Harry scott Gibbons - THE GENOCIDE FILES Options

[BIGTURK]

WHAT DOES CHRISTMAS MEAN TO YOU , A TIME OF GOODWILL TO ALL MEN, A TIME TO SPEND WITH YOUR FAMILY AND A JOYFULL TIME FOR ALL CHILDREN THIS IS WHAT CHRISTMAS MEANT TO ME . UNTILL CHRISTMAS 1963 IN CYPRUS.

"GENOCIDE FILES"

On Christmas Eve, 1963, there were 120 Turks living in the mixed hamlet of Ayios Vasiliosstraddling the road between Nicosia and Myrtou in the Northwest. Some time that evening, cars and trucks drove into the village From the direction of Nicosia. Armed men poured out of the Vehicles. They had a brief discussion at the coffee shop at one end Of the village, then they moved purposefully towards the Turkish Quarter. Shots rang out, rifle butts smashed against locked doors, people Were dragged into the streets.A 70-yr-old Turk was awakened by the sounds of his front door Splintering. Tottering out of his bedroom, he found several young Armed men inside the house. "Have you any children," they asked. Bewildered, he replied, "Yes." "Send them outside," he was ordered. His two sons, 19 and 17 years old, and his granddaughter, aged 10 hastily dressed and followed the gunmen outside.

They were lined up outside the cottage wall. The gunmen, Without another word, coolly machine-gunned them to death. In another house, a 13-yr-old boy had his hands tied behind his Knees and was thrown on the floor. While the house was being Ransacked, his captors kicked and abused him. Then a pistol was Placed at the back of his head and he was shot. Altogether, 12 Turks were massacred that evening in Ayios Vasilios. The others were rounded up and kicked and punched along the Highway to Skylloura, a few miles further in the direction of Myrtou, to seek refuge with Turks there. In night attire and bare Feet, they stumbled along in the cold, the Greeks shooting after Them in the darkness. Then the gunmen turned their attention to the Turkish houses. They looted and destroyed and finally, exhausted, they set the Houses on fire. The Greek inhabitants of the village, roused by the Noise, stood watching the orgy of destruction.

None protested. After the gunmen had gone, they rushed to the Turkish houses And began to loot the remaining possessions of their neighbours Before the flames took too firm a hold. In isolated farmhouses in the same region, nine more Turks Were murdered. When the Turks of Skylloura saw the flames of Ayios Vasilios, They sent their women and children across the fields to Phota and Krini in the north. As the Vasilios refugees arrived, they too were taken north. By Midnight, Skylloura was also evacuated. Left behind were the Turkish houses, their possessions and their Greek neighbours. The Long, ragged lines plodded wearily north, seeking safety, sanctuary, Respite from this terrifying savagery that had descended on them, Stumbling along in the darkness of the cruel, cold, Christmas morn.




At the same time, over 150 armed Greeks descended on the Turkish Suburb of Kumsal, Northwest of the Nicosia walls near the Turkish village of Ortakoy which straddled the road to Kyrenia. That evening, Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an elderly Turkish Landlord was visiting one of his clients in Kumsal.With him was his wife, Ferideh, his neighbour Mrs. Ayshe Mora with her one-year-old daughter, Ishin, and her married sister, Novber.

They were paying a call on the family of Major Nihat Ilhan, the Chief medical officer with the mainland Turkish army contingent. The major was on duty that "night with his unit. His wife, Muruvvet, was with their three children, Murat, Kutsi and Hakan, aged seven Four and six months. The nine were having supper in the dining room when one of the Greek private armies, augmented by workers from the Severis flour Mill whom had - willingly or under coercion - joined their ranks, Crossed the dry Pedieos riverbed. The conversation around the dining table cut off abruptly when Bullets began to spatter the outside walls, sounding like heavy rain.



The group rose hurriedly, the women dragging the children and Gudum ushered them to the back part of the house.They all, four women", four children and Bathroom and closed the door. The landlord's wife suddenly Changed her mind, left the Bathroom and went into the separate toilet where she locked herself.

Mrs. Ilhan, the major's wife, stepped into the bath, and holding Her baby stood facing the door, her other two children clinging onto her legs.

