It is all Pan-Turkism Options

[concheet]

Thrace, Bati, Armenia, Cyprus, Azerbaycan, Kurdistan....

[BIGTURK]

Oooooh the Ignorance is beginning to stink in this forum.

Its like your brains cannot take in basic knowledge, this isnt rocket science, read c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.

Con-cheet referring to Pan-Turkism

Thrace, Bati, Armenia, Cyprus, Azerbaycan

Firstly its extremly naive to think Turks only live in Turkey, there are around 250/300 million Turks world wide living in a Geographical region from the Western China to the Danube.

Now Turkic\" did not exist before the Stalinist era. Today, the term \"Turkish\" is most commonly associated with the Turks of Turkey and eastern Europe, while before the establishment of the Soviet Union, \"Turkish\" meant all \"Turkic\" peoples of the world. In the Turkish languages, there is no distinction between Turkish/Turkic. When referring to the different dialects of the Turks, the term Turkish is used (for example the language of the Azerbaijanis is Azerbaijani-Turkish and the language of the Uygurs is Uygur-Turkish.)

Withing our society we see each other all as Turk, when I talk to my Azeri brother, for eg. Azeri Turk kardasim yaxshimisin?, translated my Azeri Turkish brother how are you, we dont divide our people into Turkic or Turcic or any other divisive term, were Turks.

The Oghuz Turks, or Oguz Turks (Okuz, Oufoi, Guozz, Ghuzz) are regarded as one of the major branches of the Turks in history.  

The Oguz Turks are the ancestors of today's western Turks who number more than 120 million and inhabit areas in western Asia and eastern Europe: Azerbaijanis of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the South Azerbaijan region of Iran, Turks of Turkey and Cyprus, Turkmens of Turkmenistan and northeastern Iran, Qashqay and Khurasani Turks of Iran, Balkan Turks of the former Yugoslavia and Gauguz (Gokoguz) Turks of Moldova.

Wiki

There were earlier Turk migrations starting from Sumer's, then the Huns, the Khazars, the Gok Turks and others before the massive migration of the Legendary Oghuz Clans. However, when the Oghuz Clans adopted Islam all the Turks united and become one and so the Turks of the Middle East/Balkans are of the Western Turk branch of Oghuz. From the Legendary Oguz Clans came the Great Selcuks, Selcuks of the Rum, Artukids, Ak/Karakoyunlu, Safavids, Afsharids, Ghaznivid etc.

So if we look at it there are 120 million Turks in this immediate region alone, thats without getting to Central Asia.

Now seen as though Turkey's population is 70 million and the Turks contitute between 55/60 million, this leaves over 60 million Turks in the immediate region outside of Turkey.

Meaning when we write that Bati Trakya is majority Turkish, Eastern Bulgarian is majority Turkish, that there are 30 million Turks in Iran the Turk state Azerbeycan has 10 million, Irak 3 million, Syria and Cyprus 500,000 and substantial populations across the middle east/Balkans, any logical open minded thinking person can figure out that its a simple reality.

We are not trying to claim lands in which our people dont exist, there is no point its ridiculous, all I explain is that there is a very large Turkish population outside Turkey which some narrow minded, ignorant people are finding very hard to grasp.

So for people like Persian to have the AUDACITY to call an Azeri a Racist, a Pan-Turkish, a Lier, a Hitler a Nazi just for simply saying he or she is a Turk is actually what is sick and racist.

You can not change who people are, or force them to, it simply will never ever work.

The reason Pers foams at the mouth at any mention of Kurd or Turk aspirations is because he fears that the Monopoly of power the \"minority\" Persians hold over the non-Persian majority of Iran will come to an end.

Con-cheet
Why does BIGTURK refer to the \"Muslim Bow Around Cyprus\"

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Have I? please show me, I was referring to Greece, to have a bow around Cyprus is geographically impossible please.... its an Island you know.

Now the nations around Greece and the People have suffered extreme oppression from Greeks and Slavs, like Milosovich etc

Before there was Yugoslavia but now it collapsed and what I refer to is a fact.

There is a Muslim bow now around Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Western Thrace and in Macedonia but Macedons are mostly Christians but still our dearest brother nation.

You see Macedonia claims Greece occupies most of its land, Greece doesnt recognise Macedonia as a Country. Albania claims the same and wants apologies for the Genocide inflicted against its people and there are 1 million Albanians in Greece. The Turks are a majority in Western Thrace and in other parts of Greece Gypsiees get it bad.

Conny
I keep hearing from BT and others a \"call to arms\" against Cyprus... a drumming up of hatred against Armenia, against the Greeks... for what purpose?  

Is it my imagination or are both Greek Cyprus and Armenia small Christian enclaves surrounded by Muslims? Is this perhaps a reason? could it really be related to some Islamic fundamentalists of this nature?

Firstly I am not calling for a "call to arms" against Cyprus, use your head and figure out, theres no need, Kibris is ours our people are liberated, Greeks have there side every1's happy, all we want now is recognition which is round the corner

We have no aspirations in Armenia, Turks dont live in Armenia, were just concerned with Azeri land of Karabak which is occupied by Armenia and the Genocide they commite there.

Firstly Cyprus is an Island its surrounded by sea not land

Secondly Armenia has Christian border Georgia, do you know who Georgias best allies are yep the Turks, we have always had good relations with the Gurju and they have suffered to the Armenians aswell.

Georgia has no relations with Armenia and a closed border, are they Muslims fundamentalists aswell

Con-cheet you understand nothing about us and Islam withing our societies, do you have any knowledge of Tasaavuuf? or Sufi;ism and the teaching of Love and Tolerance.

Read your history, Bayezid II was a pious religious Muslim leader of the Ottomans, look at what he did fro the Jews aswell as Suleyman the Magnificent and the QizilBash and Bektashi and Mevlana and others and learn about Islam and Muslim Turks before you embarrass yourself with ignorant nonsense your blabbering about "what you think Turks are like".

Its hard to change the mind of a racist but hey all we can do is try....