Azeris are not Turk Options

[Tigris]

Azeris are not turk. Azeri culture is iranic ve caucasian rather than turkic.
Azeris's old language is pahlavi actually. Linguististics found that in azeri turkish there are alot of pahlavi words and they didn't have any doubt that azeris were iranian speaking people.
Name of Azerbaycan is also 2000 years old.

Turkish was exposed on azeris on the 10-11 centuries. When turks came to azerbaycam there were a big population of azeris. Where did they go?

Homam tabrizi, a poet, has written his poems in azeri pahlavi language in the 7-8 centuries.

Plus if you listen azeri turkish it has a iranian language accent. This also shows that azeris before the 10th century spoke azeri pahlavi.

There are also azeris who belong to Zoroastrian (zerdust) religion. This religion is actually an iranian religion- aryan. This shows that azeris are ancient people of iran. Before islam, the religion of azeris was Zoroastrian. They are not turkish.

Azeris celebrate newroz. This is the celebration of iranic people generally.

New,Nu = yeni
Roz,Roj=gün

Newroz= yenigün

These words belong to iranian languages. In turkish n and v letters doesn't even exist.


Genetic study which shows that azeris are not turkish.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...t_uids=12596050

azeris are not turkic and persian. They are a nation bythemselves.

[hanim]

tigris,
Azeris are mixture of Turkic, Iranian and Caucasian roots with the language belonging to Turkic group of languages.

if you listen azeri turkish it has a iranian language accent. This also shows that azeris before the 10th century spoke azeri pahlavi.

Yes, and if you listen to Azeri spoken in Azerbaijan republic you can hear lots of Russian words. Obviously, the language has been influenced by Persian and Russian because Azeri were or still are part of them.
Sure, Azeris didnt come from somewhere, they have alway lived on the land where they live now, but Oghuz wave came later though there were other Turkic tribes and Turkic speaking peole before Oghuz tribes. Over the last thousand years the Turkic element became stronger than the others especially with the Azeri Turkic being spread all over the place. So, overall ethnically we may be closer to iranian groups but again it depends on regions of Azerbaijan, its very mozaic. Anyway today it doesnt make much difference because Azerbaijanis speak Azeri Turkic and politically closer to Turkey than Iran. iran's policy towards the language rights of iranian Azeris causes anger and disappointment in their brotherhood.
Novruz, btw, is celebrated in Central Asia Turkic speaking countries as well.

[kurdistani]

What the heck is this debate about Azeris are Turks or not Turks... obviously Azeri culture is a mich of Turkic, Iranianic and Caucasian elements... and obvious Southern Azeri is full of Persian words... Persian is the language of state and Turkish has had a very low status....
If Azeris were 100% central asian Turks they would look chinese... most of them don't... I have even met a few Azeris called Kordoglu... this agruement is meaningless... even if Azeris were 100% but wanted to be part of Iran... it is their right... or if Azeris were 100% Iranian and wanted to seperate... again it is their right...
The fact is ethnicity is not a given... it is constructed and reconstructed depending political and economic conditions....

[Azertos]

We are the Caucasian Turks.

[Dîrî]

We are the Caucasian Turks.

Good for you... And I am a Kurd...

Glad to see we all get along so well...!

[Tigris]

We are the Caucasian Turks.

You are a joker. Are you sure you read the article above.

Azeris are definitely not turks.
You are 100 % azeri.

Azeris people are a nation bythemselves.
They are not turkish,persian,armenian.

You are just azeri.
Your country's name is azerbaycan.
Your ancient language is pahlavi
Historians and Geneticists say azeris are not turk.

Accept it. You were always in azerbaycan, you never came from turkic countries. Only around 3-4 % of azeris have some turkic gene. Others have no turkic gene.

[Baku87]

We are the Caucasian Turks.

You are a joker. Are you sure you read the article above.

Azeris are definitely not turks.
You are 100 % azeri.

Azeris people are a nation bythemselves.
They are not turkish,persian,armenian.

You are just azeri.
Your country's name is azerbaycan.
Your ancient language is pahlavi
Historians and Geneticists say azeris are not turk.

Accept it. You were always in azerbaycan, you never came from turkic countries. Only around 3-4 % of azeris have some turkic gene. Others have no turkic gene.

Yeah thats true the ethnicity of Azeri doesnt match any of nearby nations, this has actually been proven, the Azeri are just a indepenant people. But ethnicity doesnt have anything to do with being a part of a nation. We consider ourselfs Azeri Turks cuz we have adopted the Turkish culture. We were never assimilated or forced to adopt their culture, we chosed to adopt because we could get along very well. When the Turks first came they respected our culture and our fire symbols, so its kinda like we were meant to be brothers all along. Also Turks are our brothers, they have always helped us even when it meant the bad for them, we can always relay on them and in reverse. So you see ethnicity doesnt as much as brotherhood. You can compare it with; like saying parents who have adopted children are not their parent just people who watch over them, thats not right now is it.