The two other Woman and Cudum crawled terrified into the Corners beside the door. Mrs. Ayshe Mora held her baby close. There was a crash as the front door burst open and a continuous roar as machine-gun bullets Spewed through the house. Footsteps came to the locked bathroom, an unknown hand Impatiently rattled the knob, and a voice called in Greek, ` "How would you like Enosis" Then a hail of bullets tore through the wood and Mrs. llhall and Her children, caught directly in its path, were lifted off their feet and Dumped on to the bottom of the bath. The killers smashed the door lock and jumped inside. One of The major's children moaned and was scolded into permanent Silence by a short peremptory burst. Then the raiders saw the others Huddled on the floor. They played their guns on them like impatient Children forced to water the garden flowers. The three Turks were All wounded some seriously. A bullet struck the foot of the baby Ishin. The locked door of the toilet drew the gunmen's attention to The landlord's wife. The door was beaten in by machine-gun butts And the woman was dragged out whimpering. A pistol was placed To her head, one shot was fired, and she slumped to the floor, dead. The killers whooping and jeering, charged through the house, Machine-gunning cupboards, smashing furniture, slipping and Sliding on the dark red blood that crept out of the bathroom. lshin Mora, the baby, survived, and after several operations her Foot was saved. Today, aged 35, lshin is married with a young son. She owns the supermarket Can (pronounced Jan) Kan on Shakespeare Avenue in Nicosia. Her limp reminds her of the Atrocity she was too young to understand.

.......................from "Genocide files" by Harry scott Gibbons

[BIGTURK]

Ozer Jambaz was one of the Fighters who went with the retreat Through the Greek quarter. "As the long column straggled past, he told me, "the Greeks Went up to their lofts and removed some of the red roof tiles, not Enough for themselves to be seen, Just enough to stick a gun Through. And then they began shooting down on those defenceless People. We had no ammunition and had to take the punishment. For the Greeks, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. They were our Neighbours, the same ones who say today that they had always Lived peacefully with us. They were bastards, absolute bastards! There were many injured. But it could have been worse. We could All have died. "If Sampson and his army had had the courage to attack us - as He alleged he did in his memoirs - he could have killed the 5,000 of us. We were completely defenceless by this time. We would have been at their mercy and we were finding out , through those neighbours of ours that the Greeks had no mercy".

.......................from "Genocide files" by Harry scott Gibbons

[BIGTURK]

Ever since Sandys had literally forced the Greeks to return the Turkish hostages from Kykkos school, lrene Checkley of the St John's Ambulance Corps and the International Red Cross Representatives on the island had been touring the country armed With a list of missing Turks. Among them were the names of the 21 Patients who had vanished from Nicosia Central Hospital Eventually, they received information that the patients had died And had been burried in the little cemetery at Ayios Vasilios

On Monday morning, a group of Turks with spades were escorted by British paratroopers to the graveyard the foreign Press Watched as the digging commenced.

The first spot chosen unearthed, only a few feet down, the first Bodies. Three men had been thrown on top of each other.

The digging continued A family was unearthed, a boy with his Hands still tied behind his knees, a little girl. They were all fully clothed, one an old man with the black Baggy trousers and high boots of the Cypriot peasant.

From the coffee shop at the Greek end of the village, only a few Hundred Yards away came a young Greek on a motor scooter. The Troops stood aside to let him pass through A few minutes later he Returned, stopped and, gazing at the scene with some interest, Calmly. Started to light cigarette. A paratroop sergeant spotted him and yelled. "Get him out of Here!" A soldier sprang forward Gave one unmistakable motion With his thumb, and the Greek roared back to the village.

I got into my Rover and followed . At the coffee shop sat over a dozen young Greeks. The scooter man was regaling them with what He had seen. I walked into the shop. Ordered coffee and returned To sit at a table among the customers I was feeling rather Belligerent. A few minutes later, a Greek police superintendent stood in the road, looking first along at the graveyard and then at Me. I went over to him and introduced myself he spoke excellent English I said. "You used to have a lot of Turks living here," I said What happened to them?" The superintendent turned a trifle grey. "They left" he said. "Where did they go?" "We tried to stop them but they insisted on leaving and going to Other villages." "There were over one hundred," 1 told him. "Twenty-one never reached the other villages. Have you any idea where they are?"

