought in Karabakh had another interesting story about Khodjaly. Many days after the conclusion of the killings, he and his unit of Volunteers came upon a group of what they thought was a small group of Russian Army soldiers, but they had no weapons. It turned out they were all Uzbeks, Kazakhs, and other Central Asian and/or muslim conscripts, who were forced out of their unit by the ethnic Russian and Armenian officers. They refused to participate in the killing of unarmed non-combatants and were beaten and ridiculed by their fellow soldiers. They were stripped of their supplies and weapons and forced to go it on their own. They surrendered to Azeri forces and were transported to Baku for interrogation... no idea what happened to them.

What brave men, these men are heroes they refused to be used as tools of slaughter against their Turkish and fellow Muslim Brothers. They should be all given medals of honour for their great deeds.

Glock21
What happened at Xocali was clearly a war crime, and it recognition means a lot to Azeris. It is especially bitter for Azeris since the perception is that no one was punished.

There will be recognition, there will be justice it may take time but they cannot stop the tragic war crimes from being exposed to full International comittee. The Armenians who did this should all be put on a UN Human Right Violation/War Crime/Mass murderer/Genocide case and tried according to International Law as Milosovich is having to do so now.

[Glock21]

Did you friend tell you the barbarism committed by Azeri's against innocent Armenians in Sumgait, Baku and all over Azerbaijan. Of course not. Is it because he was fighting agaist Armenians and in fact kiling Armenians. Come on man, your wife is Azeri, it's clear that you are anti-Armenian and very much pro-Azeri. Do you want me to tell you the stories that my uncle witnesses when we and other voluteers were liberating Sushi? If I start telling you what those murderes and rapist did to innocent women and chilfren it would take me the whole day. FACE IT MAN. YOUR WIFE IS ASERI, AND YOU ARE ANTI ARMENIAN.

Wow. You lost it quickly there. I forsee anger management classes in your future. This drivel shows that you haven't been reading anything I've been writing, and have jumped to some colorful conclusions. I hoped you might be civil, but I see that was too much to ask.

[BIGTURK]

Glock you havnt heard anything yet, wait till he starts foaming at the mouth and then the real racist abuse which I have suffered from this guy will begin.

Glock21
The Armenians involved in the massacre were not from NK or Armenia, (they had Syrian and Lebanese passports). When they were leaving the area, my friend followed them in stealth and sniped many 366th and Armenian paramilitaries.

He described the scene to me in detail. The tortured kids, pregnant women disemboweled, men with all four limbs cut off (still alive). He says he still to this day has nightmares about the scene.

Were these Armenians part of Asala? there bases were in Lebanon

What your friend saw is very shocking, being exposed to such human barbarism as which the Armenians did can scar you for life.

[Glock21]

I would not venture to say that they had anything to do with ASALA... there is really nothing to say they were or were not.

[Yerevan]

Glock now pull down your pants and prepare for some nice ass kissing from bugturkey. You are in luck.

[Yerevan]

Wow. You lost it quickly there. I forsee anger management classes in your future. This drivel shows that you haven't been reading anything I've been writing, and have jumped to some colorful conclusions. I hoped you might be civil, but I see that was too much to ask.

The only anger is that I have many relatives, friends and countymen who were killed my Azeri's and you are trying to paint a picture that Armenians are the devils and Azeris are angels. Were you there when the war started? Do you even know how it all started?

[Glock21]

How in the hell could you possibly come to the end that I am painting Armenians as evil and the Azeris as angels? Nothing I wrote and indeed nothing I believe should bring you to that conclusion. I know for a fact that both sides did some horrible things and it serves no purpose to claim superiority of victimhood.

I know how it started - I wrote a thesis on ethnic minority relations in former communist countries (Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, and the Caucuses)... and no I was in college in the US during the war.

[BIGTURK]

Excuse me Armenian but dont make me bring up your views on Turks and how it is actually you who tries to demonise, slander and de-fame all Turks.

Where you in the War Yerevan, were you in their slaughtering innocent Azeri's aswell

Customer Reviews of the Day

Great for anyone interested in Caucasus.,
Reviewer: Arthur Roussel, aroussel@na.cokecce.com from Tampa, Florida

In contrast to the biased racist literature spread by Armenian propaganda machine, Thomas Goltz's book stands out in its objectivity. As an American who lived long time in both Azerbaijan and Armenia, I can confirm that this book describes the real events and history behind the Nagorny Karabakh conflict without any distortion.

The author skillfully unmasks the atrocities committed by Armenian military against civilian Azerbaijani population of Karabakh. He also mentions how these crimes were hidden from the world and Armenia was pictured as a "victim" while Armenian army gradually occupied Azerbaijani land, brutally killing and destroying everything on its way.

Another interesting point in the book is the historical aspect. Thomas Goltz reveals the classical example of "rewriting" history. That is how Armenian "historians" created myth of "Great Armenia" and used it to "inspire" Armenian youth into the war against their neighbors. That is similar to what Serbian government tried to do in Kosova. The only difference is that here, in Karabakh, Armenian so-called "patriots" succeeded in ethnic cleansing and managed to mislead the world community.

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0765...6090206-5308857

The world is waking up to your Nationalist Extremist Dashnek Lies Yerevan and you cant prevent this, I guess this is the root of all your hate and rage.

[Yerevan]

I know how it started - I wrote a thesis on ethnic minority relations in former communist countries (Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, and the Caucuses)... and no I was in college in the US during the war.

Please, enlighten us with your knowledge about how it stated. I was in Armenia when it all started. My uncle was one of the first voluteers who went to Karabakh to save those Armenians who did not yet faced those barbarians who were burning the Armenian villages left and right, who were stoping the buses, taking the Armenians out of the buses and shooting them on the streets. And like you said Azeris were going door to door looking for Armenians to kill them.