[Azertos]

Tigris
You are a joker. Are you sure you read the article above.

Azeris are definitely not turks.
You are 100 % azeri.

Azeris people are a nation bythemselves.
They are not turkish,persian,armenian.

You are just azeri.
Your country's name is azerbaycan.
Your ancient language is pahlavi
Historians and Geneticists say azeris are not turk.

Accept it. You were always in azerbaycan, you never came from turkic countries. Only around 3-4 % of azeris have some turkic gene. Others have no turkic gene

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I agree for the most part of it(not all), we do look Caucasian,we have a lot of similarities with other Caucasian nations, our culture, dances..
but the thing is that we speak a Turkic language wich makes us bond with Turks, doesn't matter wich..we are bonded with Central Asian Turks, with Anatolian..so the language plays a great role. Turks from Turkey dont look Central Asian, but they are accepted as Turks..turks from west look european, from east Middle eastern... allmost every nation is mixed
but I truly believe that our ancestors were of Turkic origins. and as you know turks played a major role in our History, we cant just forget that because of some DNA samples that show a different result.
I agree on what Baku87 said.

[hanim]

The land of modern Azerbaijan has alway been motherland for many peoples of Caucasian, Iranian and Turkic origins. Some villages and regions are of persian, some of Caucasian, some of Turkic origin, so the ethnic picture is quite mozaic. Strabo, a historian, noticed in his work about Caicasian Albania that there were 26 tribes on this land speaking different languages. So, their descendants still live on this land. But modern Azeris speak Azeri Turkic because of the strong influence of Turkic tribes, especially after 10 century.

p.s. Diri, nice pic, just noticed.

[Dîrî]

The land of modern Azerbaijan has alway been motherland for many peoples of Caucasian, Iranian and Turkic origins. Some villages and regions are of persian, some of Caucasian, some of Turkic origin, so the ethnic picture is quite mozaic. Strabo, a historian, noticed in his work about Caicasian Albania that there were 26 tribes on this land speaking different languages. So, their descendants still live on this land. But modern Azeris speak Azeri Turkic because of the strong influence of Turkic tribes, especially after 10 century.

p.s. Diri, nice pic, just noticed.

That is what I have been saying all along... Ethnicity of MOST nations is very mixed. With elements of their neighbours - like inter-marriages into their community... Then the minority assimilates into the majority...

Azeris are basically made up of three elements; Turkic, Aryan and Caucasian...

But what we won't agree on is the border between East Kurdistan and South Azerbaycan... We need a referendum to show this - people voting to be part of East Kurdistan or South Azerbaycan... That should solve the problem... And I am tired of the endless haggle over Ûrmiye... (I bet it is majority Kurdish! )

Thank you for the compliment...

[Azertos]

I bet it is majority Kurdish!

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[Dîrî]

I bet it is majority Kurdish!

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not

[hanim]

diri,
I often listen to the new Azeri channel which is just 1 month old and which was opned by iranian Azeris (you can see the link below) and there are lots of Azeris from Urmiya that phone on the channel. (btw, now Azeri girls are playing tar and singing)

[Dîrî]

diri,
I often listen to the new Azeri channel which is just 1 month old and which was opned by iranian Azeris (you can see the link below) and there are lots of Azeris from Urmiya that phone on the channel.

I know... I already watched it! I like it - it's a nice channel! Long live...

We will see when a referandum is held...

[Iranian]

Let me guess Tigris the whole world of Iranic stock?

[Tigris]

I dont know what you mean by iranian. Iran is a geographic name. I am hope you don't understand the iranians as persians only.

Kurds, azeris, persians are iranian people. Iran is a geographic name,
not a race name.
Azeri people used to speak azeri pahlavi before the 10the century.

Pahlavi is an iranian language, but it is not persian.

If I were an azeri I would try to learn azeri pahlavi. Turkish is not your language.

[Sal-Ah-uddin]

Tigris if their not turks, then how come they can communicate with Turks in Turkey, with their mother tongue?

[Tigris]

because Turkish language was exposed on azeris on the 10-11 centuries when turks were controlling azerbaycan.

Before 10-11 centruries they were speaking azeri pahlavi language.
Old azeris poets have written poems in azeri pahlavi. But they are still a lot of pahlavi words in azeri turkish today.

[kurdistani]

I bet it is majority Kurdish!

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not

Here come Kirkuk number 2!

[Baku87]

I bet it is majority Kurdish!

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Here come Kirkuk number 2!

Last week we had a discussion about the majority of Urmia and everybody expect diri agreed that Azeri are the majority, so I think thats been solved

[Dîrî]

I bet it is majority Kurdish!

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not

Here come Kirkuk number 2!

Last week we had a discussion about the majority of Urmia and everybody expect diri agreed that Azeri are the majority, so I think thats been solved