He shook his head. "They all left." "Twenty-one of them didn't go far," I said. "Just a few hundred yards." He kept looking at me, so I pointed up the road to the huddle of Paratroopers. "They stopped up there," I said, "in the cemetery. They're dead and buried." He didn't answer, and I was standing there glaring at him, Willing him to say or do something that would give me an excuse to belt him one, when a few other journalists came up. They saw there was a fight brewing and one of them took my arm and took me back to my car. 1 told them what the policeman had said, and we all drove back to witness the grisly scene at the graveyard. There was no guesswork in deciding the corpses were from Ayios Vasilos and the neighbourhood. The Twenty one patients had been in the hospital when the shooting started. They had. Not been fully clothed. By nightfall, twenty-one bodies had been Exhumed. They were taken to the Turkish quarter of Nicosia for burial. Some were identified immediately as the former residents of Ayios Vasilios. Some were never identified, so badly were they maimed.

How had the 21 hospital patients got mixed up with the 21 Ayios Vasilios villagers? That night, the Greeks issued a written statement Headed, "Turks distort the truth." It calmly insisted that the Ayios Vasilios bodies were not the villagers at all, but were in fact the Hospital patients. The statement read: "A government spokesman, referring to today's exhumation of Corpses from the Turkish cemetery at Ayios Vasilios and the Unholy exploitation of the subject by the Turkish leadership, has Stated the following: - During the first days of the incidents, Greece and Turkish Wounded and dead were taken not only to Greek and Turkish Private clinics, but also to the Nicosia General Hospital. Fifty-two Greek wounded and sixteen Greek dead as well as Five Turkish wounded and 21 Turkish dead were removed to the General Hospital. The hospital authorities promptly notified the Minister of Health, who is a Turk, and the Turkish Cypriot Leadership to make Arrangements for the removal of the Turkish dead.

They replied that They would do so. The Red Cross was also informed and a list of The dead was handed to it. But as the days passed and decomposition had begun, the Hospital had no alternative but to make arrangements for the burial Of the bodies, which were interned (sic) in the Turkish cemetery at Ayios Vasilios. The .Turkish Cypriot leadership was again informed Of this.

This action of the hospital authorities in seeing to the burial of The bodies ought to be appreciated as a humane gesture. Instead, the Turkish Cypriot leaders thought fit to distort the truth in an attempt To make political capital. Thus showing disrespect not only for the Truth but for their dead."

When the Red Crass finally discovered the burial place, they Were under the impression they would find the bodies of the 21 Who had been patients when the shootings started. The statement was an attempt to account for them, so the Greeks were admitting the hospital patients were in fact dead. The Attempt was unsuccessful,for the world was already seeing the Photographs of the exhumation and knew from the clothes of the Victims and the filmed evidence that some had their hands tied Behind their backs that they were not hospital in-patients.

The statement also showed there was a deep sickness in the Minds of the Greek Cypriot leadership. Every foreign Correspondent who read it was filled with disgust. The fate of those 71 in-patients was never revealed by the Greeks. But the revolting truth did come to light 25 years later.

The British newspaper "The Guardian." quoting a hitherto Secret report from a certain "Packard". A naval commander based in Maltil who had been sent to Cyprus to trace missing persons, Reported: "One of Packard's first tasks was to try to find out what had happened to the Turkish hospital patients. Secret discussions took place with a Greek Minister.... It appeared that the Greek medical Staff had slit the Turkish patient's throats as they lay in their beds. Their bodies were loaded on to a truck and driven to a farm north of the city where they were fed into mechanical choppers and ground into the earth." This nauseating behaviour was carried out under the Akritas Plan. Its Chief of Operations was on Glafkos Clerides, code name Hiperides. At the moment of writing he is the President of Greek Cyprus.

On January 15, the conference on Cyprus opened in London. The British were confident a solution would be worked out. The Turks Were hopeful. But Makarios threw another spanner in the works. It had been agreed after hard bargaining through Mr. Sandys That the conference would be………… attended by representatives of their Governments - Britain, Greece and Turkey and the two Cyprus Communities. This was the official communiqué made by the British High Commission on the departure of Mr. Sandys on January 2, 1964. Greece and Turkey were represented by their foreign ministers, Glafkos Clerides led the Greek Cypriot delegation, Denktash and Osman Orek the Turkish one. Then Makarios sent his foreign minister, Spyros Kyprianou, accompanied by the Attorney General, Criton Tornnrites QC, to represent the Cyprus government. During the talks, Duncan Sandys, the chairman, treated Kyprianou as the Greek Cypriot delegate, but nevertheless the constitution of the conference had been subtly adulterated and its chances of success were doomed to failure from the outset on account of this Greek Cypriot manoevre for Kyprianou had been sent sabotage the talks.

......................from "Genocide files" by Harry scott Gibbons

[Azertos]

this is very sad, especially those pictures, i can hardly believe it...that a human can be possible of doing such kinda thingsss...i guess humans aren't different from animals!!!!

[BIGTURK]

It is very sad Azertos, what leads to such attrocities is pure and utter ignorance. General Makarios and Samsun were responsible for whipping up a stir of hatred and hysteria against the Turks and using the media and church to manipulate poor Greek Cypriots minds.

"The Voice of Blood" - Antonis Angastiniyotis

This Greek Cypriot author explains what ignorance and racism can lead to. We should all respect each other and accept them as fellow humans.

"HER MILLETE SAYGIM VAR HEM MUSLUMAN HEM TURKUM"

I HAVE RESPECT FOR EVERY MILLET (NATION/PEOPLE) BEING A MUSLIM TURK


"I'm constantly asked why I'm opening old wounds and not letting the past to be forgotten. The answer is very simple. The wounds are not old, otherwise there wouldn't be mothers dressed in black, weapons, soldiers and borders. Although I've lived on this island for 40-years, I only began to explore the other half of the realities last year and what I discovered bore a deep wound in my soul.


When I got over the propaganda wall and realized that people were knowingly hiding the other half of the reality or they were distorting the reality, the past now becomes a frightening 'present'. If you want to find more than one reality, you need to constantly dig the soil until your hands are bloody. If you talk, they say you are a traitor, threaten your life, and most of your friends turn their backs on you. You can be totally alone.


Loneliness no longer frightens me. For a long time now, at nights a group of children from Murataga come to my bed and together we read short stories. They smile happily at me because I have told their stories to the world, whereas I am engulfed in tears because of not being able to count the number of bullet wounds in their small bodies before they leave. The wounds cannot be old because when I wake up I find blood stains on my white sheets. The wounds cannot be old because up until now no one has apologized.


The animosity between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots is not new. It didn't start in 1974, or in 1963, nor when the Byzantium Empire collapsed. It started much earlier; it started during the Cain and Abel period. The start of the animosity is in the hearts of the people and as long as it remains there, we will seek the opportunity to bury Cain's dead body or take revenge from Abel.


The purpose of writing this book is social, not political. However, it is not possible to avoid the political aspects of the events. The main aim is to address every Cypriot, especially the Greek Cypriots. Because I also learned to look at the political situation of Cyprus from this point of view.


Both the domestic tension created by the 24 April 2004 referendum with the aim of reunifying the island (Annan Plan) and my daily contacts with the world, takes me to only one conclusion. Extreme nationalism that is deeply rooted in peoples' hearts is the biggest obstacle for people to reconcile. For the situation to change permission must be given to explain the realities regarding the dark corners of history. It's not possible for people to clean their souls without regretting what they've done and it's not possible for them to regret what they've done without acknowledging their faults.


The majority of the Greek Cypriot youth know very little about the events that led to the island's division. The tragic events of 1974 have been used as a huge curtain to cover up the real events that led to the division of the two people. In our schools it has always surprised me that while talking about the heroism of EOKA, they skip 15-years and continue with 1974. Either nothing happened between 1960 and 1974, or no one wants to discuss this. While researching the events during this period (1960-74), I realized that the second choice was right.


When I started to write this research, my cousin from Greece and her two daughters came to visit me and we started to discuss the events of 1963-74. The daughters knew nothing and what their mother knew was very confusing. At one stage of the discussion I mentioned some of the Greek Cypriot leadership's mistakes and all of a sudden this brought out the nationalist monster in my cousin who said: "Makarios' biggest mistake was not to have killed all the Turkish Cypriots in order for us to be comfortable".


This sweet and pretty woman, who couldn't even kill an ant, had suddenly turned into a killer who could carry out mass murders. She wanted a whole race to be wiped out. This is what I said to her: "In other words, do you mean taking out all the children from school, all mothers with their babies and all the men from their work places and taking them to a big hole in Messaria and murder them…Do you want to be one of the murders or the one of the persons using the bulldozer to cover the mass graves…"


There was silence. The example I gave helped her to understand the meaning of what she said. Then I started to speak again. "We tried this before in Ayvasil, Murataga, Atlilar, Taskent, but the only thing we succeeded in was soughing the fruits of our efforts".


Since our childhood we were taught that the Turks were barbaric dogs. My aunt used to say to me that they smelled because they weren't baptised. Whereas according to the Bible, we are modern Christians who love their environment. Then, why did our religious leader Makarios in 1964 say that 'If Turkey comes to intervene to protect the Turkish Cypriots, she will not find a single Turkish Cypriot to save…' The answer is clear. In Cyprus there is a saying, 'another priest's sermon'. In certain situations this enables us to hate. This book will deal with some of these special situations.


While there are those who claim that 'the Cyprus problem started in 1974 and the problem is an issue of invasion and can be settled if the invading forces withdrew from the island', the Turkish Cypriots know well what they would be faced with if Turkish troops left the island. Because the bitter pain of the 11-years before the arrival of the Turkish troops has not been erased from their memories. The EU should to Papadopoulos, 'the Turkish troops brought peace to Cyprus, they are the protectors of peace because as you arm yourself to take over the whole of Cyprus under the usurped title of the Cyprus Government, the Turkish Cypriots have the right to be protected and to protect their state against you'.


Those who peace, unification and reconciliation should see the realities and act realistically. The realities in Cyprus have been ignored for 40-years. These realities are the existence of two equal peoples in Cyprus with the right to self-determination and that neither one of these sides can dominate or represent the other and does not have the right to be the sole government of the whole of Cyprus…"

Antonis Angastiniyotis

[concheet]

There are many who think the book you supposedly quote from is FULL OF LIES!

I was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.

I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.  

It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.

Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.  

I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.

A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal invasion.
It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost...... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0...0394382-8542302

[concheet]

[quote] A Well-Paid Propagandist, February 15, 2005
Reviewer: Matthew Stowell from US

[size=14]Your readers should be aware that the author of this book, Mr. Gibbons, is well-known only to Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. He is not considered a serious author in any other part of the world, including his native Britain. Since the 1970s he has been a well-paid propagandist for the Turkish Cypriot cause and his book is 95 percent fiction. These files that he claims to have found, and upon which he bases his book, never existed. They are akin to the "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago.

"It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own."

SHAME! SOURCE

[Mordoth]

the creatures which have done this CAN NOT be HUMAN kind . They are pork-descends ... things which have done these are bloodlust ...

[chase]

concheet wrote:

\"It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own

Exactly!

[BIGTURK]

Con-cheet
There are many who think the book you supposedly quote from is FULL OF LIES!

WOW

It turns out that Con-cheet and Chase have become some-what Propaganda artist,she SHAMEFULLY tried to use a \"Customer Review\" to condemn a book hahaha, you might have amazingly tried to fool yourself into believing that you have proven a point.

But now once again I will destroy the pig ignorance and biggoted prejeduce certain members of this forum really do suffer from.

Read and enjoy.

Now if you have a problem with Harry scott Gibbons take it up with him, you see not only did Turks suffer but also did Brittish servicemen and they have no need to protect Greek lies and propoganda. In London we marched, thousands of us just the other day against misjustice, its only a matter of time now before the beautiful Turkish Kibris is fully recognised.

What Con-cheet missed out were these \"Customer Reviews\"

A very very Compulsory read for \"Kofi Annan\", May 31, 2005  
Reviewer: Meh Metcik from London England  
Before someone like \"kofi Anan\" makes a plan to unite an island he knows nothing about (Cyprus) and favour the greek cypriots in their every desire to banquish all turks and others off the island and completely strip the Turkish Cypriots of the most basic of human rights he should sit down and read this book!
It upsets me tremendously that as a turkish cypriot i have been told stories when i was younger, always thinking they were exagerated, and finding the actualities of the events within this book. What hold have the greeks on the european nation that everybody turns a blind eye. It's very obvious that the interest America and England have in the island has influenced other european nations. It's so sad that the propaganda is not only being allowed but believed.

If there was a way of letting everyone know what really went on in cyprus from the beginning of the 1900's to the present day then the public concensus would be very different to what it is today. The greeks would be very humbled indeed. The question is \"Why are the English and Americans trying so hard to not only hide but eliminate the truth?\"

And the "Average Customer Rating" was,

Average Customer Review:

an amazing 4/5

So no Con-cheet yet again I have exposed and ridiculed your lies, the reality is very few denialists with a deep biggoted prejedice and hatred of Turks have a problem with this factual book.

A very large majority really liked this book and found the realities of the genocide which the Greeks inflicted on the innocent un-armed Turks of the Island totally DISGUSTING.

SHAME ON YOU GENOCIDE DENIERS.

[concheet]

I missed nothing. I gave the URL to the site so anyone could read all the reviews. The average customer is the average person -- who does not know much and goes to the material to learn. He or she cannot know or appreciate the difference between propaganda and facts.

For example this person gave this fiction 4 stars:

So no Con-cheet[sic] yet again I have exposed and ridiculed your lies,[sic] the reality is very few denialists[sic] with a deep biggoted[sic] prejedice[sic] and hatred of Turks have a problem with this factual book.

You have exposed nothing. Just shown that there are ignorant people who will believe 'most anything. We at MEIC are well aware of that, Turk; we need only look around us!

[BIGTURK]

Still in denial are you Con-cheet, your elaborate plan fell to pieces, just admit you screwed up.

You tried to post specific reviews of people who condemned the book (most probobly Greeks shocked that anybody could even consider that Turkish Cypriots are humans and can have a say in the events)

Hey Con-cheet

Before someone like \"kofi Anan\" makes a plan to unite an island he knows nothing about (Cyprus) and favour the greek cypriots in their every desire to banquish all turks and others off the island and completely strip the Turkish Cypriots of the most basic of human rights he should sit down and read this book!
It upsets me tremendously that as a turkish cypriot i have been told stories when i was younger, always thinking they were exagerated, and finding the actualities of the events within this book. What hold have the greeks on the european nation that everybody turns a blind eye. It's very obvious that the interest America and England have in the island has influenced other european nations. It's so sad that the propaganda is not only being allowed but believed.

If there was a way of letting everyone know what really went on in cyprus from the beginning of the 1900's to the present day then the public concensus would be very different to what it is today. The greeks would be very humbled indeed. The question is \"Why are the English and Americans trying so hard to not only hide but eliminate the truth?\"

Notice how the reader knew alot about the situation and is pleased that the reality is finally being bought to light...

In your ideal world this book would not have been written, everyone would hate Turks, Turks would have been 100% guilty of everything and the Greeks 100% Innocent Good Guys against the Turks who are the Bad Guys a very simplistic Black and White view.

This book got a 4/5 review, you said many people thought the book was a lie, I proved your thesis wrong as over 80% of readers did not find the book Full of Lies, as you so elegantly put it.


It seems anything Pro-Greek is perfectlly fine but when the realities are exposed by brave men like this who are not Turkish and doesnt have a deep pathological racist hatred of Turks in your books is totally unacceptable.

I mean even Greeks are admitting what I've been trying to tell you these days.

"The Voice of Blood" - Antonis Angastiniyotis read this book Conny

Here is a link

http://middleeastinfo.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5651

And here is another one

http://middleeastinfo.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6683

I think its time you showed a little sympathy for the innocent Turkish Cypriots who suffered this ethnic cleansing for so many years.

[concheet]

I think its time you showed a little sympathy for the innocent Turkish Cypriots who suffered this ethnic cleansing for so many years.

Frankly I do not believe that Turkish Cypriots were 'ethnically cleansed' in the least. I think that is what the turks tried to do to the Greeks, just as they tried to do to the Armenians. But when they are bested in a battle, they call it 'ethnic cleansing'. When the Turks win, it is a conquest, you see, a victory -- but when the Turks lose, a 'genocide' is perpetrated upon them.

They do not admit to any of their own ethnic cleansings or genocides, but are quick to call every attempt at self defense a 'genocide'. I wonder if the Turks learned that from the Palestinians or vice-versa.

[BIGTURK]

Con-cheet
Frankly I do not believe that Turkish Cypriots were 'ethnically cleansed' in the least. I think that is what the turks tried to do to the Greeks

Its always, I believe with you isnt it, if you believe somthing that means your correct and the whole worlds wrong.

This just shows your as ignorant about the matter as you were when you first came on this forum. I dont see any point of you being on a forum, you already know it all, refuse to open your mind hear others views and are totally against learning anything new.

Some simple facts for you.

You THINK Turks tried to do the same to Greeks, dont make me laugh.

1. Turks didnt have a millitary presence on the Island

2. The Greeks had a Junta yes a full Millitary Armed Junta on the Island with a Genocidal Racist Crazed killer who drew up the AKRITOS plan, the Greeks version of the Final Solution.

3. The Greek Junta embarked on ENOSIS, the aim was to ethnically cleanse the Island of TUrks, and annex the Island to Greece.

4. They did this for 20 years while the world sat back and watched.

5. Turkey couldnt sit back and watch this Genocide go on for any longer, they used their Legal Guaranteur Right and liberated the Turks of the Island from ethnic cleansing.

Today Turks are free of Greek Genocidal plans, Greeks have their state, Turks have their state, we still havnt recieved an apology or condolences but Insallah the in-justice will soon end and the way it looks that day is comming quite soon.

Now open your eyes, stop being so naive and ignorant and learn somthing for once in your life, even Greeks admit theyre disgusted with what they did in Cyprus.

I dont know where your animocity for Turks is sparked from, if you look at Turkish-Jewish history it can be said we always trated your people with the up-most respect but hey obviously it means nothing to you.

[concheet]

Now open your eyes, stop being so naive and ignorant and learn somthing for once in your life, even Greeks admit theyre disgusted with what they did in Cyprus.

So tell us, do Turks admit they are disgusted with what they did in Cyprus? or Armenia? Do they admit they are disgusted with what they are doing to the Kurds today? Or do they admit nothing?

Is this as close as you get to admitting the truth about YESTERDAY?

Today Turks are free of Greek Genocidal plans,

Its always, I believe with you isnt it, if you believe somthing that means your correct and the whole worlds wrong.

This just shows your as ignorant about the matter as you were when you first came on this forum. I dont see any point of you being on a forum, you already know it all, refuse to open your mind hear others views and are totally against learning anything new.

Frankly my dear, I am up to my ears in propaganda - it no longer qualifies as 'something new'

[BIGTURK]

Con-cheet
So tell us, do Turks admit they are disgusted with what they did in Cyprus?

Your still not getting it, theres nothing to be disgusted about, we entered in a legal intervention to protect our people from a total ethnic genocide by the Facist Greek Junta.

Here take a look at what even Greeks are writting now

"The Voice of Blood" - Antonis Angastiniyotis read this book Conny

Here is a link

http://middleeastinfo.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5651

And here is another one

http://middleeastinfo.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6683

You still have the same prejeduce against all Turks, Turks = Bad, just like Native Indians used to be called Savages and Barbarians, just like Blacks used to be called "Boy" and Slaves and other racist trash, just like Jews used to be called disgusting names. Don't you get your generalisation of Turks in this manner is no different to any of the racist slurs which have been given to numerous people including your own.

[Azertos]

Turks learned that from the Palestinians or vice-versa

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now BIGTURK, here's your simple answer about why concheet hates turks, don't you get it, he sees Turks as Palestinians.

I think that is what the turks tried to do to the Greeks, just as they tried to do to the Armenians.

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another pro in the room.

When the Turks win, it is a conquest, you see, a victory -- but when the Turks lose, a 'genocide' is perpetrated upon them

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well ok wiseguy/girl, can't you say the same thing about Greeks and Armenians , or it's just meant to be Turks?. Concheet have you ever thought of getting a hobby?